Ryan! Does anyone know a Ryan? John Ryan 82d Airborne?

[Ryan W]

Your argument hinges on all else being equal. 
Unfortunately, All-Star voting doesn't work like that.
 Big Al will get to the All-Star game, with the
numbers he's currently putting up (and I believe they
will get even bigger, say 25 and 13, when he matures
fully in the next couple seasons), when the C's are a
good team.  It doesn't matter who's in front of him,
it's who's in front of the C's.

(the only) Ryan

--- ryanmnelson at verizon.net wrote:

> Just to be clear, part of my reasoning for Al never
> being an all-star is the competition for those spots
> which includes Oden, Durant, etc..  I have detailed
> the players Al has to beat out for the slot likely
> vacated by caron butler next year and those up for
> it include paul pierce, andre igoudala, potentially
> kevin durant, michael redd, blah blah blah.
> 
> I have never said al is not going to be a good
> player, but he is no all-star.
> 
> rmn
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Ryan, Patrick S Maj RES USAFR 439 MSG"
> <Patrick.Ryan at westover.af.mil>
> >Date: 2007/04/03 Tue AM 09:58:15 CDT
> >To: celtics at igtc.com
> >Subject: Ryan! Does anyone know a Ryan? John Ryan
> 82d Airborne?
> 
> >This post made me laugh. Gene, you have your eyes
> on that oft quoted but
> >hardly ever seen "big picture" don't you? That's
> like the definition of
> >message board irony. Just to be clear it's Ryan
> Nelson's contention Al will
> >never be an All-Star, Patrick Ryan (that would be
> me) thinks he'll make a
> >couple at least. Too many Ryans of all types and
> sizes round here.
> >
> > 
> >
> >Cutting to the root of the issue I think that's why
> I'm a much bigger
> >football fan then basketball fan (although I'm a
> heckuva lot better at
> >playing basketball then football).  Football, with
> its eleven men per side,
> >is so much more a team game to me (I'm comparing
> pro level to pro level
> >here) then the NBA and I think the results bear out
> that fact wherein a team
> >can have only one or two all-pros and be a champion
> while in the NBA
> >invariably you absolutely must have at least one if
> not two All-pros on your
> >team to even sniff the championship. And given the
> smaller sample size (15
> >men per roster vs 53) while it might seem that each
> team would have those
> >requisite all-pros it just doesn't seem that the
> talent level is there to
> >bear that out.
> >
> > 
> >
> >The terms "workmanlike", "lunchpail", "glue guys" -
> on NBA teams they are
> >the smallest of role players, while in the NFL
> they're often taking 100% of
> >the snaps, on the field every minute. It's that
> aspect - that the hard
> >working, not as athletically gifted players make
> such an impact, that draws
> >me just the little bit more to the NFL because in
> the NBA those guys are
> >pretty much marginalized. 
> >
> > 
> >
> >When we wrote yesterday about the "storied past" of
> the franchise - I was
> >reminded of this specifically because the legend is
> that Auerbach always won
> >without the "best" players - he made my argument
> above poppycock.  I don't
> >disagree - I think the game in the 40s, 50s and 60s
> WAS different. Those
> >role players were not marginalized and the game
> itself was taught
> >differently from pee-wee league through college and
> into the pros. I still
> >believe if given three years and teaching nothing
> but pure fundamentals to a
> >team of "average" NBA players that such team could
> challenge for a
> >championship, but with guaranteed contracts, power
> entirely in the player's
> >hands, and a "star" atmosphere from Stern's office
> all the way down to the
> >referees such a revolution (going BACK to
> Auerbach's teachings) would never
> >happen.
> >
> > 
> >
> >I got off on too many tangents here, sorry about
> that.  Anyway Gene - I too
> >hope that if Al doesn't make an All-star team it's
> because we have so many
> >All-stars that the league has to cut one or two so
> other teams have a
> >representative for the game.
> >
> > 
> >
> >----------------------------
> >
> >Hey, what if, I wondered last night, the Celtics
> got lucky and drafted Oden
> >and he overshadowed big Al and we won championships
> but Al's numbers were
> >shared with the big guy and Al never got to be an
> all-star and you were
> >right and I was wrong, would I be happy?  Yes. 
> That's a scenario I would
> >love.  Cheers, Gene
> >
> > 
> >
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