An opposing team's scout sizes up the Celtics
ryan nelson
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Fri Oct 20 21:15:43 CDT 2006
But he is only shooting 25% at rappers.
rmn
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From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: An opposing team's scout sizes up the Celtics
I'm willing to give Telfair a little rope ... he did shoot a respectable
35 percent on threes last year.
Steve O
Berry, Mark S wrote:
>Rondo has a better chance. He was a high-percentage shooter at Kentucky
>also. But that's only because he doesn't take many jumpers. He gets
most
>of his shots in the lane. I expect that to continue.
>
>I'm a lot less confident with Telfair. He wasn't a good shooter at all
>in Portland, so it's going to take more than a few preseason games to
>convince me he's suddenly a shooter.
>
>I'll be shocked if either of them turn out to be good three-point
>shooters. That's fine, as long as they're not out there together. But
>they will be.
>
>Mark
>
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>From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>Behalf Of Jeff White
>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:17 PM
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>
>I realize it's still early, but through five preseason games, Rondo is
>shooting 50 percent from the floor, including 42.9 percent from 3-point
>range. Telfair is 54.1 percent overall and 4 for 6 from long range.
>
>For two guys who supposedly can't shoot, they're doing OK. Let's hope
>it
>continues.
>
>
>JPW
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG>
>To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:28 PM
>Subject: RE: An opposing team's scout sizes up the Celtics
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>>Other than feeling there's more upside to a couple of the young guys,
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>I
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>>think this is pretty accurate.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>>Behalf Of BDodgers at aol.com
>>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:18 PM
>>To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: An opposing team's scout sizes up the Celtics
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>>Boston Celtics
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>>An opposing team's scout sizes up the Celtics
>>You would say they have some nice young pieces only -- only -- if they
>>would
>>commit themselves on the defensive side of the ball. If they go at
>>
>>
>this
>
>
>>season
>>from a defensive posture, they're going to surprise some people and
>>contend
>>for the number 7 or 8 spot in the East. But do I think that's going to
>>happen?
>>No ...
>>Doc Rivers' track record is that he's an offensive coach. He's very,
>>very
>>good at that end of the court -- they do good fundamental things with
>>their slice
>>cut and running that 1-4 set and X'ing off the high post -- and
>>statistically
>>the Celtics were top 10 offensively last year. They're already good in
>>that
>>area, and the facts are that playing that way got them only 33 wins
>>
>>
>last
>
>
>>year.
>>If they think they're going to win by outscoring and outrunning
>>
>>
>people,
>
>
>>then
>>that will be the death of them ...
>>If they fail to base their team on defense, then structurally their
>>roster
>>doesn't make any sense. They've got two young, small point guards in
>>Sebastian
>>Telfair and Rajon Rondo who can't shoot a lick, which means that
>>defenses will
>>ignore them in the halfcourt. So are they planning to run all night
>>
>>
>with
>
>
>>Wally
>>Sczcerbiak and Paul Pierce on the wings? I don't see that combination
>>keeping
>>opposing coaches up at night. First of all, I have doubts about their
>>rebounding, which may hurt their ability to get out in transition. I
>>would also
>>question whether Pierce really wants to run a lot; I would think he
>>wants to
>>conserve himself a bit in order to stay on the floor. I also think
>>Pierce is going
>>to be frustrated with Telfair because he isn't a pass-first point
>>
>>
>guard
>
>
>>--
>>Telfair's game is to get to the lane and if he can't score, then he
>>dishes it out.
>>The problem in the halfcourt is that defenses are going to play
>>
>>
>Telfair
>
>
>>one
>>on one until he proves that he's capable of finishing in the lane, so
>>it's not
>>like he's going to force the defense to collapse and instantly create
>>open
>>shots for Pierce ...
>>If they're serious about going uptempo then they'll probably hope to
>>develop
>>Gerald Green as the other wing alongside Pierce, which could make
>>Sczcerbiak
>>expendable. The word is that his knee has improved since last season,
>>but even
>>then he's still going to be the weak link defensively ...
>>They're putting way too much faith in young guys like Al Jefferson,
>>Gerald
>>Green, Kendrick Perkins and Delonte West. The latter two are career
>>backups if
>>you have a good team. Green may turn out to be a starter, but I don't
>>see him
>>as a future All-Star. They were too soft on Jefferson after he
>>
>>
>sprained
>
>
>>his
>>ankle last year; the danger is that he'll start to believe that he's
>>
>>
>one
>
>
>>of those
>>special young projects that the franchise doesn't want to put at risk.
>>He
>>needs to overcome his inability to play with some pain, which is a
>>
>>
>huge
>
>
>>detriment
>>for a big man. He has a shot at becoming good because his skills in
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>low-post are so lacking throughout the NBA, which makes him
>>
>>
>potentially
>
>
>>rare and
>>valuable. In the meantime it's going to take him years to learn to
>>dedicate
>>himself to improving his defense and rebounding enough to complement
>>
>>
>his
>
>
>>low-post
>>game ...
>>Ryan Gomes had a nice rookie year, but as a 'tweener he should be the
>>eighth
>>man in your rotation. If you play him more than 20 minutes he'll
>>
>>
>really
>
>
>>struggle against the quicker 3 men, and he'll be overpowered by the
>>bigger 4s. But
>>he's another guy that's good to have coming off your bench ...
>>I will never understand how they could invest a five-year contract in
>>Brian
>>Scalabrine ...
>>I think nobody will be surprised if they try to trade Tony Allen. Not
>>only is
>>he coming off knee surgery but he also had legal troubles a year ago
>>
>>
>...
>
>
>>If they struggle this year, how is Pierce going to react? Over the
>>
>>
>years
>
>
>>he's
>>seen the Celtics make a bunch of changes that haven't worked out, so
>>
>>
>is
>
>
>>he
>>going to pull a Jason Kidd and talk about being traded to a winner
>>
>>
>while
>
>
>>he's
>>still in his prime? Last year Pierce began to show more trust in his
>>teammates,
>>though in the fourth quarter he returned to his habit of get out of
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>way
>>and give me the ball -- which was totally understandable considering
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>youth
>>of his teammates. Pierce is one of the top 10 players in the league at
>>creating
>>his own opportunities because when he attacks the basket he has
>>tremendous
>>body control athletically and his focus on finishing is at the highest
>>level ...
>>Their failed attempts to trade for Allen Iverson last summer showed me
>>that
>>the Celtics are panicking. As a duo I don't think they would have been
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>>disaster because they both want to win so badly. From the management
>>side it was a
>>very revealing play: This was a franchise that used to focus on
>>championships,
>>but they had to know that Iverson wasn't going to win any banners for
>>them --
>>they obviously wanted him to help sell tickets and create buzz and
>>
>>
>make
>
>
>>them
>>relevant again. So it demonstrated that their longterm plan isn't
>>working and
>>they were desperate to create some enthusiasm for their organization
>>
>>
>...
>
>
>>I go back to their decision to trade Antoine Walker three years ago.
>>
>>
>If
>
>
>>they'd kept Walker and Pierce together, they could have continued to
>>make the
>>playoffs while acquiring the same kinds of young players they have now
>>because they
>>were all mid-to-late draft picks ...
>>I don't know what the vision is. When they weren't trying to get
>>Iverson, the
>>Celtics were making moves and draft picks that left them younger than
>>last
>>year. If they struggle, it wouldn't surprise me to see a coaching
>>
>>
>change
>
>
>>before
>>the end of the season, especially with Doc making it clear throughout
>>last
>>year that he misses being with his family in Florida. The question
>>
>>
>then
>
>
>>will be
>>whether executive director Danny Ainge takes over the bench, though
>>everyone
>>knows he doesn't want to go back to coaching.
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