Ideas
Berry, Mark S
berrym at BATTELLE.ORG
Fri Jun 23 10:42:03 CDT 2006
If you add up all these rumors, including Ford's latest -- the agent for
Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge said they skipped workouts in
Charlotte because he already knows (and likes) where they'll be drafted
-- then I'm even more confused. Throw in the fact that Danny apparently
said on the radio that Aldridge could go 1 or 4, but won't go 2, 3, 5 or
6, and here are three scenarios:
1. Toronto -- Bargnani
2. Chicago -- Thomas
3. Charlotte -- Morrison (Toronto and Charlotte could switch positions
here, but the outcome would be the same)
4. Portland -- Aldridge
5. Atlanta -- S. Williams
6. Minny -- Roy
7. Boston -- Gay
Or ...
1. Toronto -- Bargnani
2. Chicago -- Roy
3. Charlotte -- Morrison
4. Portland -- Aldridge
5. Atlanta -- S. Williams
6. Minny -- Thomas
7. Boston -- Gay
Or ...
1. Toronto -- Bargnani
2. Chicago -- Thomas
3. Charlotte -- Morrison
4. Portland -- Roy
5. Atlanta -- S. Williams
6. Minny -- Gay
7. Boston -- Aldridge
So I see the Celtics ending up with Gay or Aldridge, assuming they stick
to the consensus top six. However, if they're not sold on either of
those guys (and I'm not sold on either of them myself), I could see them
trading down or out of the spot -- either name, especially Aldridge,
probably would carry quite a bit of value.
In other words, I don't have a freakin' clue what is going to happen.
Mark
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Subject: Ideas
In reading all the recent prognostication, barring any significant trade
activity, if Shelden Williams gos to ATL it appears at 6-7 teams could
be looking at Gay & Aldridge
If this happens would you consider packaging #7, Lafrentz, Allen, &
Jefferson and a #1 for KG and a player or two? Mchale might not be able
to deal KG to the C's, but if the package is right?
CHAD FORD: It appears that Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy and the No. 9
pick are the assets
they're looking to move. However, considering the big contracts of
Dunleavy
and Murphy, they may have to include a young prospect like Andris
Biedrins or
Mickael Pietrus. One rumored deal has the Warriors trading Dunleavy,
Murphy and the No. 9 pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Aaron McKie.
Another has the Warriors sending Pietrus, Murphy and the No. 9 to the
Bulls
for Tyson Chandler and the No. 16.
John:GS and Baron would be very interested in getting Pierce. I really
think we could try to get Richardson, Murphy & one of Pietrus ,
Biedrins, or #10
End results
GS adds Pierce and maybe Dickau or Scalabrine or greene
Boston Adds
Richardson, Murphy, & Pietrus, Biedrins or 2 of the following through
the draft with #7 & 10
Gay, Aldridge, either or both Willams', Rondo, Redick, Foye,
Rodriquez, O'bryant
Its hard to argue this one. Richardson averaged 23 a game last year,
Murphy 14/10, If we added Murphy to the inside, Richardson pretty much a
wash with Pierce, then were able to an add a point(Rondo quick &
defensive or Rodriquez) and perimeter help(Foye, Redick) or a 3 (Gay) or
an additional interior presence(Aldridge, O'bryant, Williams, Simmons)
we should be all over this
I love Paul, but this would be a tremendous upgrade and GS has a lot
to trade.
It also gets Paul out of the East.
BDodgers at aol.com wrote:
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With less than a week to go before the June 28 NBA draft, very few teams
are
on solid footing. Not only are most teams uncertain about who will be
available when they make their pick, but also there is a major factor
that is
simply impossible for them to calculate accurately -- the trades that
most think
are coming.
Here's a take on the top prospects from an NBA team executive drafting
in
the high lottery.
"There are warts everywhere," he said. "Do you take a risk and go with
upside or do you take a player who's going to be solid? Usually when
you're
drafting this high, you get a little of both. This year is different. I
think
there's one star, Adam Morrison. But he may not be the best player in
the draft. I
think this has led to all of the trade talk."
This "trade talk" is what could, more than anything else, upset
everyone's
expectations about how the draft will play out. After all, when you
don't even
know which teams are making the picks, how can you figure out who
they're
taking?
To try to sort things out, Insider has its ear to the ground, listening
for
trade rumblings. Here's what we're hearing about potential deals
affecting
the draft:
Toronto Raptors
Since the regular season ended, two small trades have gone down in the
NBA,
both involving the Raptors. Toronto sent Rafael Araujo to the Jazz for
Kris
Humphries and Robert Whaley. Then, on Wednesday, they sent Eric Williams
and
Matt Bonner to the Spurs for Rasho Nesterovic.
But just about everyone believes that another big trade is in the works,
involving either the No. 1 pick or Charlie Villanueva.
So far, a number of rumors have popped up, involving Jermaine O'Neal,
Samuel
Dalembert, Jamaal Magloire and Brevin Knight. So far, all of them have
been
bogus.
Over the past few days, GM Bryan Colangelo has shot holes through all
the
scenarios. O'Neal would hurt their cap flexibility. Dalembert is
overpaid.
Magloire isn't worth the No. 1 pick. Knight isn't enough to motivate a
swap of
the No. 1 pick for Charlotte's No. 3 pick.
Colangelo reiterated on Wednesday that it would have to be _something
"much
bigger"_
(http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad#20060621)
to move the pick at this point.
That probably shoots holes in some other trade scenarios currently out
there.
The most popular has the Portland Trail Blazers packaging No. 4 and No.
30
along with Travis Outlaw or one of their young point guards to get up to
No.
1. The deal would allow the Raptors to pick up a few extra assets and
still be
in a position to take Andrea Bargnani at No. 4. However, the word is
that
the Raptors aren't interested and that the Blazers are unwilling to
sweeten the
pot. They want Adam Morrison badly but apparently won't mortgage the
franchise for a guy who could very well be there when they pick at No.
4.
The Houston Rockets have also tried to move up to get the No. 1 pick but
just don't have the assets. Ditto for the Memphis Grizzlies. They'd be
willing
to offer just about anyone on their roster for No. 1 with the exception
of Pau
Gasol -- who is the only guy the Raptors would consider.
At this point, it appears the Raptors are leaning toward keeping the
pick.
But they're probably not done trading. Look for them to work a
sign-and-trade
deal to move Mike James this summer.
____________________________________
Chicago Bulls
Things have been pretty quiet in Chicago. Almost too quiet. The Bulls
have
more moveable assets than anyone else in the NBA at the moment. They
have two
very desirable first-round picks (No. 2 and No. 16), lots of young
players
with tradable contracts and a plenty of cap room this summer.
So are they going to make a deal?
A rumor that was floated last week had them talking with the Los Angeles
Lakers about a deal that would send Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum to
Chicago for
Tyson Chandler and the No. 2 pick.
On Wednesday, a source said the Bulls might be considering trading the
No. 2
pick and Chandler to the Phoenix Suns for Shawn Marion. With the pick,
the
Suns would select Tyrus Thomas. The move would help the Suns get the
their
salary-cap situation under control and allow them to re-sign Boris Diaw
and
Leandro Barbosa next summer.
More likely, the Bulls are keeping the pick and deciding between Thomas
and
Brandon Roy. A source in Chicago reiterated to Insider on Wednesday that
they
hadn't promised to draft Thomas and were still trying to decide which
way to
go.
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Charlotte Bobcats
GM Bernie Bickerstaff has been active in trying to trade up or down in
the
draft.
The recently rumored swap that would send Brevin Knight and the No. 3
pick
to Toronto for Alvin Williams and the No. 1 was shot down by Colangelo
on
Wednesday.
It's still unclear, however, what the Bobcats want to accomplish. With
Michael Jordan in a decision-making role, will they dump their strategy
of
building slowly through the draft and opt for a more aggressive approach
that brings
in veterans?
At this point, the Bobcats look more and more likely to stay at No. 3.
They
are zeroing in on Roy, who's likely to be available when they pick.
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Portland Trail Blazers
The Blazers might be happy at No. 4, but they'd be happier if they could
move up to No. 1. Adam Morrison is the top guy on their draft board not
only
because of his talent but also because of his popularity in Portland.
The Blazers have created a huge gulf between the team and their fans,
and
drafting Morrison would definitely help bridge it. And their dream
scenario is
to find a way to get both Morrison and Brandon Roy. The Blazers have to
do
something to change their local image and their locker-room culture, and
adding
Morrison and/or Roy would be a huge step.
The problem is that the Blazers appear unwilling to give up the two guys
most teams are interested in, Martell Webster and Jarrett Jack.
Instead, they are hoping that a combination of a young player plus No.
4,
No. 30 and/or No. 31 will be enough. They have been shopping Zach
Randolph,
Darius Miles and Theo Ratliff, and they're willing to move some other
players,
as well.
I'm not so sure any of that will help the Blazers get Toronto's No. 1
pick.
Whatever interest the Raptors might have in Travis Outlaw and Sebastian
Telfair does not appear to be strong enough for the Raptors to give up
the top
pick, even with the Blazers' picks in the deal.
Look for the Blazers to get more suitors this summer when Joel Przybilla
can
be had via sign-and-trade.
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Atlanta Hawks
Besides the Raptors, the Hawks have the most rumors swirling around
them.
The hottest talk is that they promised to pick Shelden Williams. But, if
so,
when? Was it with the No. 5 pick? Or did they know they were trading
down
and wanted to try to improve their chances to get him in the lottery?
Or is it another team that has promised Williams and is ready to move up
to
No. 5 to get him?
One candidate might be the Philadelphia 76ers. The Hawks have interest
in
Allen Iverson, and the Sixers have interest in moving him. Sixers GM
Billy King
is a big fan of Williams and needs a young player to eventually replace
the
aging Chris Webber. Would the No. 5 pick and Al Harrington (via
sign-and-trade) be enough for the Sixers to part with Iverson?
Another team could be the Seattle SuperSonics, who might be willing to
offer
Nick Collison and the No. 10 to Atlanta for the No. 5. The Sonics are
also
high on Williams, especially after losing their best rebounder, Reggie
Evans,
in February. With that pick the Hawks could get another forward and then
take
a point guard or combo guard -- UConn's Marcus Williams, Kentucky's
Rajon
Rondo or Villanova's Randy Foye -- at No. 10.
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Minnesota Timberwolves
The Wolves have what it takes to get the No. 1 pick in the draft. All
they
have to do is say that Kevin Garnett is yours, and they get No. 1. But
team
president Kevin McHale says he's not trading Garnett and that no one at
the top
of the draft is worth Garnett.
However ... if the Raptors were to throw Charlie Villanueva into the
deal
and perhaps Mike James in a sign-and-trade, it might get more
interesting.
The Wolves can get better offers, though. The Bulls and Warriors both
have
more assets than Toronto, if the Wolves want to deal. Right now it
appears
that they don't.
More likely, the team moves Marko Jaric and perhaps Ricky Davis to the
Nuggets for Kenyon Martin.
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Boston Celtics
The team doesn't have an acute need for the No. 7 pick, because it's
unlikely the Celts can draft anyone there who can help immediately.
Rather, they
need veterans in the backcourt and in the middle who can help Paul
Pierce and
Wally Szczerbiak now.
But unless the Celtics can get a future pick (2007 first-round picks are
highly valued right now), it appears unlikely Boston will trade its
pick.
The alternative is trading Pierce, and the Celtics say they're not doing
that.
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Houston Rockets
The Rockets have made attempts to move up in the draft. Morrison, with a
healthy Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming, would help make the Rockets instant
contenders.
The problem is that, since the McGrady trade, the Rockets have had few
assets to offer in a trade. Stromile Swift and Luther Head are
possibilities, but
neither player's trade value is that high at the moment.
More likely, the Rockets will try to trade down or out of the draft in
exchange for a veteran. The Rockets are in win-now mode. With the
exception of
J.J. Redick, it's unclear anyone on the board can help them at No. 8.
____________________________________
Golden State Warriors
They are one of the most active teams in trade talks at the moment. The
team
they put together didn't gel, and the Warriors need to make some serious
changes.
It appears that Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy and the No. 9 pick are the
assets
they're looking to move. However, considering the big contracts of
Dunleavy
and Murphy, they may have to include a young prospect like Andris
Biedrins or
Mickael Pietrus.
One rumored deal has the Warriors trading Dunleavy, Murphy and the No. 9
pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Aaron McKie.
Another has the Warriors sending Pietrus, Murphy and the No. 9 to the
Bulls
for Tyson Chandler and the No. 16.
Utah could be another trading partner. A deal that would send Pietrus
and
Murphy to Utah for Carlos Boozer has been rumored since February.
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Orlando Magic
Orlando has been trying to move up in the draft to get Brandon Roy. But
it
appears the Magic need to convince a team to take a combo of Hedo
Turkoglu and
the No. 11 pick, and they've been striking out.
Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson and Darko Milicic are untouchable right
now.
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New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets
The Hornets have been trying to pair their two picks (No. 12 and No.
15),
along with J. R. Smith, to move up high in the draft. There was
speculation
that Charlotte (No. 3) might be the trade partner, but that has been
shot down
by the Bobcats.
Another possibility might be the Rockets' No. 8 pick, though that offer
sounds a little high just to move up a few spots. But the move could get
them
Patrick O'Bryant, the big man they're after. The Rockets need assets
right now
and might be willing to throw in Stromile Swift to make a deal.
____________________________________
Philadelphia 76ers
We expect them to be among the most active teams this summer. Iverson is
finally on the block. So are Chris Webber and Samuel Dalembert. The
problem is
that all three have terrible contracts, making it difficult for Billy
King to
do a good deal with anyone other than the Knicks.
A deal with Atlanta might be a possibility for Iverson. San Antonio has
some
interest in Samuel Dalembert. Moving Webber? Good luck.
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Utah Jazz
The Jazz have been trying to package Boozer in a trade that gets them up
into the top 10, with the goal of getting Brandon Roy or Randy Foye. But
no
one's biting.
One possibility might to be to package a future first-round pick (their
own
or the Knicks' future pick owned by the Jazz) in a trade for Seattle's
No. 10
pick. The word is that the Sonics are trying to keep costs under control
right now so they can sign Chris Wilcox. Still, it's unclear whether
Foye would
be on the board at No. 10.
Other interesting trade scenarios have cropped up for the Jazz. In
particular, the Warriors, Lakers and Bucks have shown interest in
Boozer.
The Bucks might be willing to part with Jamaal Magloire and Mo Williams
in
return for Boozer. That would be an intriguing deal for the Jazz, who
could
address their needs in the frontcourt and the backcourt in one fell
swoop.
The Lakers deal probably would have to be a three-way trade: Boozer and
the
No. 14 going to L.A., with Odom ending up at another destination. Odom
wouldn't be a great fit for Utah, but he could be the player to get them
the
two-guard they want.
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Indiana Pacers
The Pacers are unhappy with how their team responded last season and
have
had conversations about blowing it up. That means Jermaine O'Neal, for
the
first time in his Pacers career, is not untouchable.
While rumors of a swap with the Raptors appear bogus, at least two teams
might be willing to give the Pacers what they want for O'Neal: a high
draft
pick, a young prospect and salary-cap room for the summer of 2007.
The Bulls have a number of ways to make that scenario work. For
instance,
they could trade the No. 2 and Ben Gordon or Luol Deng for O'Neal,
because they
are under the salary cap.
The Hawks could offer a similar deal: the No. 5, Marvin Williams or Josh
Smith and Zaza Pachulia for O'Neal.
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Denver Nuggets
The Nuggets are interested in trading Kenyon Martin (to the Knicks or
Timberwolves) and Andre Miller (to the Celtics) to clear cap space or
move up in
the draft.
There also has been talk of Marcus Camby going to the Bulls in exchange
for
Tyson Chandler and the No. 16.
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Miami Heat
The Heat are trying to use Dorell Wright to move up in the draft to get
their hands on a Pat Riley favorite -- Guillermo Diaz.
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Phoenix Suns
The Suns have been trying to package the No. 21 and No. 27 picks to move
up.
Their target is presumably a big man like Mouhamed Saer Sene or Hilton
Armstrong, though Rajon Rondo and Sergio Rodriguez are also high on
their list.
The Suns are willing to do a bigger deal if they can get into the top
three.
Leandro Barbosa can be had. The Suns love him but aren't sure they can
afford to re-sign him next summer. Shawn Marion is a long shot -- a team
would
have to offer a great player and a high pick to get him.
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New Jersey Nets
The Nets would love to be able to package the No. 22 and No. 23 picks to
move up and get an athletic big man.
Another option would be to package Antoine Wright and Zoran Planinic
with
one of their picks to move up.
As for the rumors that Richard Jefferson is on the block, I'm told
they're
bogus.
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New York Knicks
Knicks president (and new coach) Isiah Thomas had just about everyone on
the
trading block along with the No. 20 and No. 29 picks.
However, unless Channing Frye is included in the deal (he won't be,
according to a Knicks source), they probably won't be moving up
significantly in the
draft.
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Memphis Grizzlies
After another first-round playoff exit, the Grizzlies are back at the
drawing board. They desperately need a point guard and are still
paper-thin in the
middle.
I've heard that just about anyone on the roster, other than Pau Gasol,
is
available.
The Grizzlies have been trying to move up to get Adam Morrison. While he
doesn't currently fit a need, maybe Jerry West has something else going
on.
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Los Angeles Lakers
The Lakers have been shopping Andrew Bynum and Chris Mihm. Lamar Odom
can be
had, too, but the price is significantly higher.
Their target in the draft? Brandon Roy.
_Chad Ford_
(http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/writeback?name=Chad+Ford)
covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
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