Walker vs. Pierce's future

[Berry, Mark S]

And that may be the most compelling reason to trade Pierce. There's a
steep drop from the true difference-makers, partly due to talent and
partly due to the position they play. Is building around a swingman --
even one as good as Pierce -- doomed to fail?

On a semi-related subject, Andy Katz quotes Adam Morrison's agent saying
about five teams, including the Celtics, would love to get their hands
on Morrison. So I ask you ... would anyone consider trading Pierce and 7
for Villanueva and 1? Charlie V. gives you that long, athletic, skilled
PF we've been lacking, and Morrison would replace some of what Pierce
gave you. I think it would necessitate a Wally trade at some point, but
that's probably coming anyway.  Toronto would get a legitimate 3 to team
with Bosh, and could pick up Marcus Williams to be their point guard.

I'd probably try to get something else out of it, but that's a deal I
would consider. I like Villanueva that much. I think he has a chance to
be better than Bosh.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
Behalf Of Sean Giovanello
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:46 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Walker vs. Pierce's future

I just dont see it.  Also, Dirk is light years ahead of Pierce due to
his
position and his overall game.

If you made up a list of the best players in the league these guys would
likely all be ahead of Pierce.  Dirk is an AllNBA first or second teamer
year in and year out.  Pierce is a borderline 3rd teamer at a position
that
is pretty easily filled in the NBA.

If a comp for Dirk is Duncan and you assume the Celts would be serious
title
contenders with either one, then what does that say about Pierce?



On 6/16/06, gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Wrong comparisons.  Pierce and Nowitski.  Perk and Dampier or Diop.
Raef
> and Griffin (who start) or Al and Howard.  Wally and Delonte vs. Terry
and
> Harris.  I concede only at the point guard position.  Stackhouse and
Gomes
> or Allen; yeah, they're ahead there but not by much.  We're not that
bad
> talentwise; teamwise is another thing, but much more quickly fixed.
Gene
>
> Sean Giovanello <giovanello at gmail.com> wrote:  Whoah. Comparable to
the
> Mavs?
>
> Ownership willing to spend? No check.
>
> Dirk and KVH versus Raef or AJ or Gomes? No check.
>
> Dampier and Diop versus Perk and Jones? No check (and I love Perk).
>
> Josh Howard and Paul Pierce? Check, but not so big as some people
might
> believe.
>
> Marquis Daniels and Stackhouse versus Wally and Tony Allen? No check.
>
> Jason Terry versus Delonte? No check.
>
> Avery Johnson versus Doc Rivers? No check.
>
> The Celtics are a BAD NBA team. The Mavs have been a playoff team for
> years
> and we are witnessing them making the leap from contender to likely
> champion. They have an MVP candidate in Dirk, a collection of former
> all-stars as role players (KVH and Stack), young talent that plays
like
> veterants (Howard and Daniels), and one guy who is earning himself an
> enourmous payday (Terry). Their reclamation projects (Dampier and
Diop)
> are
> working out while Raef rots in front of us.
>
> If you think we are the Mavs but just missing a coach and a year or so
on
> the young players til we become title town again, you are going to be
> bitterly and I mean bitterly disappointed.
>
> This team has far more in common with the Bucks, the Supersonics, the
> Grizzlies etc than the Mavs. Heh, we are closer to the Torontos than
the
> Mav's of the league.
>
> On 6/16/06, gene kirkpatrick wrote:
> >
> > Ravi, as always good insights. On the teams mentioned, I think of
Dallas
> > as blossoming ahead of schedule. While some of their recent
acquisitions
> > were lottery picks, they were floundering--Van Horn, Diop,
> > Terry. Stackhouse is different; I see him as a difference maker,
even
> > though his stock was no longer loterry level. San Antonio had the
good
> > fortune of zooming to prominence with the one key player. My term
> "piecing
> > together" was inexact, since all teams are developed piecemeal, even
> those
> > who draft most of their players get some of the picks through
trades, as
> we
> > have. Still, I see Miami as unique in creating a team for a short,
quick
> > run at a title. That's ok, if management and fans want short-term
> > results. But I think of the Shaq deal as a two, maybe three year
deal
> > (pieced together) rather than team building for a consistent
> > contender. That's the distinction I was after. In that context, I
think
> > Pierce's future is better than Walker's, even though Antoine has
> > the shot at a title.
> > I would welcome your ideas on the Miami model, what I should call
the
> > "limited window" model perhaps. I'm not opposed to adding in
difference
> > makers, be they a Stackhouse or a Griffin, but I'm wary of it at the
> expense
> > of consistent contending (which I think the Shaq deal was).
> >
> > On the players, I really think we're comparable to the Mavs. Their
edge
> > is in becoming a defensive team. We have as much defensive abilities
but
> > have not created a cohesive unit. Player for player, I think we
stack up
> > well (though we're a bit younger); we just haven't blossomed and
that's
> > more, I think, due to coaching than players.
> >
> > Can't believe the Heat resurgence I'm seeing. My son is in town and
> > telling me they will win; I can't believe it, but we'll see. Gene
> >
> >
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