Walker vs. Pierce's future

[Sean Giovanello]

I just dont see it.  Also, Dirk is light years ahead of Pierce due to his
position and his overall game.

If you made up a list of the best players in the league these guys would
likely all be ahead of Pierce.  Dirk is an AllNBA first or second teamer
year in and year out.  Pierce is a borderline 3rd teamer at a position that
is pretty easily filled in the NBA.

If a comp for Dirk is Duncan and you assume the Celts would be serious title
contenders with either one, then what does that say about Pierce?



On 6/16/06, gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Wrong comparisons.  Pierce and Nowitski.  Perk and Dampier or Diop.  Raef
> and Griffin (who start) or Al and Howard.  Wally and Delonte vs. Terry and
> Harris.  I concede only at the point guard position.  Stackhouse and Gomes
> or Allen; yeah, they're ahead there but not by much.  We're not that bad
> talentwise; teamwise is another thing, but much more quickly fixed.  Gene
>
> Sean Giovanello <giovanello at gmail.com> wrote:  Whoah. Comparable to the
> Mavs?
>
> Ownership willing to spend? No check.
>
> Dirk and KVH versus Raef or AJ or Gomes? No check.
>
> Dampier and Diop versus Perk and Jones? No check (and I love Perk).
>
> Josh Howard and Paul Pierce? Check, but not so big as some people might
> believe.
>
> Marquis Daniels and Stackhouse versus Wally and Tony Allen? No check.
>
> Jason Terry versus Delonte? No check.
>
> Avery Johnson versus Doc Rivers? No check.
>
> The Celtics are a BAD NBA team. The Mavs have been a playoff team for
> years
> and we are witnessing them making the leap from contender to likely
> champion. They have an MVP candidate in Dirk, a collection of former
> all-stars as role players (KVH and Stack), young talent that plays like
> veterants (Howard and Daniels), and one guy who is earning himself an
> enourmous payday (Terry). Their reclamation projects (Dampier and Diop)
> are
> working out while Raef rots in front of us.
>
> If you think we are the Mavs but just missing a coach and a year or so on
> the young players til we become title town again, you are going to be
> bitterly and I mean bitterly disappointed.
>
> This team has far more in common with the Bucks, the Supersonics, the
> Grizzlies etc than the Mavs. Heh, we are closer to the Torontos than the
> Mav's of the league.
>
> On 6/16/06, gene kirkpatrick wrote:
> >
> > Ravi, as always good insights. On the teams mentioned, I think of Dallas
> > as blossoming ahead of schedule. While some of their recent acquisitions
> > were lottery picks, they were floundering--Van Horn, Diop,
> > Terry. Stackhouse is different; I see him as a difference maker, even
> > though his stock was no longer loterry level. San Antonio had the good
> > fortune of zooming to prominence with the one key player. My term
> "piecing
> > together" was inexact, since all teams are developed piecemeal, even
> those
> > who draft most of their players get some of the picks through trades, as
> we
> > have. Still, I see Miami as unique in creating a team for a short, quick
> > run at a title. That's ok, if management and fans want short-term
> > results. But I think of the Shaq deal as a two, maybe three year deal
> > (pieced together) rather than team building for a consistent
> > contender. That's the distinction I was after. In that context, I think
> > Pierce's future is better than Walker's, even though Antoine has
> > the shot at a title.
> > I would welcome your ideas on the Miami model, what I should call the
> > "limited window" model perhaps. I'm not opposed to adding in difference
> > makers, be they a Stackhouse or a Griffin, but I'm wary of it at the
> expense
> > of consistent contending (which I think the Shaq deal was).
> >
> > On the players, I really think we're comparable to the Mavs. Their edge
> > is in becoming a defensive team. We have as much defensive abilities but
> > have not created a cohesive unit. Player for player, I think we stack up
> > well (though we're a bit younger); we just haven't blossomed and that's
> > more, I think, due to coaching than players.
> >
> > Can't believe the Heat resurgence I'm seeing. My son is in town and
> > telling me they will win; I can't believe it, but we'll see. Gene
> >
> >
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