On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.

Tue Jun 13 22:13:45 CDT 2006

Is Pierce worth it at a max contract + the extension increase?  I really do
not think so.

On 6/13/06, keltsfan <keltsfan at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I definitely understand your way of thinking on this Steve.
>
> However, I'm not a big fan of Pierce's style of game so that also plays
> into
> my thinking about the desire to trade him. Wing players that need to
> dominate the ball don't win championships unless they are exceptional
> talents and IMO Pierce is not.  I think he's good enough to make a bad
> team
> mediocre and as I've said, mediocrity is the kiss of death in the NBA.  As
> well, IMO his style of play is going to hamper the development of the
> other
> players precisely because he does need to dominate the ball.  Will we
> really
> find out if Delonte West can be an impact point guard with Pierce on the
> roster?  Can Boston truly take advantage of a pure point guard and fast
> break basketball when Pierce needs to touch the ball as much as he
> does?  I
> don't think so. I think the same thing can be said for the other positions
> on the court.
>
> But these are good points you make and there is no one way of getting it
> done.
>
> Ravi
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:00 PM
> > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.
> >
> > I don't think holding on to Pierce is merely an attempt to
> > sell tickets.
> > The guy isn't near the end of his career, he's got several
> > good years left. I guess some people think the rebuilding
> > process is going to take another five years, but I don't see
> > reason to automatically give up on the next four.. If you
> > give up Pierce for nothing but young talent, then you're
> > saying you don't think Al, Perk, Gomes, Delonte and Gerald
> > Green are going to amount to anything. On the other hand, if
> > you think some of that group will amount to something, then
> > I'd much rather see them playing with Pierce than with
> > Lamarcus Aldridge and Spanish Chocolate.
> >
> > Steve O
> >
> > keltsfan wrote:
> >
> > >Mark,
> > >
> > >I think you're overvaluing Pierce!
> > >
> > >However, I do agree Gordon is not a center piece to any
> > Pierce deal and
> > >I was not implying so.  He is however, an amazing guy to
> > bring off the
> > >bench in a sixth or seventh man role because few in the NBA
> > can explode
> > >for points as quickly.  He can take the life out of  an opposing
> > >defense in the right role.
> > >
> > >The advantage of trading Pierce now to a team like Chicago
> > is that you
> > >potentially get two picks in this draft. The first brings you top of
> > >the lottery talent (the second allows you to gamble on a Sene,
> > >Rodriguez, etc...), you don't commit huge dollars to a player that
> > >isn't likely to be as good by the time the team is ready to
> > compete at
> > >the highest level yet his cost will likely prevent a move to
> > the elite
> > >competitive level, and you put yourself in really solid
> > position to draft a star next year.
> > >
> > >How much more time is this franchise going to waste? Or is it just
> > >about having a name brand, "star" jersey and cheesy, obnoxiously loud
> > >entertainment to sell tickets.
> > >
> > >Ravi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> > >>[mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Mark Piotrowski
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:10 AM
> > >>To: celtics at igtc.com
> > >>Subject: On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Personally, I think if you can get Chicago's #2, #16, and
> > Hinrich or
> > >>>Gordon, for Pierce, that would be a great start.  As well,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>this would
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>very likely put Boston in excellent top five draft position
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>next year
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>when an outstanding crop of talent might be available at the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>top of the lottery.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Then another strong draft in 2008 and this team will have
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>completed the
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>rebuilding process and really have a chance at a developing a
> > >>>championship caliber team.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>while i agree with Ravi's general point about mediocrity i
> > seriously
> > >>doubt the C's are *looking* to trade Pierce.  Do i think
> > won't listen?
> > >>No, but there is a difference.
> > >>
> > >>I've said it before and i'll say it again, I just don't see the
> > >>fascination w/ Gordon.  Will he ever be a better player than guys
> > >>like John Starks or Jason Terry?   And while Villanueva proved lots
> > >>of folks (myself) wrong, there is no way he's a key piece
> > in a trade
> > >>for Pierce.
> > >>
> > >>If we're listening to Chicago, any deal     would have to
> > >>-- for me -- include:
> > >>
> > >>Kirk Hinrich
> > >>Luol Deng
> > >>#2 and the rights to NY's #1 next year.
> > >>
> > >>If they want teh #7, we get their #16 too.
> > >>
> > >>The #2 and Ny's #1 next year were what they got for Eddy
> > Curry --- I
> > >>won't bore anyone with an argument about how much better Pierce is
> > >>than Curry.
> > >>
> > >>If I'm the bulls though, I'd take Brandon Roy at #2, move
> > Gordon for
> > >>someone like Nene or Lamar Odom and Keep Hinrich and Deng.
> > >>
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