On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.

Tue Jun 13 19:25:14 CDT 2006

I definitely understand your way of thinking on this Steve.  

However, I'm not a big fan of Pierce's style of game so that also plays into
my thinking about the desire to trade him. Wing players that need to
dominate the ball don't win championships unless they are exceptional
talents and IMO Pierce is not.  I think he's good enough to make a bad team
mediocre and as I've said, mediocrity is the kiss of death in the NBA.  As
well, IMO his style of play is going to hamper the development of the other
players precisely because he does need to dominate the ball.  Will we really
find out if Delonte West can be an impact point guard with Pierce on the
roster?  Can Boston truly take advantage of a pure point guard and fast
break basketball when Pierce needs to touch the ball as much as he does?  I
don't think so. I think the same thing can be said for the other positions
on the court. 

But these are good points you make and there is no one way of getting it
done. 

Ravi 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com 
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:00 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.
> 
> I don't think holding on to Pierce is merely an attempt to 
> sell tickets. 
> The guy isn't near the end of his career, he's got several 
> good years left. I guess some people think the rebuilding 
> process is going to take another five years, but I don't see 
> reason to automatically give up on the next four.. If you 
> give up Pierce for nothing but young talent, then you're 
> saying you don't think Al, Perk, Gomes, Delonte and Gerald 
> Green are going to amount to anything. On the other hand, if 
> you think some of that group will amount to something, then 
> I'd much rather see them playing with Pierce than with 
> Lamarcus Aldridge and Spanish Chocolate.
> 
> Steve O
> 
> keltsfan wrote:
> 
> >Mark,
> >
> >I think you're overvaluing Pierce!
> >
> >However, I do agree Gordon is not a center piece to any 
> Pierce deal and 
> >I was not implying so.  He is however, an amazing guy to 
> bring off the 
> >bench in a sixth or seventh man role because few in the NBA 
> can explode 
> >for points as quickly.  He can take the life out of  an opposing 
> >defense in the right role.
> >
> >The advantage of trading Pierce now to a team like Chicago 
> is that you 
> >potentially get two picks in this draft. The first brings you top of 
> >the lottery talent (the second allows you to gamble on a Sene, 
> >Rodriguez, etc...), you don't commit huge dollars to a player that 
> >isn't likely to be as good by the time the team is ready to 
> compete at 
> >the highest level yet his cost will likely prevent a move to 
> the elite 
> >competitive level, and you put yourself in really solid 
> position to draft a star next year.
> >
> >How much more time is this franchise going to waste? Or is it just 
> >about having a name brand, "star" jersey and cheesy, obnoxiously loud
> >entertainment to sell tickets.    
> >
> >Ravi
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> >>[mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Mark Piotrowski
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:10 AM
> >>To: celtics at igtc.com
> >>Subject: On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Personally, I think if you can get Chicago's #2, #16, and 
> Hinrich or 
> >>>Gordon, for Pierce, that would be a great start.  As well,
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>this would
> >>    
> >>
> >>>very likely put Boston in excellent top five draft position
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>next year
> >>    
> >>
> >>>when an outstanding crop of talent might be available at the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>top of the lottery.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Then another strong draft in 2008 and this team will have
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>completed the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>rebuilding process and really have a chance at a developing a 
> >>>championship caliber team.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>while i agree with Ravi's general point about mediocrity i 
> seriously 
> >>doubt the C's are *looking* to trade Pierce.  Do i think 
> won't listen? 
> >>No, but there is a difference.
> >>
> >>I've said it before and i'll say it again, I just don't see the 
> >>fascination w/ Gordon.  Will he ever be a better player than guys
> >>like John Starks or Jason Terry?   And while Villanueva proved lots 
> >>of folks (myself) wrong, there is no way he's a key piece 
> in a trade 
> >>for Pierce.
> >>
> >>If we're listening to Chicago, any deal	would have to 
> >>-- for me -- include:
> >>
> >>Kirk Hinrich
> >>Luol Deng
> >>#2 and the rights to NY's #1 next year.
> >>
> >>If they want teh #7, we get their #16 too.
> >>
> >>The #2 and Ny's #1 next year were what they got for Eddy 
> Curry --- I 
> >>won't bore anyone with an argument about how much better Pierce is 
> >>than Curry.
> >>
> >>If I'm the bulls though, I'd take Brandon Roy at #2, move 
> Gordon for 
> >>someone like Nene or Lamar Odom and Keep Hinrich and Deng.
> >>
> >>(the other) mark
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