On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.

Tue Jun 13 19:24:17 CDT 2006

Steve, 

I completely agree.  Pierce, barring a
career-threatening injury, has at least 10 years left
on his career, and should be capable (depending on the
state of the team) of scoring 20+ and getting 6-8
rebounds during most of that time.  The thing with
Pierce is that his game is predicated on fundamentals,
footwork, length, and intelligence--aspects which will
only remain the same or increase in greatness as he
ages.  Even if he loses some athleticism as he ages
(or has a knee injury), he can easily be moved to
power forward, where his rebounding prowess and
low-post offensive game can be further exploited. 

Thus, unlike other players who play Paul's position
and are similarly valuable, such as Vince or McGrady,
Paul's game is such that he will age most gracefully. 
Any trade proposals should address this unique aspect
of Paul's game--namely that since his game is not
predicated on athleticism (like the majority of
players in the league), he will have a longer and more
productive career than a great majority of players. 
Thus, he is a player who you build a team with, even
at the age of 28.

Ryan

--- Steve Ouellette <bosox18 at charter.net> wrote:

> I don't think holding on to Pierce is merely an
> attempt to sell tickets. 
> The guy isn't near the end of his career, he's got
> several good years 
> left. I guess some people think the rebuilding
> process is going to take 
> another five years, but I don't see reason to
> automatically give up on 
> the next four.. If you give up Pierce for nothing
> but young talent, then 
> you're saying you don't think Al, Perk, Gomes,
> Delonte and Gerald Green 
> are going to amount to anything. On the other hand,
> if you think some of 
> that group will amount to something, then I'd much
> rather see them 
> playing with Pierce than with Lamarcus Aldridge and
> Spanish Chocolate.
> 
> Steve O
> 
> keltsfan wrote:
> 
> >Mark, 
> >
> >I think you're overvaluing Pierce!
> >
> >However, I do agree Gordon is not a center piece to
> any Pierce deal and I
> >was not implying so.  He is however, an amazing guy
> to bring off the bench
> >in a sixth or seventh man role because few in the
> NBA can explode for points
> >as quickly.  He can take the life out of  an
> opposing defense in the right
> >role. 
> >
> >The advantage of trading Pierce now to a team like
> Chicago is that you
> >potentially get two picks in this draft. The first
> brings you top of the
> >lottery talent (the second allows you to gamble on
> a Sene, Rodriguez,
> >etc...), you don't commit huge dollars to a player
> that isn't likely to be
> >as good by the time the team is ready to compete at
> the highest level yet
> >his cost will likely prevent a move to the elite
> competitive level, and you
> >put yourself in really solid position to draft a
> star next year. 
> >
> >How much more time is this franchise going to
> waste? Or is it just about
> >having a name brand, "star" jersey and cheesy,
> obnoxiously loud
> >entertainment to sell tickets.    
> >
> >Ravi 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com 
> >>[mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of
> Mark Piotrowski
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:10 AM
> >>To: celtics at igtc.com
> >>Subject: On Vescey, Rando, Sergio, etc.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Personally, I think if you can get Chicago's #2,
> #16, and Hinrich or 
> >>>Gordon, for Pierce, that would be a great start. 
> As well, 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>this would 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>very likely put Boston in excellent top five
> draft position 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>next year 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>when an outstanding crop of talent might be
> available at the 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>top of the lottery.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Then another strong draft in 2008 and this team
> will have 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>completed the 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>rebuilding process and really have a chance at a
> developing a 
> >>>championship caliber team.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>while i agree with Ravi's general point about
> mediocrity i 
> >>seriously doubt the C's are *looking* to trade
> Pierce.  Do i 
> >>think won't listen? No, but there is a difference.
> >>
> >>I've said it before and i'll say it again, I just
> don't see 
> >>the fascination w/ Gordon.  Will he ever be a
> better player than guys 
> >>like John Starks or Jason Terry?   And while
> Villanueva proved lots 
> >>of folks (myself) wrong, there is no way he's a
> key piece in 
> >>a trade for Pierce.
> >>
> >>If we're listening to Chicago, any deal	would have
> to 
> >>-- for me -- include:
> >>
> >>Kirk Hinrich
> >>Luol Deng
> >>#2 and the rights to NY's #1 next year.
> >>
> >>If they want teh #7, we get their #16 too.
> >>
> >>The #2 and Ny's #1 next year were what they got
> for Eddy 
> >>Curry --- I won't bore anyone with an argument
> about how much 
> >>better Pierce is than Curry.
> >>
> >>If I'm the bulls though, I'd take Brandon Roy at
> #2, move 
> >>Gordon for someone like Nene or Lamar Odom and
> Keep Hinrich and Deng.
> >>
> >>(the other) mark
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