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Sat Jun 10 08:06:24 CDT 2006
Workout buzz, trade rumors
. For Chad Ford's breakdown of who's hot and who's not after the second day
of games at the Orlando predraft camp, click here.
The action at the Orlando predraft camp might not be hot, but the stars of
this year's draft are coming out to shine in other places.
A number of private team workouts were going down in various locations
throughout the Orlando area on Thursday. Here's a look at who worked out for
whom:
. LSU forward Tyrus Thomas worked out for the Raptors and Blazers on
Thursday afternoon. Thomas had trainer Randy Livingston take him through a
workout similar to the one that I saw him go through last Friday.
While both team sources were a little tight-lipped about what they saw,
Livingston told me that evening that Thomas shot the ball well, hitting
15-of-25 from NBA 3-point range.
Thomas will begin individual workouts shortly after the predraft camp ends.
He'll first go to Chicago on June 15, then Toronto on June 17 and then
Portland on June 20, according to one of his agents, Michael Siegal. Siegal
also said that Thomas was in the process of scheduling a workout with the
Bobcats but hadn't set a date yet.
. The Magic had the mother of all swingman workouts on Thursday afternoon at
their practice facility, bringing in six of the top shooting guards and
small forwards in the draft. Villanova's Randy Foye, Arkansas' Ronnie
Brewer, Memphis' Rodney Carney, Temple's Mardy Collins, Rutgers' Quincy
Douby and Arizona's Hassan Adams worked out for roughly two hours against
each other.
What was the verdict? A Magic spy said the workout was very competitive, but
Foye, Brewer and Carney shined the most.
It's unlikely that Foye will be on the board when the Magic pick. However,
Brewer and Carney (along with Duke's J.J. Redick) likely will be in serious
consideration for Orlando's No. 11 pick.
Orlando needs an athletic swingman to put in the backcourt with Jameer
Nelson. Either Brewer or Carney would be an excellent addition.
However, the player the Magic really covet is Washington's Brandon Roy. The
Magic have been working for several weeks to move up in the draft, but they
face a practical problem: How high do you have to move up to get Roy?
Conventional wisdom says No. 4 or No. 5 in the draft. But the Bulls are
seriously considering him at No. 2. The Magic probably don't have the
ammunition it's going to take to get that high in the draft. Dwight Howard,
Darko Milicic and Jameer Nelson are untouchable. It's doubtful a team would
take a player like Carlos Arroyo or Hedo Turkoglu for a high lottery pick.
. Florida State forward Alexander Johnson, Miami guard Guillermo Diaz, UCLA
center Ryan Hollins and Tennessee-Martin guard Jeremy Kelly worked out for
roughly 15 NBA executives in nearby Celebration, Fla., on Thursday
afternoon.
The workout was intense, leading one scout to proclaim that it was one of
the best workouts he's seen in years. The guys play in two-on-two games
against each other, and the competition was fierce.
"I learned more in an hour at this workout than I had in all of the games
that I'd seen at the predraft camp," one GM said.
Four NBA executives who attended the workout said Johnson had an amazing
workout against Hollins. One said, "He was attacking the kid and dunking on
him on almost every possession. Then he couldn't miss from the outside. I
thought he was fantastic. If you're going to work out in front of NBA teams,
that's how you do it."
All four executives thought Johnson was a lock for the late teens or early
20s of the first round. If the Bulls decide to go ahead and take Brandon Roy
at No. 2, don't be surprised if they draft Johnson with their 16th pick.
Diaz also drew high praise for how well he shot the ball and for his energy
in the workout. Will be be a first-round pick? The same executives said it
will be a close call, but he could catch someone's eye with his combination
of quickness, toughness and athleticism.
"He shot the ball better than I thought he could," one NBA GM told Insider.
"What was impressive was that he could shoot like that after being so
fatigued."
Hollins, a 7-footer, got props from scouts for his athleticism and showed
some skills. But the fact that he was dominated by the more physical but
shorter Johnson (6-10) doesn't bode well.
. Pittsburgh center Aaron Gray worked out against former Oklahoma State
center Frans Steyn on Thursday afternoon.
It's not the best environment for Gray, and the workout didn't go well for
him. He's not very athletic and doesn't show well in drills. While Gray did
demonstrate some nice footwork in the paint against Steyn, every scout I
spoke to (in lieu of NBA execs, who didn't show up for the most part) said
Gray needs to return to school.
"He's still raw and he needs to get more athletic," one NBA scout said. "He
could really use another year of college ball."
. The first trade since the trade deadline went down Thursday when the
Raptors sent Rafael Araujo to the Jazz for Kris Humphries and Robert Whaley.
That will draw yawns from about everyone except fans of BYU, which is where
Araujo went to school.
But everyone expects there eventually will be a big trade involving some of
the teams at the top of the draft.
Lots of rumors are swirling, and you can guarantee that most of them are
bogus.
The latest Raptors rumor buzzing around the gym has the Raptors talking with
the Bucks about a deal that would bring Toronto native Jamaal Magloire and
Maurice Williams to Toronto for Charlie Villanueva or the No. 1 pick (the
Raptors can make this deal because they'll be under the cap).
That trade would allow the Raptors to take care of their needs at center and
the point and still retain either Villanueva or the No. 1 pick. If they were
to keep Villanueva or draft Andrea Bargnani to play the three, Toronto would
be set at essentially every position. The long-term risk is that both
Magloire and Williams hit free agency next summer and might cost the Raptors
too much money to re-sign.
For the Bucks, the deal would free up room in the middle for Andrew Bogut to
start and give them a young power forward (either Villanueva or someone like
Tyrus Thomas or LaMarcus Aldridge) to pair with him in the frontcourt.
O'Bryant worthy of No. 1 pick?
. For Chad Ford's breakdown of who's hot and who's not after the first day
of games at the Orlando predraft camp, click here.
On Monday, I sat in a gym in Sarasota, Fla., watching Bradley center Patrick
O'Bryant work out. O'Bryant was flying up and down the floor, taking off
from almost the free-throw line for dunks, then hitting sky hook after sky
hook in post drills. I wrote that I wondered why he wasn't getting more buzz
as a potential No. 1 pick.
On Wednesday, O'Bryant had a larger coming-out party at a private workout in
front of 150 NBA executives and scouts here in Orlando. Although the media
were banned from the workout, Insider found a way to get an exception and
stayed in the gym for the workout.
O'Bryant worked out with Yemi Nicholson, Rashad Anderson and Darius
Washington in a workout nearly identical to the one I saw at IMG on Monday.
The verdict? Although O'Bryant looked a little nervous and stiffer than he
did Monday, he still impressed with his athleticism and skills in the post.
Afterward, I talked with a number of NBA team executives to get their take.
"I think he's the No. 1 pick," one GM said. "Everyone at the top of the
draft is about upside. Tyrus Thomas, LaMarcus Aldridge, Andrea Bargnani,
Rudy Gay; they all have a ways to go. But none of them are 7-footers who
will be centers in the pros. I think when in doubt, you go with the center."
A number of GMs agreed that O'Bryant should be in the mix, claiming that his
size, skill, athleticism and production (he played pretty well in the NCAA
Tournament this year) put him on par with the other top players in the
draft.
However, there were dissenting voices in the crowd.
"I think Patrick is an interesting prospect," another GM said. "But he's a
late lottery prospect, not a high lottery one. I've followed him all year. I
think he has a long ways to go. It's going to require a lot of hard work for
a kid like that to make it in this league. From what I've seen and heard,
I'm not sure he's going to put in the effort it takes to become great. Why
would you risk it with the No. 1 pick? He's the type of kid, like Kwame
Brown or Michael Olowokandi, who can get you fired. You see the size and
talent, and you fall in love. But kids like this can break your heart."
After the predraft camp ends, O'Bryant will be working out with several of
the top teams in the draft, including the Raptors and Bulls.
. Villanova's Kyle Lowry, North Carolina State's Cedric Simmons, Notre
Dame's Torin Francis and Keydren Clark of St. Peter's worked out after
O'Bryant's group left the floor.
Both Lowry and Simmons generated a fair amount of buzz themselves.
Lowry shot the ball well enough (although not as well as on Monday) that
several GMs said they might have to rethink their scouting report on him.
Lowry had a rep as a bad shooter after his freshman year at Villanova. He
improved his shot greatly last season, but scouts still seemed concerned.
Hitting shots in a workout is a lot different from hitting shots in a game,
but after seeing Lowry stroke it for two straight workouts, I think the
shooting knock might be a little unfair.
Simmons showed off his length and athleticism by dunking the ball at every
opportunity. He showed he could really get up and down the floor, as well.
However, he didn't show scouts any real skill in the post. His footwork
still needs work, and he's going to have to learn to add a jump hook to his
repertoire. Still, the general consensus was that Simmons would be a late
lottery to mid-first round pick.
. We've heard very few trade rumors here at the camp. Most assume trades are
going to happen but are short on specifics.
The best one floating around the gym Wednesday had the Bulls and Nuggets
talking about a Tyson Chandler-for-Kenyon Martin swap. Chandler is a
base-year player, meaning he's very difficult to trade before July 1. But
after that, the deal would work financially.
Would the Nuggets and Bulls do it? I talked to two sources in Denver on
Wednesday who said they'd love to pull off a deal like that. Martin is in
George Karl's doghouse; Marcus Camby could then become another viable
trading chip; and the Nuggets want to bring Nene back to play the four.
What about Martin's knee? One Nuggets source insisted that the knee is fine
and that it's the relationship between Martin and Karl that's broken.
What about the Bulls? Would they do it? I asked one Bulls source who
replied, "Are you crazy?" Yes, the Bulls need a tough, physical four who can
score and, no, they're not still enamored with Chandler. However, the
thought of bringing the volatile Martin, who has a history of injuries, into
the mix and losing their best big man in the process didn't sound appealing.
Instead, don't be surprised if the Bulls make a run at Nene, who's a free
agent this summer, with their cap room, along with another free-agent big,
such as Joel Przybilla or Nazr Mohammed.
. Speaking of trade rumors ... I'm not a lip reader, but it was fun to see
Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo in the halls talking with potential trade
partners. We spotted him in conversation with interim Blazers GM Steve
Patterson and again with Celtics president Danny Ainge.
I also spotted Patterson and assistant GM Kevin Pritchard talking with Bulls
GM John Paxson and saw a long conversation between Sixers GM Billy King and
Hawks GM Billy Knight.
. Spain's Sergio Rodriguez has impressed in the few workouts he has had here
in the States. He has been good enough that a couple of NBA GMs now believe
he could be the second or third point guard selected in the draft.
He has played to glowing reviews in Phoenix, Chicago, Boston, Sacramento and
Memphis. The feedback has been so positive that he has pulled out of the
Reebok Eurocamp in Italy and will focus the next couple of weeks on
targeting other teams in the upper half of the first round that might want
to draft him.
Rodriguez is an amazing talent who has watched his stock slip out of the
lottery because of injuries and a so-so year. However, his stellar play in
the Spanish playoffs and his solid workouts have him back as a solid
first-rounder and as a guy who could continue to move up in the draft.
. This year's Reebok Eurocamp will have a couple of potential
first-rounders -- Brazil's Marcus Vinicius and Israel's Yotam Halperin -- in
Treviso, Italy, next week. They will be joined by several other intriguing
draft-eligible international players, including Serbia's Nemanja
Aleksandrov, Israel's Lior Eliyahu, England's Joel Freeland, Slovakia's
Anton Gavel and France's Ali Traore.
Factor in one of the hottest up-and-coming young players in Europe,
Croatia's Ante Tomic -- and the fact that top prospect Bargnani will be in
Italian League playoff action nearby -- and the Reebok camp in Treviso
actually is showing off more NBA first-round talent than the official
predraft camp in Orlando this year.
As usual, I'll be in Italy next week to give you the play-by-play.
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