Cs to draft J.J. Redick?

Fri Jun 9 06:15:27 CDT 2006

I'm not advocating for Redick at all (especially not with Draft Express 
putting the Tyrus Thomas fantasy into my head), but I think the Eddie 
House comparison is selling the guy short. What if he's the next Reggie 
Miller or Rip Hamilton (with 3-point range)? Wouldn't he then be well 
worth the No. 7?

Steve O

Berry, Mark S wrote:

>As much as it pains me to say it, I agree that it wouldn't shock me to
>see Redick as the guy at 7. And I agree with Steve -- the guy is in no
>way a combo guard. He's a shooting guard and that's it.
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>The Celts have become a very stats-oriented operation. They have
>formulas that calculate efficiency at both ends of the court and rely on
>those numbers quite a bit. I point this out because I'm guessing
>Redick's offensive efficiency numbers are off the charts. He shoots a
>high percentage from the field and from three and is automatic at the
>free throw line. I'm sure his PER numbers and whatever else the Celtics
>use, are very impressive.
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>Now ... We all know that doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA. Can
>he get that shot off against NBA defenders? Can he defend on the other
>end (I'm very skeptical)? If you're looking for an Eddie House type --
>10-15 minutes per game of pure shooting -- he'll probably be fine. But
>is that what you want from the No. 7 pick in the draft? Not me.
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>I'm actually becoming more and more optimistic that someone from that
>Big Six will fall to the Celts. I think Marcus Williams and Patrick
>O'Bryant are doing enough that one or maybe even both of them could go
>in the top six. And if that happens, the Celts are going to see a good
>player slide into their laps.
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>Mark
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>From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
>Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:39 AM
>To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>Cc: Thomas Murphy
>Subject: Re: Cs to draft J.J. Redick?
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>I wouldn't be stunned to see the Celts take Redick ... but he is not a
>point guard anymore than Tony Allen is a point guard. He's not even a
>combo guard. He's a shooting guard, pure and simple. 
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>Steve O
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>---- Thomas Murphy <tfmiii at worldnet.att.net> wrote: 
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>>Some quotes from Chad Fraud on J.J. Redick (obtained from RealGM
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>>>>The early word back from workouts in places like Houston, Utah and
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>Boston has been surprisingly positive. 
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>>Sources with all three teams have said the same thing to me. Redick is
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>better than they thought he would be. <<
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>>>>"I'm actually not a huge believer in individual workouts," one NBA
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>executive said. "However, I think we learned a lot about that kid and it
>was all good..." 
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>>How good? Good enough that Redick appears to be in the conversation
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>with the Celtics at No. 7 and in serious consideration by the Rockets at
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>>Now when I first read this I thought it must be another smokescreen
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>that Ainge is putting up to push someone down to #7. But then I got to
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>>a) Neither Ainge nor Doc were pure points, both were combo guards with
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>PG responsibilities and so far have seemed to favor the same for the Cs
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>>b) both Ainge and Doc are 6-5 and also seem to favor similarly sized
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>guards in the backcourt
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>>c) Ainge was a gunner and one of his stated emphases has been to stock
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>the Cs with guys who can shoot the ball
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>>d) IIRC both Ainge and Doc have talked about getting someone who can
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>'drive and dish' 
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>>e) Ainge has mentioned PG as a priority now, rather than down the road
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>>f) I've read that Ainge has said he thought his guy might be available
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>at 10-12
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>>How does this all fit with J.J. Redick?
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>>a) Redick is a SG but given his size and average athleticism is very
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>likely going to have to be a combo guard in the NBA 
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>>b) Redick has the size that Doc and Ainge seem to view as highly
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>desirable in a PG (6-4)
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>>c) Redick is nothing if not the ultimate gunner 
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>>d) Redick can drive and dish (it may be his only PG-like ability):
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>"His ball-handling has improved enough he can make his way to the basket
>effectively without much trouble, either to finish himself with a nifty
>layup off the glass or find the open man on the dish and drive if the
>paint is too crowded for his liking."
>http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=16 
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>>e) Redick, a college senior coached by Krzyzewski in arguably the
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>toughest conference in the NCAA, is as ready as anyone to step in and
>contribute 
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>>f) Redick's name has not been too high on the charts: he'll be there
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>at #7 and it would not be unlikely to last till 10-12. 
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>>So, the more I thought it through, the more it seems to me that Redick
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>may well be the one Ainge and Doc have already tabbed as the guy they
>want. 
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>>I am ambivalent: I am one who thinks the Cs would really improve with
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>a true PG at the helm, and barring that could use more help in the
>interior. Getting another gunner does not seem to me to be a high
>priority - particularly if he is another combo-guard. 
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>>On the other hand, I can see why Ainge and Doc may be leaning this way
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>(although I disagree with it): 
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>>1) It is always good to have not only another shooter but another
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>scorer (and by all accounts Redick is both - including averaging eight
>FTs a game). 
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>>2) Management also seems to be of the belief that more scoring from
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>deeper on the floor will spread the offense and lead to easier baskets
>(I think better passing/orchestration would accomplish this more
>effectively) and Redick fits into that school of thought. 
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>>3) Also I can see where they would envision Redick eventually becoming
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>the second or possibly the first option on offense: 1b to Pierce's 1a. 
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>>4) Redick would also be able to push Delonte soon after joining the
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>team and Ainge is a stated believer in people having to work to keep
>their place in the line-up. 
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>>5) Finally, Redick is a guaranteed go-to option down the end of games.
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>Apparently one of the things he is showing in the workouts is an ability
>to create his own shot - a big knock on him in the minds of many - (or
>at the very least to 'drive and dish') and closing out games was our
>Achilles heel all last year. He can shoot it from 28 feet out, he can
>drive and dish and he is automatic at the line - and he is likely better
>at all three right now than Paul Pierce (although it hurts me to say
>it).
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>>So it seems to me that for these reasons, plus the one mentioned
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>above, that Ainge and Doc at this point have figured Redick as the guy
>they want. Thinking may change of course, but given the clues we've been
>given and the way Ainge and Doc have approached designing the team, I
>think this is a good a guess as one can make at this point.
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