Re: Karma and wait a durn minute here!

["Helen" <elbo@xxxxxxxxx>]

> Ooooh, only mankind can be so arrogant as to believe man was made in the
Big G's image. I have to defer to Andy Partridge here: "Did you make
mankind/After we made you..." Didn't Tommy teach you anything?
>TOMMY? HUH. TOMMY VERSUS THE WORD OF GOD? CURIOUS...
>> It also says a lot of things that are clearly and unmistakably false. It
is a book written by humans, and is therefore an inherently flawed document.
The religions which have been created from this document are even MORE
flawed. If you don't believe me, ask a priest...if you're brave enough to be
alone with one...
THERE IS NOTHING FALSE IN THE WORD OF GOD. READ THE BIBLE AND YOU`LL SEE IT
YOURSELF. HOWEVER, THE TRUTH WILL NOT SHOW ITSELF WHILE YAR PREJUDICED.
SEEK, AND YOU WILL FIND, JESUS SAID. BUT DON`T WE ALWAYS FIND EXACTLY WHAT
WE`RE LOOKING FOR? IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WHAT IS TRUE, YOU FIND THE TRUTH -
AND THERE ARE NO DIFFERENT TRUTHS, SO HE ALL THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR THE
TRUTH FIND THE SAME TRUTH, AND THOSE WHO LOOK FOR THE TRUTH THAT SUITS THEM
WILL FIND THE TRUTH THAT IS TRUE ONLY TO THEM, THEREFORE, THEY FIND A LIE
AND THEN START TALKING ABOUT GOD AND SAY, "FAITH IS TOO PRIVATE A THING TO
DISCUSS. GOD IS WHAT`S INSIDE YOUR SOUL, AND IT`S DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY".
IT`S NOTHING BUT THE IDLENESS OF OUR SOULS - YOU CAN VERY EASILY LIVE WITH
YOUR PRIVATE TRUTH, BECAUSE THEN IT MEANS YOU HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITIES AND
YOU`RE IN CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE - BUT ARE YOU REALLY? AND ONCE YOU LEARN THE
TRUTH AND ADMIT IT YOU`VE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES. YOU GOTTA MAKE A DECISION
REGARDING THE TRUTH. YOU ALREADY KNOW IT, AND YOU GOTTA MAKE UP YOUR MIND
WHETHER YOU TAKE IT OR NOT. AND IF YOU DON`T BELIEVE ME, ASK A... NOT A
PRIEST. FOR WHAT`S A PRIEST? ONLY NAIVE PEOPLE THINK A PRIEST IS SOMETHING.
IN MOST CASES PRIESTS TAKE TOO MUCH UPON THEMSELVES.THERE IS A UNIVERSAL
BELIEF THAT A PRIEST IS A MEDIUM BETWEEN MAN AND GOD. IT`S NICE TO THINK A
PRIEST WILL TAKE CARE OF YOUR SOUL AND EVEN IF YOU`RE NOT A BELIEVER, JUST
TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, YOU CAN HAVE HIM "FORGIVE YOUR SINS" AND STUFF. JUST
TO RESERVE YOU A PLACE IN HEAVEN IF THAT WHOLE THING THAT DOESN`T MAKE SENSE
IS TRUE AFTER ALL. BUT IF YOU REALY WANNA KNOW WHAT IT`S ALL ABOUT, ASK GOD
HIMSELF, AND IF HE`S REALLY THERE HE`LL SHOW YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO SEE. IF
IT`S REALLY RAINING, YOU`LL BE WET THRU ;-)))
>
> >> > The bible is a book of the present.
>
> I'd LOVE to know how you arrive at that conclusion, considering how long
ago the thing was written.
WHO CARES IF THE BIBLE I WAS WRITTEN LONG AGO? HUH, AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE
TO WRITE WHAT WE NOW CALL THE BIBLE? A BOOK OF 66 BOOKS THAT COVERS
THOUSANDS OF YEARS, WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DIFFERENT TIMES
AND DIDN`T HAVE A CHANCE TO KNOW EACH OTHER... THE BIBLE IS TOO COMPLICATED
TO BE JUDGED ABOUT IN SUCH A NARROW WAY. JUST THINK WHAT IT TOOK THOSE
PEOPLE TO PUT IT ALL DOWN. LET`S TAKE THE NEW TESTAMENT. WE KNOW FOUR
GOSPELS: MARK, MATHEW, LUKE AND JOHN. THERE ARE EPISTLES, THERE ARE ACTS AND
THERE`S THE BOOK OF REVELATION. IT`S NOT EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE PERIOD OF
TIME. EVEN MORE PEOPLE WHO WERE AROUND JESUS WERE WRITING DOWN WHAT THEY SAW
AND EXPERIENCE. BUT SOME DIDN`T FINISH THEIR WRITING, SOMEBODY`S WRITINGS
WERE LOST, AND SOMEBODY`S - JUST NOT INCLUDED IN THE BIBLE AS WE KNOW IT. IT
WAS UP TO PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT GOES IN THE BIBLE, WHAT IT NOW HAS IS WHAT
THEY CHOSE. BUT IN THE TIME OF THE EARLY CHURCH THERE WAS NO BIBLE. WHAT AM
I DRIVING AT? I SIMPLY WANNA SAY THAT THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE WRITING ABOUT
ONE AND THE SAME THING, JUST LIKE JOURNALISTS NOWADAYS WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING
POPULAR. EVEN ROMAN HISTORIANS WROTE ABOUT IT. NOT ONLY THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS
WAS THE ONE HE SAID HE WAS. AND NOT ONLY FOUR PEOPLE WROTE WHAT WE CALL THE
GOSPELS. IMAGINE YOURSELF IN ONE OF THOSE DAYS AROUND 2000 YEARS AGO. NO
BIBLE, NO CHRISTIAN RELIGION. A MAN FROM GALILLEE TALKS TO CROWDS OF PEOPLE,
TELLING THEM SOMETHING UNLIKE ANYTHING THEY EVER HEARD BEFORE. THE CRIPPLED
CAN WALK AND THE BLIND CAN SEE. THAN THAT GUY IS TAKEN TO PILATE AND PILATE
ASKS THE CROWD WHAT HE SHOULD DO WITH HIM AS LONG AS PILATE HIMSELF FINDS
DIFFICULTIES WITH WHAT TO DO. IT`S THE CROWD THAT HEARD HIM TEACH. NOW IT
SHOUTS "CRUCIFY". WHAT WOULD YOU DO? OKAY HE`S CRUCIFIED. THREE DAYS LATER,
THEY SAY HE`S RISEN FROM THE DEAD. MORE AND MORE PEOPLE BELIEVE. THEY ARE
FED TO THE LIONS AS ENTERTAIMENT TO THE MOB, THEY ARE PERCECUTED, THEY ARE
OUTLAWS. STILL THEY BELIEVE. WHERE WOULD YOU BE?
> > The bible does not make irresponsible statements.
>
> Man...I just don't have the time or space to list them all. But I'd bet
Scott will make a start. Hey-Zeus H. Hockeysticks, dude, you opened yourself
up big time there. A little levity is in order: "I used to be all messed up
on drugs, now I'm all messed up on the Lord."
>
> >I don't need science to prove
> whether or not God's word is true.  If science agrees, then it proves
science
> was used accurately.
>
> And if it doesn't, science wasn't used accurately? Is that what you're
saying? What, do you think they blinded us with Science? This ain't the
Thomas Dolby list, you know!
>
> >welcome it.  But theories are proved and are sometimes disproved. They
are
> formed by men and men do make mistakes.  There is no doubt about this.
>
> I agree. Even when, no ESPECIALLY when they create religions. And
documents for said religions. Religions have been the cause of more death
than any other single factor in the history of our sad race. Hey, you GO
God! (editor's note: it's not actually God I'm blaming here but those who do
these things in his name. Nor do I think God owes me an apology, although I
would accept one if offered)
>
> >How difficult it is for an intellectual person to humble himself!
>
> But it's not impossible, as it is with religious zealots. Just ask Falwell
about how wrong he was about Vince Foster. Or Bush about Iraq's WMD. Both
"good Christians" those guys, right? How about Billy Graham's feelings about
Jews? Whadda prince, that guy. And so on, and so forth.
>
> > What are *you* scared of?
>
> Sometimes turnabout is NOT fair play, Jon. Go to the church of your
choice. Just don't make me go too.
>
>
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