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Re: Center for Democracy and Technology

I'd consider myslef an ISP expert seeing as how I'm the Lead Tech at one.

Mind reposting the info about the blocking?

We've never had an inicident of child porn or any porn for that matter behind hosted on our servers. We're affiliated with a next door computer shop so we've seen out share of porn infested systems and even had a city coucilman fired because of pornography on his system at work.

ISP's should not be held liable for what it's users post on thier websites unless their doing this knowably which can be hard to prove. For a smaller ISP if some guy comes in and signs up for the domain naked-kiddes.com we'd show him the door. If the same guy came in and wanted hosting for his domain widgets-n-gidgets.com no problem but I'm sure at some point soon we'd be checking out his site just to see it's working.

Smaller ISP's have more control over thier networks and should be held more liable if thier hosting child porn. National ISP conglomerates automate everything and therefore would be less likely to know about and porn hosting.

Even less liekly to be detected is pornographic files in the useres folder on a public webserver. It's there and easily linked to in private but can't easily be spotted by an ISP of any size.

That's my two cents on the responsibilty of the ISP now what was your question again? :)

Feel free to msg me back either privately or publicly via the list.

Brian Wright
wrightweb@wright-onthe-web.com
http://www.wright-onthe-web.com





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Here's what I got back from the Center for Democracy and Technology on the child porn site blocking issue. A quick look at their site makes me think they have ties to the communications industry. I had a quickie look at the document he's referencing (I wish I had more time to do this) and it looks to me like they're complaining about the way ISPs handle sites on their servers. They group the site numbers and can't block just one, but have to block a whole groups. Any ISP experts here? George? Is there a way around this, or are the ISPs only bellyaching because they don't want to a) lose the $$ and b) change the way they do things?


keets

Thanks very much for your comments. We entirely agree that any ISP that is knowingly hosting child pornography is violating the law and should be prosecuted. CDT has long called for the vigorous enforcement of existing child pornography laws.

The Pa. law, however, does not go after the creators or hosts of any illegal content. Our main concern in the Pennsylvania context is that, in light of how the Internet operates, wholly innocent web sites are being blocked with no notice or judicial process.

You might be interested in the full report that we issued -- you can find it at http://www.cdt.org/speech/030200pennreport.pdf. Our web site has other information (including the text of the Pennsylvania law) at http://www.cdt.org/speech/ . Thanks again for your input.

John Morris

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