Re: karma question (zero Who)

[Keithjmoon70@xxxxxxx]

In a message dated 4/15/2003 12:57:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
sschrade@ascpl.lib.oh.us writes:

> And your God is supposed to be powerful?  Sounds
> to me like he's pretty dependent on humans.

Yes, He is actually.    

>>And what happened when people started to explore the universe, Jon? We're
biblical accounts confirmed?

Yes, if you know how to understand the bible.  And no, if the studies are 
flawed.  People do make mistakes.  Theories come and go.  

>>And, if as you say they were, then why did 
the Catholic Church feel that Galileo would be better off locked in a tower
or under house arrest than formulating his ideas about the universe?

Galileo was right.  The Catholic church was wrong.  They were the ones that 
locked up the bible. The religionists were also the ones that had the Lord 
crucified. But He used them to accomplish His purpose even in this.

>>According to your theory, since the Bible is available to 
practically everyone now, we should all be religious (Christians, I guess).

Please try to see what I am saying instead of forming an argument against it. 
 This is something that happened in history.  What is rare is precious.  That 
is why when it was released it was treasured and light came out of it when 
people read it.  There are many strategies to put down the truth. One 
strategy is to lock up the truth.  To make the truth "common" is another 
strategy.  This removes the value in the perception of it.  This is a big 
problem in the US.  We often don't even realize what we have and become lazy 
and fat.  That is why hard times cause growth and make us real. 

>>Then, in my late teens, when I realized that even with all my praying, not
a goddamned thing was happening to me, I wised up, & stopped wasting my
time & thought on such antiquated, foolish, nonproductive endeavors. *I'm*
the one who's seen the light, Jon, not you. You're still too afraid to
discard your comforting superstitions. Stop leaning on God. You're bound 
to fall over.

Scott, you're an honest guy.  I appreciate your frankness and your clear, 
uncluttered thinking. I have said before, even to others, that what you see, 
you see and you are true to that. I respect what you say perhaps more than 
anyone on the list because of this. 

You are very objective in almost every subject except this one. Something 
personal is going on. I wouldn't let it go so easily.  God speaks through 
humans and you are not dead yet.  He heard you.

Jon in Mi.