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Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
Hello!
Shop will *NOT* be set up in the VIP parking.
I should be arriving around 4pm.
-George
PS..I'll have the same balloons.
-----Original Message-----
From: TheWho-Digest-Owner@igtc.com [mailto:TheWho-Digest-Owner@igtc.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:34 PM
To: TheWho-Digest@igtc.com
Subject: The Who Mailing List Digest V9 #242
The Who Mailing List Digest
Saturday, August 24 2002 Volume 09 : Number 242
In this issue:
Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
Re: Who makes the Who the Who?
Name calling gets completely out of hand
2002 tour live CDs
another Who shouldn't go on review
Re: 2002 tour live CDs
Disappointment with The Who, A Wack-a-doo & Progression VS
regression
Re: Enjoy the Shows !
Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
[none]
Re:
Re: another Who shouldn't go on review
Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
positive
reviews
Re: Who makes the Who the Who?
Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
Re: Name calling gets completely out of hand
More Info On The Live CD's
Re: Name calling gets completely out of hand
Give me the juice, baby
Re: reviews
Re: Positivity in The Who aka if they're going to release live
Who...
Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
Re: reviews
Re: reviews
Re: Positivity in The Who aka if they're going to release live
Who...
photos
Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
new material?
Re: Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
Re: Give me the juice, baby
Re: Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
Re: If they're gonna release live Who...
Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:59:41 -0400
From: "william sturm" <hapijac@msn.com>
Subject: Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
Hahaha!! Thats' funny!!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jdtr006@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:58 PM
To: thewho@igtc.com
Subject: Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
You know I did remember all you guys Majik, but couldn't figure out which
one was George. Now that explains alot, there was no George. You just stole
his balloons :) Sandy
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:28:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: thewho rocks <leb905@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Who makes the Who the Who?
> Imagine the deliberations that went on in the Who camp
> after the June 27 death of bassist John Entwistle. One
> day they were getting ready for a tour, the next the surviving
> members, shocked and grieving, were confronted with existential
> questions about the chemistry and composition of a rock band.
>
> They canceled a few dates, declined all interview
> requests, then followed that old show-must-go-on
> axiom. But before they made that decision, there had
> to be some hand-wringing: What, exactly, constitutes
> the Who?
Nah. I doubt very much if this happened. They got the show on the road,
and THEN they got to wondering what the hell they were doing and what,
exactly, constitutes The Who. They may have wavered a little bit in the
first few days while they struggled to get the sound together, but then I
think the crowd response pretty much took care of any doubts about who and
what they were.
There is something existential about the situation, but certainly it's not
something these guys should wonder about. They are themselves, whatever you
call it.
LB
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:31:50 -0400
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@adelphia.net>
Subject: Name calling gets completely out of hand
> From: Sigel James Civ 10 ABW/LGCW <James.Sigel@usafa.af.mil>
> Subject: Kevin Mc's Question
>
> cares? Jeff split for a while and came back too; I was delighted to
> meet Buck as a result! I don't see anything wrong in that either, but
> somehow Mark thinks that means you're a Republican or something.
Jim,
<sigh> I'm not so sure about you now. You really don't know Buck like I
did. Don't assume you know someone who you only know through the internet.
I made that mistake with Buck, and I daresay he made the same mistake with
me.
I had the distinct displeasure of meeting Buck at the Boston pre-show. He
seemed very reasonable at first. We talked about the meaning of "Naked Eye"
and shared a few fond memories of JAE. Then some fellow listers gathered
around. We both had an audience - this was when things got ugly.
During the course of the philosophical discussion he suggested that I had
attacked him several times on this list. He looked at several people in the
group that gathered, hoping to elicit their support. Passive aggression
really makes me mad.
I called him a liar. He called me a bonehead. I called him an asshole. He
called me a fucking asshole. I slashed his throat with a beer bottle. He
died. I went through his pockets and found good tickets for Boston I, Jones
Beach and Boston II. They were a little bloody, but still usable. Oh well,
his loss was my gain.
You know that he was trying to control this list, don't you? Are you still
"delighted" to have met him? He was a Facist Republican bent on attacking
anyone who got in his way. The list is a better place without him.
I am now King of thewho@igtc.com
No one would dare challenge my authority now!!!!
Jeff
;-)
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:59:00 EDT
From: Sroundtable@aol.com
Subject: 2002 tour live CDs
In a message dated 8/23/2002 3:57:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
TheWho-Digest-Owner@igtc.com writes:
> Eelpie.com and TheMusic.com have joined forces with The Who and
> Trinifold Management to bring you exclusive live recordings on CD of
> shows from the 2002 tour of North America by The Who.
>
> The band are aware that many of the shows on this tour will be sold as
> bootleg recordings and to satisfy this demand they have agreed to
> release their own official recordings to benefit worthy causes.
>
Great idea!! I'm pumped. Now how about a video? The video should have the
entire setlist, but take the best versions of each song and clip them
together. Would be amazing. Could get MG from Shoreline and WGFA from the
Gorge and WAY from MSG #2 etc...
mc
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:06:11 EDT
From: Sroundtable@aol.com
Subject: another Who shouldn't go on review
> Any group of musicians can make "we won't get fooled
> again" reasonably rousing. It takes four true
> believers, pooling their talents, to make "hope I die
> before I get old" mean something.
>
Again, has this guy seen them on this tour? And what does "review" style
approach mean? Playing their hits? What does he want them to play? EF and
ATD weren't what I'd call big hits. Neither was Sea and Sand. This is
another writer spouting poorly researched opinions. I'm tired of it,
frankly, but thank you to Brian for always posting them here. We don't tell
him this enough (at least I don't).
mc
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:36:42 -0700
From: "An English Boy" <peter_dennis_blandford_townshend@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2002 tour live CDs
Boy Genius at work here, that's for sure.
I can picture the image and reaction of certain movie/TV
and literary duo's when a comment like this is made.
Sherlock Holmes to Dr. John Watson:
#1 ~ "Elementary, my dear Watson!"
#2 ~ "Yes, yes, Watson, please enlighten me with your keen ability to
observe the obvious!"
or....
Mr. Spock's raised eyebrow to an observation or comment
by "Bones."
or....
Oliver Hardy to Stan Laurel:
"This is another fine mess you've gotten me into, Stanley!"
hmmm........
Why do I liken 'mc' to the "Batman" TV series' Robin, ...aka....."Boy
Wonder?"
The Battle Of new Orleans indeed!!
AnEnglishBoy~
===============
From: Sroundtable@aol.com
>Great idea!! I'm pumped. Now how about a video? The video should
>have
>the
>entire setlist, but take the best versions of each song and clip them
>together. Would be amazing. Could get MG from Shoreline and WGFA from the
>Gorge and WAY from MSG #2 etc...
>
>mc
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Mark R. Leaman" <bushchoked@yahoo.com>
Subject: Disappointment with The Who, A Wack-a-doo & Progression VS
regression
Try putting a down payment on a life.
Jim:
Wow, with this and your other endless blathering response, I see I've
wounded you to the core. Too bad you're so sensitive, but maybe one day
you'll understand you cannot attack someone without consequence. If you
think I'm an asshole, as you claim, one would think you wouldn't take it so
personally, like why should you care what I think...it can only mean there's
a lot of truth in what I've said.
One of us can admit how he feels honestly and the other one
lies
One thing you can be absolutely sure of...I don't lie. I don't need to. You
cannot point to a single lie I've written or said. I don't dislike you, Jim.
I think you're a mental case (or as we used to call them: Wack-a-doos), but
I don't dislike you. On the other hand, you're not going to get away with
attacking me, ever. Ain't gonna happen. Deal with it. It's reality. You can
try to squirm out of what I have said, but it's in fact you who is
attempting to manipulate the words by saying I am. I merely manipulated you,
because you asked for it. Don't attack me and you're as safe as milk, from
me anyway.
The WHO Encore Series Limited Edition CD!
Jeff:
Just where I hoped The Who would never go...into a cycle of tours and live
albums. Ah, well, even the greatest heroes can fall...but I find it sad.
When does it become Pete Townshend and the Original Who?
Wo! Now *I* just made 20 bucks.
Alan:
I suppose as a fellow Texan you feel you must support him...but YES, Bush is
responsible for this shit economy and meaningless war we find ourselves in.
I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable, but as a businessowner I am feeling
the effects more and more every day. I am not going to pretend I'm happy
about it.
I like Mark. I have always found him to be a kind and honest "you get
what you see" kind of guy.
Kevin:
As you say, you needn't defend me...nor I you...but we were both singled out
by Jim as some sort of list monitors or something. With no basis in reality,
I might add. Which I why (and the only reason why) I mentioned you at all.
Yes, I am what I am online and in person, exactly...as those who have met me
can testify, even Alan if he cares to admit it.
I took it to heart, and as an opportunity to see where I
could....ummm....improve?
Some people see only fear, pain and anger...and pit themselves again those
who would be progressive...some try to move forward and be positive, as we
(and many others on this list) do. This thing, this urge to progress, is
something I've always found in Townshend's songs. Again I have to wonder how
any Who fan can be regressive, but I have to accept the evidence of my eyes.
Whether I like it or not. You're going to improve, yes, because you are
trying to. You'll be a hell of a Dad in a few days, too. Remember, as Baba
said, we're all sparks off the cosmic wheel.
If you love music, check us out on the
web: www.secondgenerationscds.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:25:24 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Enjoy the Shows !
Glad you got to see a show, John.
keets
>... you lucky Americans. Have a ... blast, or something similiar...
>
>John Kendall.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:56:09 EDT
From: Keithjmoon70@aol.com
Subject: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
Hello all,
I don't know how to begin, except to say that anyone that thinks that Pete
and Roger made the wrong decision to go on is a moron. An idiot. A know
nothing.
I have never been to a better Who show in my life. I was in the 5th row
right in front of Pete and next to Roger and they kicked ass from the first
chord to the last windmill of listening to you.
The crowd was unbelievable. Everyone was on their feet and everyone sang
LOUDLY! Roger was all smiles. Pete had that look in his eye that genuinely
said thank you. He said in the TKAA break that the first time he played a
guitar in the States was in Ann Arbor Michigan. We roared. And roared.
- -And did I tell you that we roared?
They said that it was the largest crowd to date. At the end Roger said that
it was the best crowd. What energy!!
Robert Plant was much better thatn when I saw him in Boston. He also had a
good communication with the crowd. He wisely encored with Whole lotta love
instead of with a song from his new album.
Then The Who came on and blew him away. They were ferocious. Pete was so
tall. His face was so determined and Roger's was so happy. Zack boomed,
And Boomed. I could here Pino this time and he was great. They each looked
me in the eye at some point in the show and it was fabulous.
Highlites were... Shit. every song they played. Then It got unreal
starting
with My Generation, then WGFA Then the Tommy encore. Me and my son were
looking at eachother in disbelief at this point. Who are these dudes?
Naysayers, Shut the fuck up.
Jon in Mi.
No new songs. Same set list.
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:59:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: thewho rocks <leb905@yahoo.com>
Subject: [none]
Soundcheck photos at PT.com. It's looks chilly. Hope everybody took a
jacket along for the trip.
http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/projects/thewho/main/diary/display.cfm?id=90&;
zone=diary
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:07:02 -0700
From: "An English Boy" <peter_dennis_blandford_townshend@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:
Thanks for the heads-up!
AEB~
>
>Soundcheck photos at PT.com. It's looks chilly. Hope everybody took a
>jacket along for the trip.
>
>http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/projects/thewho/main/diary/display.cfm?i
>d=90&zone=diary
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:33:45 -0400
From: "william sturm" <hapijac@msn.com>
Subject: Re: another Who shouldn't go on review
They sound fine to me so far. I think as a band they will miss jae's
creativity. But they can do with what thay have and actually thrive on it
too
because they have options that weren't there before> Bill
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From: Sroundtable@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:09 PM
To: TheWho@igtc.com
Subject: another Who shouldn't go on review
> Any group of musicians can make "we won't get fooled
> again" reasonably rousing. It takes four true
> believers, pooling their talents, to make "hope I die
> before I get old" mean something.
>
Again, has this guy seen them on this tour? And what does "review" style
approach mean? Playing their hits? What does he want them to play? EF and
ATD weren't what I'd call big hits. Neither was Sea and Sand. This is
another writer spouting poorly researched opinions. I'm tired of it,
frankly, but thank you to Brian for always posting them here. We don't tell
him this enough (at least I don't).
mc
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:58:39 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
Thanks for the review, Jon. You're the first one in.
:)
keets
>I don't know how to begin, except to say that anyone that thinks that
>Pete
>and Roger made the wrong decision to go on is a moron. An idiot. A know
>nothing.
>
>I have never been to a better Who show in my life.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:06:32 -0400
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@adelphia.net>
Subject: positive
Mark L said "Just where I hoped The Who would never go...into a cycle of
tours and live albums. Ah, well, even the greatest heroes can fall...but I
find it sad. When does it become Pete Townshend and the Original Who?" and
"...some try to move forward and be positive, as we (and many others on this
list) do. This thing, this urge to progress, is something I've always found
in Townshend's songs. Again I have to wonder how any Who fan can be
regressive, but I have to accept the evidence of my eyes."
Does anyone see a contradiction here? I do.
Where is the positivity in your view of the current Who, Mark? I see no
evidence of any.
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:51:05 -0400
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@adelphia.net>
Subject: reviews
mc said "This is another writer spouting poorly researched opinions. I'm
tired of it, frankly,"
There is something very funny about your arguing with people who won't argue
back with you. I never tire of it. Please keep it up :-D
One of our senior listers (Mark) holds this same view. Perhaps you might
like to debate him on the subject of whether the band should continue or if
they are betraying their "legacy". I have. His conclusions are the
opposite of mine, but he's got a right to his opinion. He won't change his
mind. Neither will I. I suspect you are equally stubborn.
BTW, how do you know what research this writer has done? I don't agree with
his conclusions or his conjecture, but it looks to me like he's got his
facts straight. Calling the current act a "review" is a perfectly valid
word. How did you decide that "review" = "hits"? There is no hint of your
definition in the article. You've twisted his words. Would "retrospective"
work better for you? It means the same thing as review. The band has no
new songs, which implies that the set lists are review.
mc said "...thank you to Brian for always posting them here. We don't tell
him this enough (at least I don't)."
You might want to tell him directly or post your thanks to another list. He
doesn't read this one.
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:11:55 -0400
From: magik <magik1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Who makes the Who the Who?
> >Subject: Re: Who makes the Who the Who?
We are the Who Too!
> >> and its treatment of musicians as interchangeable
> >> parts -- can't hope to approach the same energy and sense of
> >> purpose that distinguished the original Who.
Hehehehehe!
> >From: "Schrade, Scott"
> >Funny how thousands of fans do not subscribe to
> >this guy's opinion. Who's right? Us or him?
> "O'Neal, Kevin W." wrote:
> Numbers don't lie!
I guess he doesn't know about the Fountain of Juice. If they only sold it in
stores... Sorry, they only give it away at the shows. LOL!
magik
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:31:14 -0400
From: magik <magik1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
> You know I did remember all you guys Majik, but couldn't figure out
> which one was George. Now that explains alot, there was no George. You
> just stole his balloons :)
> Sandy
I coulda if I was at Mansfield. ;-) But, as George understands, they were
taken by Kevin, Scott & Stu, like an olympic torch, taken to Camden.
Guys, did you take them to Hershey?
magik
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:01:22 EDT
From: Jdtr006@aol.com
Subject: Re: ****PNC + JB PRESHOWS*****
George...will you be parking in the VIP section? .......Sandy
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:59:41 -0400
From: magik <magik1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Name calling gets completely out of hand
Jeff House wrote:
> I am now King of thewho@igtc.com
> No one would dare challenge my authority now!!!!
You need a Who show quickly. Oh yeah, 7 days, right? LOL!
magik
ps- may Buck R.I.P.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:56:10 -0400
From: "Scott Schrade" <schrade@akrobiz.com>
Subject: More Info On The Live CD's
Repost from O&S about the live series of CD's being offerred by Eel Pie. At
the time of this post, only the Detroit show was available for ordering.
*****
price is listed as "16 pounds"....i think that is about $24 (about 2x higher
than i had hoped they would sell 'em for...going to charity though
supposedly...in any case better than giving $$ to bootleggers)
there is additional charge of shipping + VAT (if in the UK)
i went ahead and ordered a copy & it charged 4 pounds additional for the
shipping, bringing the total to 20 pounds, or about $30 (ouch)
artwork looks very similar to what pearl jam did (simple brownish design,
like LIVE AT LEEDS now that i think about it)
more info from http://www.themusic.com/thewho/images/faq.jpg
Q: How long will it take to receive the CDs I purchase?
A: Your order will be held until the product is shipped. Your card will be
debited immediately prior to shipping. Allow 28 days for delivery. Mostly it
will be much quicker but we need to allow for any delays in domestic postal
systems.
Q: Will there be a complete box set for sale inclusive of all the concerts?
A: We are considering a box to hold the CDs for those that buy the complete
series. It would contain some value added bonus items. It will depend upon
your response to the Encore Series.
Q: Can I buy these in stores or at the concert venues?
A: NO only on the internet via TheMusic.com.
Q: Are these limited editions?
A: Yes, they are absolutely limited edition, you will be able to buy them
only as long as quantities last.
Q: What charities will the profits be given to?
A: All profits will go to a number of bona fide young peoples' charities
supported by The Who . Specifics to be announced.
Q: How can I pay for it?
A: You can only pay by credit card over the internet.
Q: Will there be vinyl issues?
A: Nothing is planned at this time.
Q: Can I pay in dollars?
A: You will be charged in sterling but your credit card company will bill
you in your national currency.
Q: Can I change details on my order?
A: Customer must check the order details before posting as it cannot be
changed after its been processed.
Q: How are the CDs being sent to customers?
A: In the USA via UPS Ground Service. For the rest of the world shipping
will be via Airmail.
Q: I need another question answered?
A: Contact customerservice@themusic.com.
*****
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:01:02 -0400
From: "Scott Schrade" <schrade@akrobiz.com>
Subject: Re: Name calling gets completely out of hand
> I called him a liar. He called me a bonehead. I called him an
> asshole. He called me a fucking asshole. I slashed his throat with a
> beer bottle. He died.
Did he die? I thought he was last seen crawling into the woods shouting,
"I'll be back! You haven't heard the last from me!"
LONG LIVE THE BUCK!!
- - SCHRADE in Akron
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:59:26 -0400
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@adelphia.net>
Subject: Give me the juice, baby
Magik Billy said: "You need a Who show quickly. Oh yeah, 7 days, right?
LOL!"
You've got that right.
That post does appear a little strange in the light of day. Maybe I should
lay off the Carbona ;-)
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:27:42 -0400
From: "Scott Schrade" <schrade@akrobiz.com>
Subject: Re: reviews
> BTW, how do you know what research this writer has done? I don't
> agree with his conclusions or his conjecture, but it looks to me like
> he's got his facts straight. Calling the current act a "review" is a
> perfectly valid word.
See, I thought the author's use of the word "review" meant the bloated tours
of '89 & '96. But you may be right. One of Webster's definitions of
"review" is "A summary of previous material or past events." In that sense,
it fits.
The author *must've* seen the CFNY performance by The Who, right? He should
know that the New Who are playing with an energy & fire not seen in years,
right? So why the negativity (rhetorical question)?
I think the guy was a Zep fan (if I may be allowed to "profile" for a
minute). He seemed to think (as many do) that Zep got it right by ending
Zep when Bonham died.
Mustn't defame the sanctity of the original group, apparently. Never mind
the fact that people in all walks of life have to "carry on" in some form or
another every day. Are we supposed to hold Rock bands to a higher moral
level in this regard? Is that before or after the drug use, drunkenness,
debauchery, &
Satan-worshipping?
"I pick up my guitar & play.....just like yesterday."
- - SCHRADE in Akron
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Mark R. Leaman" <bushchoked@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Positivity in The Who aka if they're going to release live
Who...
Does anyone see a contradiction here? I do.
Where is the positivity in your view of the current Who, Mark? I see no
evidence of any.
Jeff:
If you'd read deeper you would have seen there was no contradiction
whatsoever. I said that Townshend's words gave me the urge to go forward, in
a positive way. And that now, with this latest move and the others
proceeding it since John's death...I am disappointed by the BAND since they
no longer seem to promote this. Look, I have no problem with The Who
releasing live music for charity, or for their own finanical benefit for
that matter...but what they could do (which IMHO would be a LOT more
positive) is release some of the 2000 tour shows WITH ENTWISTLE (thus also
assuring his family some additional income, as well) or better yet some of
the 1971-72 shows we know they taped or 1975 we can be pretty sure they
recorded.
I see other ways, in my opinion positive ways, for the band to do something
like this, if that's what they are going for. Instead I guarantee the more
music they release from the new tours, the less we'll ever see from the Moon
period. I mean, think about it. Except for a few songs here and there, most
of what's been released from the band w/Moon has been from 1970. Post-Moon
live material, on the other hand, abounds. From Who's Last to Blues To The
Bush, there's tons of it. More "greatest hits" collections, too. Before they
broke up, exactly two (MBBB and Hooligans) and since too many to list,
culminating (so far) with Ultimate...which, BTW, is hardly "ultimate" at
all.
I'm not going to lie...that would make Jim right, and he's not...so if I
don't see anything positive, I'm not going to pretend it's there. See?
If you love music, check us out on the
web: www.secondgenerationscds.com
Cheers ML
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:51:36 -0400
From: "Scott Schrade" <schrade@akrobiz.com>
Subject: Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
Hey Jon,
Thanks for the great review!
I have a few questions:
1. Was "Who Are You" still early in the set? Like fourth?
2. Did Pete talk a lot in between songs? Or just a few words here & there?
3. So "Bargain" was played? Not "I Can See For Miles?
4. Is Pete still jumping around, doing the pogo, & generally going nuts when
he plays?
5. Any mention of Entwistle from Pete or Roger?
Thanks.
- - SCHRADE in Akron
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:19:20 -0400
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: reviews
Schrade said "Mustn't defame the sanctity of the original group, apparently.
Never mind the fact that people in all walks of life have to "carry on" in
some form or another every day. Are we supposed to hold Rock bands to a
higher moral level in this regard? Is that before or after the drug use,
drunkenness, debauchery, & Satan-worshipping?"
Yup. He seems to want to objectify and idealize the artist/celebrity. This
is very similar thinking to Mark's "legacy" idea. Here's a sample from
Mark: "Instead I guarantee the more music they release from the new tours,
the less we'll ever see from the Moon period."
Revisiting the past would not be a healthy reaction to John's death.
The band and their principal partners are doing exactly what they should be
doing now: living in the present as much as they can. It is clear from
their performances that they are doing just that. Releasing recordings of
the present day performances is another great example that they are
concentrating on the present. If they went back and started wading through
past shows, they would get bogged down in nostalgia. They need to keep
moving forward. Some day when they are truly finished, the time would be
right to go back and mine the vaults of live recordings.
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:49:22 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: reviews
>I think the guy was a Zep fan (if I may be allowed to "profile" for a
>minute). He seemed to think (as many do) that Zep got it right by ending
>Zep when Bonham died.
Some of this has to do with self-identity. The Who has always been a very
tight, closely held group. Both Pete and Roger have expressed their
discomfort in playing without each other. Plus, they are so tied up with
The Who identity that they can't shake it, even if they wanted to.
Plant and Page are never going to escape Led Zeppelin, either. They just
think they can.
keets
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:53:25 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Positivity in The Who aka if they're going to release live
Who...
Just face it. These guys prefer to live in the present.
keets
>Look, I have no problem with The Who releasing live music for charity,
>or
>for their own finanical benefit for that matter...but what they could do
>(which IMHO would be a LOT more positive) is release some of the 2000 tour
>shows WITH ENTWISTLE (thus also assuring his family some additional income,
>as well) or better yet some of the 1971-72 shows we know they taped or 1975
>we can be pretty sure they recorded.
>
>I see other ways, in my opinion positive ways, for the band to do
>something
>like this, if that's what they are going for. Instead I guarantee the more
>music they release from the new tours, the less we'll ever see from the
>Moon period.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: thewho rocks <leb905@yahoo.com>
Subject: photos
Matt has some photos up. Video to follow.
http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/projects/thewho/main/diary/display.cfm?id=92&;
zone=diary
LB
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:02:56 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
>5. Any mention of Entwistle from Pete or Roger?
>
>Thanks.
One more:
Yesterday was Keith Moon's birthday and someone else reported they had pics
of Keith in the the slide show this time. Was that right?
keets
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:03:51 -0700
From: "An English Boy" <peter_dennis_blandford_townshend@hotmail.com>
Subject: Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
For some of us, not to be contradictory toward keets,
Jimmy Page is best known as a Yardbird.
AnEnglishBoy~
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: thewho rocks <leb905@yahoo.com>
Subject: new material?
Repost from WhoAreYou@yahoogroups.com. What comment did Roger or Pete make
about studio work? Does anybody have the quote?
LB
>Hard to put this concert into words! It was downright awesome
baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the 2000 tour had great shows, these guys have not lost a
step at all on the '02 tour! With respect to John of course. they
even did a nice piece before the encore on the fan vision at the
Palace of Auburn Hills of John and everyone in the house stood up and
roared! Paladino filled in admirably and did a very decent job.
Simon was very low key in this show. Rabbitt was at his usual piano
pounding self. LOL. God he's good on the keys!
Starkey whaled on the drums mercifully looking like he wanted to take
them apart like his mentor did so many times.
Pete, well, lets just say Pete was ON FIRE tonight!!!!! Right out of
the gate he was hopping up and down and wind-milling his way thru the
entire show. Never letting up! He's almost 60 now? No way he acts
like it, he acts like he's 25 again!!!!!!!! The man has found the
fountain of youth!
Then there leaves the God of vocals, Roger. He proved yet again
tonight that he has the best pipes in the biz and always will. He
sounded absolutely fantastic tonight!!!! Oh, and he never let up on
his trademark "scream" on WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!
They played nearly all of their hits from the beginning until the
80's and even in the encore gave us the entire 4 and a half hour
Tommy opera in 20 minutes! A medley if you will. What a gas!!!
There is no way these guys should ever quit touring, these guys will
sound just as good in their 60's as they did in their 20's!!!
This concert was fun, fun, fun. No doubt a repeat performance of 2000
when they came to the Palace here. There was even mention after the
concert of them as this current unit going into the studio and
churning out new material.
Give it to us guys!!! We need more WHO!!! I know I sure do!!
Btw...
The Plant opener was very good as well. Plants' new material is quite
fresh and sounds real good! I am impressed. He and the band performed
a few new tunes and did one from Roberts' 80's solo trip and then
performed 4 Led Zep songs. Very good and he sounded great and looked
well, you all know.LOL.
This concert was top notch and I recommend any of you to catch it
when it comes to your town!!!
Indeed, you will not be dissappointed!
LONG LIVE ROCK!!!!!
George
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:10:04 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
Oh. Sorry. ;)
keets
>For some of us, not to be contradictory toward keets,
>Jimmy Page is best known as a Yardbird.
>
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:09:14 -0400
From: magik <magik1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Give me the juice, baby
Jeff House wrote:
> Magik Billy said: "You need a Who show quickly. Oh yeah, 7 days,
> right? LOL!"
>
> You've got that right.
> That post does appear a little strange in the light of day. Maybe I
> should lay off the Carbona ;-)
Hmmm...you mean Carona? Do you take it with a slice of lime? I hope Buck
isn't like Freddie Kreuger!
magik
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:23:33 -0700
From: "An English Boy" <peter_dennis_blandford_townshend@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
Hey Kid!!
It's cool, I'm just an old rocker who-> goes back that far.
;-)
See, in my view, it goes like this:
Clapton joins Yardbirds on guitar '63
Clapton quits Yardbirds '65 ~ Jeff Beck joins on guitar Samwell-Smith on
bass quits Yardbirds '66 ~ Page joins on bass Page switches to 2nd lead
guitar '66 ~ Dreja switches to bass Beck and Page both on lead guitar '66
Beck quits Yardbirds late '66 Page leads Yardbirds late '66 thru early -68
Yardbirds dissolve '68 Page continues with New Yardbirds thru '68/'69 New
Yardbirds become Led Zeppelin with addition of Plant '69
so
No Yardbirds = No Zeppelin
so
Jimmy Page is a Yardbird ! ! ! ;-)
AnEnglishBoy~
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>From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: thewho@igtc.com
>To: thewho@igtc.com
>Subject: Re: Regarding Jimmy Page's Zep Rep
>Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:10:04 +0000
>
>Oh. Sorry. ;)
>
>keets
>
>
>>For some of us, not to be contradictory toward keets,
>>Jimmy Page is best known as a Yardbird.
>>
>>AnEnglishBoy~
>
>
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Mark R. Leaman" <bushchoked@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: If they're gonna release live Who...
> Just face it. These guys prefer to live in the present.
Keets:
That's fine, as long as the past has been properly represented as well. Then
again, "too much of anything is too much for me." One show from this tour
would suffice, don't you think? What are they, the 21st Century version of
the Grateful Dead all of a sudden? And in the meantime, for at least two
years we know of, the KBFH tapes...that's the DC/Philly 1973 shows for
anyone who doesn't know...already remixed and remastered and ready for
release...sit idle in some room, collecting dust. The Who at their prime as
the single best live Rock band in the world VS Who's Left with a newbie bass
player...no contest in MY mind. Hell, if they want to raise money for
charity, which one would you say will raise more money?
If you love music, check us out on the
web: www.secondgenerationscds.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:27:54 -0400
From: magik <magik1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Tonight's show at the Palace of Auburn Hills
Scott Schrade wrote:
> I have a few questions:
>
> 1. Was "Who Are You" still early in the set? Like fourth?
>
> 2. Did Pete talk a lot in between songs? Or just a few words here &
> there?
>
> 3. So "Bargain" was played? Not "I Can See For Miles?
>
> 4. Is Pete still jumping around, doing the pogo, & generally going
> nuts when he plays?
>
> 5. Any mention of Entwistle from Pete or Roger?
This fellow named Doug has a Detroit review that Matt posted on the PT chat
board. Doesn't seem to be the same show that Jon reviewed.
magik
Doug's Review:
Like many of you I had my WHO day planned well in advance. My wife and I got
to the Palace around 530pm so that we could take advantage of the
pre-concert party. At 730pm we got inside and took our most excellent seats
in the 2ND ROW. Yes 2nd Row. I have never seen the WHO so close before and
boy was I looking forward to it. After a brief video intro the WHO took the
stage and they seemed to come out swinging. No smiles just pure
musicianship. Roger's voice has never been better. I recommend seeing this
show for that reason alone. In addition, Roger appeared to be this evening's
frontman, for Mr. Townshend had very little to say. In fact, from my vantage
point Mr. Townshend looked as if he wanted to be anywhere but on stage. He
rarely broke a smile and said nothing more than a few words and when he did
it was towards the end of the show. In fact, his lack luster attitude began
to effect me and those around me. I can understand how performers can have
"off nights" but with everything that's happened (John's passing) you'd
think that the major players in the band would go out of their way to
promote a positive atmosphere. Don't get me wrong, musically Pete was
strong. As were Zak and Rabbit and Simon and Pino. But the lack of
enthusiasm in Pete Townshend was enough to spoil the event for me. Even when
the TOMMY encore came, Pete seemed to do his utmost to avoid eye contact
with the audience. He seemed tired. I'm not sure what a WHO day consists of
but you'd think that Pete could muster enough energy and, if need be, pop a
few happy pills, to make it through a 2 hour show. Pete...you ruined the
night for me and several others! But alas Roger, the consumate frontman sang
and appeared to enjoy himself.
All hail Witchblade! Peace, Doug
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