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Keith's birthday was 23rd AUGUST and NOT September! Please, get the facts
rights. Thanks.
NM
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Subject: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #317
The Who Mailing List Digest
Tuesday, November 20 2001 Volume 08 : Number 317
In this issue:
Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
Re: Repost (RAH shows)
Re: Repost (RAH shows)
La Jolla track listing
Re: Pshychoderelict, Quad and Puppetry on stage
it is early, so shoot me.
Radiohead Who reference?
Re: Radiohead Who reference?
Attention: Beatle Bashers
Re: Who at RAH
Re: zak vs ringo
Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
Re: Scoop 3 Review
Re: zak vs ringo
RE: A Scoop of Zak vs. a scoop of Ringo
Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
Zola Turn from Burlington, VT USA
Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
Outer Body LLama - Jed
Keets' Pencil Grip and Pictures of Lily
RE: zak vs ringo
Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
RE: Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
FW: Won't Get Fooled Again
Re: Attention: Beatle Bashers
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:22:07 EST
From: FELDMT@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
I was playing drums recently on "open-mic" night and after playing
flawlessly
another guy who had drummed earlier in the evening, and who no doubt was
jealous of my talent, said, "you use too much arm and shoulder when you
drum"
to that dickhead I said "hey, look at Kieth Moon, he used alot of arm and
shoulder, too and he was the greatest drummer ever." I bet Kieth had to
listen to a lot of flak like that as well. By the way the recent book by
Fletcher states Kieth was born in 1946, however he dosen't back it up with
any evidence such as viewing the birth certificate. Other sources say Kieth
was 31 when he died, meaning he would have been born in 1947. I know it is a
trivial point - but who is right? I'd like to know.
Jon, in LA
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:00:18 +0000
From: John Hughes <john@pureneasy.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Repost (RAH shows)
Lela, re
> > "A string of concerts have been arranged for the Albert Hall on
> > February 4-9 2002 with proceeds benefiting the Teenage Cancer Trust.
> >
> > The Who will do at least one of those nights which will be Tommy,
> > Roger promises. That will be a big deal as we haven't done Tommy in
> > England without all the guest stars for a long time"
>
> I'm confused about how this is going to work. Is anybody following
> this better than I am?
Probably not:-) Blame it on the Who's well known inability to remember
anything factual:-) ("YBYB, our last hit in 1979" comes to mind)
I thought I'd posted this to O&S when I got the magazine a month ago,
but obviously not.
> I thought TED had reserved the hall February 4-9, but then in
> different interviews Roger says The Who will do either one or two
> nights, and likely one of them will be TOMMY. Is that right? Who's
> doing the other four nights? Various guests? Pete? Eddie Vedder?
The only way to know what nights are booked is to contact the Albert
Hall direct. Frankly, considering that the dates are only 11 weeks away,
the lack of any press announcement and ticket sales is of more interest.
My guess is that if the shows go ahead, then the Who will do one or two
nights. Whatever else happens, I doubt the Who will do five nights.
Cheers,
John
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:53:50 +0000
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Repost (RAH shows)
> > I thought TED had reserved the hall February 4-9, but then in
> > different interviews Roger says The Who will do either one or two
> > nights, and likely one of them will be TOMMY. Is that right? Who's
>doing the other four nights? Various guests? Pete? Eddie Vedder?
>
>The only way to know what nights are booked is to contact the Albert
>Hall direct. Frankly, considering that the dates are only 11 weeks away,
>the lack of any press announcement and ticket sales is of more interest.
Yeah, really. As usual, it sounds like anyone interested in going would
have to make arrangements at the last minute. For anyone in the U.S., it's
a long way to go.
keets
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:47:57 -0800
From: "Brian Cady" <cadyb@home.com>
Subject: La Jolla track listing
>From Pete's site at:
http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/pr_display.cfm?id=286&zone=pr
The release date of Pete's La Jolla shows on CD will now be Friday 23rd
November, a day later than previously announced.
The shows, which took place in June of this year, were recorded at La Jolla
Playhouse, as a fundraiser for the theatre. Pete performed the shows solo
and the intimate atmosphere led to a 'Storytellers' type of show. As well as
the different set lists both nights also provide some unique dialogue.
The tracklisting is:
22nd June 2001
CD 1
Pinball Wizard
Let My Love Open The Door
Heart To Hang Onto
Cut My Hair
Slit Skirts
Drowned
Greyhound Girl
Tattoo
The Sea Refuses No River
CD2
St James Infirmary
Eminence Front
Won't Get Fooled Again
Behind Blue Eyes
Won't Get Fooled Again (electric)
Total running time: 89:08 minutes
Source: Soundboard
23rd June 2001
CD1
Pinball Wizard
Let My Love Open The Door
Heart To Hang Onto
Cut My Hair
Slit Skirts
Drowned
Greyhound Girl
Tattoo
Collings
Eminence Front
CD2
Sheraton Gibson
Won't Get Fooled Again
I'm One
Behind Blue Eyes
Driftin' Blues
Eyesight To The Blind
Won't Get Fooled Again (electric)
Total running time: 97:49 minutes
Source: Soundboard
Matt Kent
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:59:03 -0500
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pshychoderelict, Quad and Puppetry on stage
From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
re: Quad on stage: "I'm thinking the movie would be a better starting point
for a Broadway show than the rock opera. It's got a fairly definite
progression, if not a plot, and you could hit the high spots on stage.
Party, fight with mom and dad, party, vomit at work, party, fight on the
beach, party, have sex, party, take train to Brighton, crash, rebirth.
How's that?"
If that happens, I may switch over to the Mark Leaman camp of 'OH NO! Don't
do that to my Quad!'
This is a huge whole in the movie. All plot, no depth. Robbed of the inner
turmoil in Jimmy's head, it becomes just a nostalgia piece. I hope the
stage version can avoid this fate.
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:13:12 -0500
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@hotmail.com>
Subject: it is early, so shoot me.
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@hotmail.com>
"This is a huge whole in the movie."
This sentence would make much more sense if I had left the 'w' out of whole
:-)
I guess Fang is right, there is stupidity on this list :-)
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:24:53 -0500
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@hotmail.com>
Subject: Radiohead Who reference?
I'm listening to a relatively new Radiohead song called "Pop is Dead". I
think it is a B-side on one of their recent singles. I'm not sure, as I
downloaded an MP3. Great tune.
The lyrics sound very "Long Live Rock" to me. Biting references to old
popsters are pretty cool. Here are the lyrics
<http://www.inkblot.co.uk/elysium/lyrics/popisdead.html> Did anyone else
catch this?
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:33:27 -0500
From: "Jeff House" <whocasa@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Radiohead Who reference?
Another correction.
This song was released in 1997.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:28:38 -0800 (PST)
From: lee wallace <sprockethome@yahoo.com>
Subject: Attention: Beatle Bashers
Imagine that you look at a Beatles newsgroup and see
this;
"the Who sucked most of the time anyway. They never
had anything worth a crap since Rough Boys and isn't
Pete Townshend a fag anyway? He said so in an
interview. That windmill thing and tearing up the
drumkit was all they ever had, and they obviously
stole that stuff from Jimi Hendrix."
WELL, this is what most of the Beatles bashing posts
look like on our little Who newsgroup. It is
embarrassing to see otherwise good folks wearing their
ignorance and prejudice so proudly.
And as for Ringo - Billy Cobham, Miles Davis, Bob
Marley, Stewart Copeland, Roland Kirk and Max Weinberg
make up a short list of the A+ musicians that have
gushed in print about the subtle genius and (here's
that word) innovation in Ringo's work.
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:23:59 EST
From: Hanicram45@aol.com
Subject: Re: Who at RAH
"A string of concerts have been arranged for the Albert Hall on
February 4-9 2002 with proceeds benefiting the Teenage Cancer Trust.
The Who will do at least one of those nights which will be Tommy, Roger
promises. That will be a big deal as we haven't done Tommy in England
without all the guest stars for a long time"
Does anyone organize or offer a package for tickets, hotel, possible
reception for fans from other countries like I have seen on the Slowhand
Digest? Regards, Ceenie >^..^<
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:21:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Lucas Bleicher <lbleicher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: zak vs ringo
Rich wrote:
>> Well, he was the first drummer in a Rock & Roll
band
>> to really get noticed.
> Sure, but does that make him an innovative drummer,
> just because he got noticed?
I once heard a guy (I think it was a drummer from a
famous hard rock band, but I'm not sure) saying that
Ringo was the first true rock drummer (because before
the Beatles era most rock drummers played much more
like R&B drummers). That's not totally true (in fact
there were a few guys before him that did what
nowadays is common in rock drumming, as the drummer
from The Ventures), but this show that he did had his
importance. If we listen carefully to the Beatles
material, there are some really interesting drum
lines. In fact Ringo did some experimentations that.
> If we were talking about someone like Buddy Rich, I
> wouldn't think twice about it.
It's really not fair to compare rock and jazz
musicians. If we do that, even John Entwistle would be underrated...
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:32:45 EST
From: GenWalk83@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
keith died before his birthday, on september 6th I believe. his birthday is
on september 23rd.
also, since it seems you're talkin about ringo here, I noticed that ringo
has
been using some elbow moves while drumming these days (saw him at jones
beach
earlier this year). like it gives it a little shove, teasing like. just
thought you might wanna know that keith hasn't been the only one. and hey,
who cares? as long as the drummer can keep a beat, he's a good drummer. i'm
a
drummer also.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:06:26 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Ciggaar <ciggaar@warande.net>
Subject: Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
Hi all,
Of all the trips I ever made to see The Who or the JEB, THIS WAS THE
BEST!!! (and I've seen some spectaculair shows, if some remember my
previous reviews)
Jeff House arranged a date for me with a friend of his. She was going to be
my date for the Mohegan Sun Casino show. But we got along so great even
before we even met in person, she picked me up from Logan airport and had
been together ever since. Literally, the longest time we spent apart
must've been 15 minutes all during my stay in the USA. She took away the
breath I was keeping for sunrise...
On with the show... Jeff House drove me & Courtney (that's her name) from
Boston to the Mohegan Sun Casino. Arriving there at a motel we where all
staying, we bumped into my friends Terry and Cynthia! By total coincidence
almost *ALL* the who-fans where staying in the same motel that night! I'm
bad at some names, but the McMullans where there and Alan McK too! Amazing
coincidence. AND GUESS WHAT! They went to the show too! WAAAH!! :-)
We queued up in the casino. This was like a big amusement park with
electronic wolves. The JEB was playing in this giant tipi in the center of
the casino. I was lucky, I got a good seat on the floor, though it was on
the far left though (John had his ass in front of my most of the time, but
I was very close to the stage anyway). Supposedly the front section was
reserved for the Mohegan natives (and high rollers I presume). I'm not a
high roller, I'm a rock and roller! :-)
Steve spotted me and shouted "BA-DA-BJORN!" (running joke between the JEB
and me). Nice to be acknowledged. :-) Mark (the roadie) taped a setlist to
the floor, so I went up and read it... HOLY F*CKING SHIT! They where gonna
open with MY GENERATION! And end up with LONG LIVE ROCK! And somewhere in
between my favourite song LOVE IS A HEART ATTACK! WOAH!
Suddenly I realized how unromantic it is to take your date to a JEB show,
with songs about how evil women are, prostitutes and what a pain love can
be... Oh well... The irony. :-)
Songs that stood out that night for me where Sparks (some older who fans
bursted out crying, and I turned silent as well...). Sparks was so amazing
that night. John mentioned that he did a soundcheck earlier that day
somewhere else (MSG ofcourse) and Godfrey said: "Yeah, FOXWOODS!" (the
competing casino).
Love is a heart attack was amazing too. As always... During the "Death is
nature's way, of telling you to stop"-part Godfrey strummed his guitar in a
reggea-rythm. Very strange, but it sounded perfect. Again they went into
"Eminence Front". I heard later that John actually wrote the guitar part
for that song, showed it to Pete, Pete took it over and wrote the song.
John remained uncredited. So that's why he put it in that song "Love is a
heart attack" (how appropriate and scary if you think about it).
Godfrey made this comment to me about me coming all the way from
Switzerland... No; Norway... Sweden? :-)
Some guy in a sloppy shirt walked up to the stage and stood in front of
John all by himself. Steve pointed him out and said: "Hey, you didn't have
to dress up for this show!". :-)
"The Real Me" really rocked. My girlfriend really liked that one. That
*and* "Trick of the Light" (was I alright?). :-)
Boris the Spider was very good. I like the creepy part that they inserted.
I think it came from a classical piece, but dunno what exactly (can someone
help me out there?).
They ended up with Godfrey playing the national anthem. All the people
rised, took off their hats, etc.. I got chills there as well... I felt more
American then I actually am... By that time most people had walked up to
the stage. Right after that Steve shouted out "LONG LIVE THE USA! LONG LIVE
ROOOOOOCK!!!". And they bursted out in a glorious version of "Long Live
Rock".
After the show the band came out and I got to talk to them and hang out
with them for a bit (which is always much fun). And got my picture taken
with me, my girlfriend and John...
BTW; John looked very well. Very clear... Very healthy. He was at the best
I have ever seen him. *SOBER*. :-)
More to follow later (JEB @ BB King's - feat. Magik Billy!)... BTW; I'm
selling out; anyone interested in WHO vinyl check out a .zip file with
scans of what I'm selling at:
http://www.warande.net/~ciggaar/whoptrd.zip
(the money is going to a roundtrip Boston for Christmas)
Long live rock!
Bjxrn
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:44:23 -0500
From: lewinski@icanon.com (Joe Lewinski)
Subject: Re: Scoop 3 Review
Schrade,
Thanks for the comprehensive review. 5 great songs is a bargain.
Scoop 3 is now on my shopping list.
Joe in Philly
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:51:29 -0700
From: Rich <legalize@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: zak vs ringo
In article <20011120022116.95054.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com>,
Lucas Bleicher <lbleicher@yahoo.com> writes:
> > If we were talking about someone like Buddy Rich, I
> > wouldn't think twice about it.
>
> It's really not fair to compare rock and jazz
> musicians.
Well I wasn't comparing them, I was just saying that yeah, I can
easily see Buddy Rich as being innovative. Maybe its just that I can
only look at the Ruttles^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBeatles in retrospect that I
can't see what's innovative about Ringo. Famous? Yeah. Made a big
splash? Yeah. Innovative? Err.. sorry.
When I think of innovative rock drummers I think of Moonie, Neal Pert,
even John Bonham, but never Ringo. Sorry.
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:48:45 -0500
From: "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org>
Subject: RE: A Scoop of Zak vs. a scoop of Ringo
>From: Sroundtable@aol.com
>Subject: eng boy- this may be true, but
>
>> Ringo's drumming is perfect, and suited for the songs
>> he played upon.
>>
>> He has alway been under-rated, under-appreciated,
>> and, like Charlie Watts of TheRollingStones, perfectly
>> suited for the songs and band he performed with.
>
>there is no way Ringo could ever have been the Who's drummer due to shere
>difficulty. but keith was a fucking special drummer and
>arguably the best rock drummer ever.
Oh hell, I can't resist (despite my better judgement).
What Englishboy wrote above is completely accurate. And Sroundtable, you're
preaching to the choir here.
>he <Moon> launched a genre- not ringo.
Oooo, I don't know about that. Remember, it's just my HO, but I see it as
Ringo launching the genre, and Keith just taking it and running with it like
no other drummer before or since.
To me, Ringo opened the door of funny, wacky, mad-cap, zaney, flashy,
personality and drumming. Keith just took it to the extreme. I say "just"
as if I'm belittling his accomplishments. Nothing could be further from the
truth.
>From: "Scott Schrade" <schrade@akrobiz.com>
>Subject: Scoop 3 Review
>
>My SCOOP 3 arrived today!
Bastard!
>It was a bit squished from the Eel Pie
>postal packaging. Phooey. What're you gonna do?
Buy a new Jewel case!
>Two CD's. Cardboard, fold-open "case."
Awe hell. There goes that idea.
>11. Sea & Sand - Wonderful! More QUAD demos, please! Brilliant!
I always find QUAD demos to be incredible. Haven't heard one yet that I
didn't like. Wouldn't mind hearing the entire album via Pete's own demos.
It would give the original a run for it's money (ok ML, let me have it!!!
;-)
>I hate Bruce Springsteen.
Funny, where and when I come from, you could only belong in one camp.
Either The Who, or Bruce. The Bruce camp (at least to us Who campers) were
the goodie-goodie's trying to be cool and liking rock 'n roll. They didn't
"party"! How cool could you be???? And they *didn't* know rock 'n roll
(damn posers!).
We Who campers were the ones 'out in the field', literally, carrying the
torch of the late 60's.
I never doubted your Who loyalty for a moment, Scott.
>Final Grade: B-
Thanks for the review!!
Kevin in VT
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:51:20 EST
From: Lilac6420@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
Moonie was born on AUGUST 23rd, 1946. His "mum" told Tony
Fletcher...supposedly!
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:11:58 -0500
From: "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org>
Subject: Zola Turn from Burlington, VT USA
Just gotta share.......
Sitting out on my now plexi-glass insulated screened porch this past Sunday
with our friends from down the road, having returned from the annual
"Huntington Hunter's Breakfast" (It's hunting season don't cha know, and the
local Baptist church kicks out the most killer breakfasts for hunters and
others who just like to eat good grub).
The female from this couple, Julia, is the bassist for a very good local
band called Zola Turn (sister is lead guitar and singer/songwriter).
So, were chattin' it up, and Julia suddenly turns to me (like, 'holy shit, I
forgot to ask you this!!') and asks if I saw the Concert for NY on VH1 last
month (Julia's been out of town recording a new CD)(oh yeah, and she knows
I'm a Who Nut).
My reply was, "are you fucking kidding me?? Of Course I saw it."
She began to rave about The Who. Statements like, "they clearly stole the
show", and "I wanted them to keep playing" just about had me out of my seat
hugging her. Further statements of "man, that was one of the most emotional
sets I've ever seen" had me confirming my feelings and looking at my wife
like "see, see, it's not just me". Questions like "who was that drumming?"
had me going into the history of the last tour, which she missed!!!!
When they left (hey, much winter preps to get finished before the snows
return), they left with BIG smiles and my copy of IOW and a 2000 tour show.
Can't wait to hear their review.
If interested, below is the link to Zola Turn's web site.
This band really rocks. Highly recommend their last CD "Ninja Jane".
http://www.zolaturn.com/
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the wife and I caught CAKE in Montreal last
Sunday. As expected, a great show despite the mostly French speaking crowds
repeated statement of "Sheeps" for plural Sheep ("Sheep-s go to heaven,
Goats go to hell"). The singer even stopped the singing to say "It's Sheep,
not Sheeps by the way".
Pretty funny.
Anyway.
Stay in Tune,
Kevin in VT
<<Zola Turn from Burlington, VT USA.url>>
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:15:15 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Ciggaar <ciggaar@warande.net>
Subject: Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
Hi all,
Of all the trips I ever made to see The Who or the JEB, THIS WAS THE
BEST!!! (and I've seen some spectaculair shows, if some remember my
previous reviews)
Jeff House arranged a date for me with a friend of his. She was going to be
my date for the Mohegan Sun Casino show. But we got along so great even
before we even met in person, she picked me up from Logan airport and had
been together ever since. Literally, the longest time we spent apart
must've been 15 minutes all during my stay in the USA. She took away the
breath I was keeping for sunrise...
On with the show... Jeff House drove me & Courtney (that's her name) from
Boston to the Mohegan Sun Casino. Arriving there at a motel we where all
staying, we bumped into my friends Terry and Cynthia! By total coincidence
almost *ALL* the who-fans where staying in the same motel that night! I'm
bad at some names, but the McMullans where there and Alan McK too! Amazing
coincidence. AND GUESS WHAT! They went to the show too! WAAAH!! :-)
We queued up in the casino. This was like a big amusement park with
electronic wolves. The JEB was playing in this giant tipi in the center of
the casino. I was lucky, I got a good seat on the floor, though it was on
the far left though (John had his ass in front of my most of the time, but
I was very close to the stage anyway). Supposedly the front section was
reserved for the Mohegan natives (and high rollers I presume). I'm not a
high roller, I'm a rock and roller! :-)
Steve spotted me and shouted "BA-DA-BJORN!" (running joke between the JEB
and me). Nice to be acknowledged. :-) Mark (the roadie) taped a setlist to
the floor, so I went up and read it... HOLY F*CKING SHIT! They where gonna
open with MY GENERATION! And end up with LONG LIVE ROCK! And somewhere in
between my favourite song LOVE IS A HEART ATTACK! WOAH!
Suddenly I realized how unromantic it is to take your date to a JEB show,
with songs about how evil women are, prostitutes and what a pain love can
be... Oh well... The irony. :-)
Songs that stood out that night for me where Sparks (some older who fans
bursted out crying, and I turned silent as well...). Sparks was so amazing
that night. John mentioned that he did a soundcheck earlier that day
somewhere else (MSG ofcourse) and Godfrey said: "Yeah, FOXWOODS!" (the
competing casino).
Love is a heart attack was amazing too. As always... During the "Death is
nature's way, of telling you to stop"-part Godfrey strummed his guitar in a
reggea-rythm. Very strange, but it sounded perfect. Again they went into
"Eminence Front". I heard later that John actually wrote the guitar part
for that song, showed it to Pete, Pete took it over and wrote the song.
John remained uncredited. So that's why he put it in that song "Love is a
heart attack" (how appropriate and scary if you think about it).
Godfrey made this comment to me about me coming all the way from
Switzerland... No; Norway... Sweden? :-)
Some guy in a sloppy shirt walked up to the stage and stood in front of
John all by himself. Steve pointed him out and said: "Hey, you didn't have
to dress up for this show!". :-)
"The Real Me" really rocked. My girlfriend really liked that one. That
*and* "Trick of the Light" (was I alright?). :-)
Boris the Spider was very good. I like the creepy part that they inserted.
I think it came from a classical piece, but dunno what exactly (can someone
help me out there?).
They ended up with Godfrey playing the national anthem. All the people
rised, took off their hats, etc.. I got chills there as well... I felt more
American then I actually am... By that time most people had walked up to
the stage. Right after that Steve shouted out "LONG LIVE THE USA! LONG LIVE
ROOOOOOCK!!!". And they bursted out in a glorious version of "Long Live
Rock".
After the show the band came out and I got to talk to them and hang out
with them for a bit (which is always much fun). And got my picture taken
with me, my girlfriend and John...
BTW; John looked very well. Very clear... Very healthy. He was at the best
I have ever seen him. *SOBER*. :-)
More to follow later (JEB @ BB King's - feat. Magik Billy!)... BTW; I'm
selling out; anyone interested in WHO vinyl check out a .zip file with
scans of what I'm selling at:
http://www.warande.net/~ciggaar/whoptrd.zip
(the money is going to a roundtrip Boston for Christmas)
Long live rock!
Bjxrn
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:17:42 -0500
From: "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org>
Subject: Outer Body LLama - Jed
Some of you who have met my good buddy (and main Who buddy) Stu, may be
interested in the link below to his band Outer Body Llama. They've finally
gotten pictures of him on the site (was a 3piece, and now there are 4!).
Notice the bad-ass Gibson SG monster Bass??? That 'aint no accident!
Also the 'Day in the Garden' T-shirt? Hey, we weren't there to see Lou
Reed!
http://www.outerbodyllama.com/stu.htm
Enjoy!
Spreading WHO were ever I go.......
Kevin in VT
<<Outer Body LLama - Jed.url>>
[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which
had a name of Outer Body LLama - Jed.url]
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:58:35 -0700
From: Sigel James Civ 10 ABW/LGCW <James.Sigel@usafa.af.mil>
Subject: Keets' Pencil Grip and Pictures of Lily
Scott:
>C'mon, keets. Get a grip. (Saw that one coming up Main St.)
>
>Actually, I think the standard grip is fist-grip with the left hand &
pencil-grip
>with the right hand. But the whole thing is like a baseball hitter's
stance in the
>batter's box. You approach it the way that feels most comfortable to you.
>With practice, either grip will get the job done.
>
>
>- - SCHRADE in Akron
I have to lean a little more towards Keets on this one. You are both right,
but she's a little more on, and I'll tell you why... I think her
description of holding the drumstick (not like Henry the VIII) is a little
ambiguous - instead of referring to it like holding a "pencil", try
imagining the grip like holding a fork with Emily Post hanging over your
shoulder. Right handed or left handed only matters on the drummer itself,
not the technique. However, the proper ettiquette involved in holding a
fork (stuff of which I've only heard of as I eat with my hands, feet and
mouth) is the same way "traditional" drummers used to hold their drumsticks.
YOU are right when you say it's like a hitter's stance in baseball, but that
only applies to recent history. Keets is right because she referred to
Ringo's use of a fisted (heh-heh) grip. Before Ringo, Keith, and the
"modern" musicians, music teachers absolutely would not have let a pupil
hold the sticks, strum the guitar, play the piano in any other way than the
"proper" way. Along came those damn rebel rockers of the 60s and unorthodox
was IN. Remember too, that in the 60s, people who were left-handed like
myself were forced to become right handed in schools. That same mentality -
especially in ultra conservative England in the early 60s - had to apply in
music schools too. Do you remember Jimmy's father in the film version of
"Quad" when the Who were on Ready Steady Go? Remember what he said to Jimmy
about Pete? "Is that how you play a guitar now?" I'm sure classic music
teachers of the era might have said the same thing about Ringo's technique.
When Keith came along, I'm sure they all quit anyway.
I like your batter's analogy, but I don't think it applies until much later
on in the timeline. Before Ringo - YOU MUST HOLD THE STICKS CORRECTLY OR
DIE. After Ringo (and Keith, et al) as long as you can keep a beat, you can
hold the sticks up your ass if you'd like. See the difference? See that
awesome mental picture I just painted!?! How do you play the ride cymbal
with the stick poking out of your rectum? Sorry, I've lost my train of
thought now...
Anyway, another question: There was mention of Keith's Pics of Lily drums
the other day. Some day (Santa says if I'm good) I'm going to have a custom
made set of drums and I want to have a complete replica of Keith's Lily
drums. Does anyone on the list know where I might get this done? I could
go into Skizzie's Music store and order them, but something tells me I might
have to contact the manufacturer. Keith's POL drums were Premier I think
but I don't care who makes them as long as they can do it. Any ideas....?
Peace off Wholigans!
Jim in Colo Springs
"...magically bored on a quiet street corner; free frustration in our minds
and our toes..." PT
(Perhaps the greatest description of teen life that I can find anywhere.)
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:40:51 +0100
From: Kees van Impelen <impelen@wxs.nl>
Subject: RE: zak vs ringo
Listen to the first real R&B /rock / jazz drummer: Ginger Baker. Early
60th: Blues Incorporated an Graham Bond Organisation.Maybe Keith learned
something from him. Let's stop this rubbish about Ringo: just listen to his
son.
Kees in Zeist
- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Lucas Bleicher [SMTP:lbleicher@yahoo.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2001 3:21
Aan: TheWho@igtc.com
Onderwerp: Re: zak vs ringo
Rich wrote:
>> Well, he was the first drummer in a Rock & Roll
band
>> to really get noticed.
> Sure, but does that make him an innovative drummer,
> just because he got noticed?
I once heard a guy (I think it was a drummer from a
famous hard rock band, but I'm not sure) saying that
Ringo was the first true rock drummer (because before
the Beatles era most rock drummers played much more
like R&B drummers). That's not totally true (in fact
there were a few guys before him that did what
nowadays is common in rock drumming, as the drummer
from The Ventures), but this show that he did had his
importance. If we listen carefully to the Beatles
material, there are some really interesting drum
lines. In fact Ringo did some experimentations that.
> If we were talking about someone like Buddy Rich, I
> wouldn't think twice about it.
It's really not fair to compare rock and jazz
musicians. If we do that, even John Entwistle would be underrated...
Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:07:28 EST
From: GenWalk83@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V8 #316
oh yeah, that's right. sorry. i'll be fine. ha!
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:46:37 +0100
From: Kees van Impelen <impelen@wxs.nl>
Subject: RE: Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
Great Bjorn, I loved your review. I am waiting to hear the other parts of
your story.
Kees, your nextdoor neighbour
- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Bjorn Ciggaar [SMTP:ciggaar@warande.net]
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2001 12:06
Aan: oddsandsods@thewho.net; thewho@igtc.com; petetownshend@egroups.com
Onderwerp: Bjorn in the USA (yay! yay! yay!) - Mohegan Sun review
Hi all,
Of all the trips I ever made to see The Who or the JEB, THIS WAS THE
BEST!!! (and I've seen some spectaculair shows, if some remember my
previous reviews)
Jeff House arranged a date for me with a friend of his. She was going to be
my date for the Mohegan Sun Casino show. But we got along so great even
before we even met in person, she picked me up from Logan airport and had
been together ever since. Literally, the longest time we spent apart
must've been 15 minutes all during my stay in the USA. She took away the
breath I was keeping for sunrise...
On with the show... Jeff House drove me & Courtney (that's her name) from
Boston to the Mohegan Sun Casino. Arriving there at a motel we where all
staying, we bumped into my friends Terry and Cynthia! By total coincidence
almost *ALL* the who-fans where staying in the same motel that night! I'm
bad at some names, but the McMullans where there and Alan McK too! Amazing
coincidence. AND GUESS WHAT! They went to the show too! WAAAH!! :-)
We queued up in the casino. This was like a big amusement park with
electronic wolves. The JEB was playing in this giant tipi in the center of
the casino. I was lucky, I got a good seat on the floor, though it was on
the far left though (John had his ass in front of my most of the time, but
I was very close to the stage anyway). Supposedly the front section was
reserved for the Mohegan natives (and high rollers I presume). I'm not a
high roller, I'm a rock and roller! :-)
Steve spotted me and shouted "BA-DA-BJORN!" (running joke between the JEB
and me). Nice to be acknowledged. :-) Mark (the roadie) taped a setlist to
the floor, so I went up and read it... HOLY F*CKING SHIT! They where gonna
open with MY GENERATION! And end up with LONG LIVE ROCK! And somewhere in
between my favourite song LOVE IS A HEART ATTACK! WOAH!
Suddenly I realized how unromantic it is to take your date to a JEB show,
with songs about how evil women are, prostitutes and what a pain love can
be... Oh well... The irony. :-)
Songs that stood out that night for me where Sparks (some older who fans
bursted out crying, and I turned silent as well...). Sparks was so amazing
that night. John mentioned that he did a soundcheck earlier that day
somewhere else (MSG ofcourse) and Godfrey said: "Yeah, FOXWOODS!" (the
competing casino).
Love is a heart attack was amazing too. As always... During the "Death is
nature's way, of telling you to stop"-part Godfrey strummed his guitar in a
reggea-rythm. Very strange, but it sounded perfect. Again they went into
"Eminence Front". I heard later that John actually wrote the guitar part
for that song, showed it to Pete, Pete took it over and wrote the song.
John remained uncredited. So that's why he put it in that song "Love is a
heart attack" (how appropriate and scary if you think about it).
Godfrey made this comment to me about me coming all the way from
Switzerland... No; Norway... Sweden? :-)
Some guy in a sloppy shirt walked up to the stage and stood in front of
John all by himself. Steve pointed him out and said: "Hey, you didn't have
to dress up for this show!". :-)
"The Real Me" really rocked. My girlfriend really liked that one. That
*and* "Trick of the Light" (was I alright?). :-)
Boris the Spider was very good. I like the creepy part that they inserted.
I think it came from a classical piece, but dunno what exactly (can someone
help me out there?).
They ended up with Godfrey playing the national anthem. All the people
rised, took off their hats, etc.. I got chills there as well... I felt more
American then I actually am... By that time most people had walked up to
the stage. Right after that Steve shouted out "LONG LIVE THE USA! LONG LIVE
ROOOOOOCK!!!". And they bursted out in a glorious version of "Long Live
Rock".
After the show the band came out and I got to talk to them and hang out
with them for a bit (which is always much fun). And got my picture taken
with me, my girlfriend and John...
BTW; John looked very well. Very clear... Very healthy. He was at the best
I have ever seen him. *SOBER*. :-)
More to follow later (JEB @ BB King's - feat. Magik Billy!)... BTW; I'm
selling out; anyone interested in WHO vinyl check out a .zip file with
scans of what I'm selling at:
http://www.warande.net/~ciggaar/whoptrd.zip
(the money is going to a roundtrip Boston for Christmas)
Long live rock!
Bjxrn
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:10:51 -0500
From: "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org>
Subject: FW: Won't Get Fooled Again
Below is my letter to Mr. Lefsetz, the gentleman who did the emotional
review for Encore of The Who at The Concert for NY.
I'll keep you "posted" on how the discussion goes.
Kevin in VT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Neal, Kevin W.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:07 PM
> To: 'lefsetz@aol.com'
> Subject: Won't Get Fooled Again
>
> Hi Bob,
> I've got a question for you.
> What were you thinking when you wrote "They <The Who> put out what many
> consider to be the best rock album EVER, "Who's Next", and then they
> didn't know what to do." ?
> I mean really, what were you thinking? I was beginning to think you were
> a real fan of The Who, but then I tripped, stumbled and fell all over the
> above statement.
> Here's a second question. Does the album "Quadrophenia" mean anything to
> you? Quadrophenia is considered by most Who fans to be the greatest album
> The Who ever made. If making Quadrophenia is an example of what a band
> does when they "don't know what to do", then damn, let The Who be that
> clueless in the future.
> Bob, I could feel your belief in The Who Religion coming through loud and
> clear in your letter. Please, I beg you, give me some reason for what you
> wrote. Apologize, say you were confused, say *you* didn't know what to
> do, say you were having a bad day, but say something that I can take back
> to Who legions to explain your blunderous error. We want to keep you in
> the army, but you're making it very difficult....... hell, downright
> impossible with disrespecting Quad.
> Anxiously awaiting your thoughts.
> Kevin W. O'Neal
> P.S. They did kick fucking ass, didn't they. :-)
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:56:43 -0500
From: "Scott Schrade" <schrade@akrobiz.com>
Subject: Re: Attention: Beatle Bashers
> It is embarrassing to see otherwise good folks wearing their
> ignorance and prejudice so proudly.
Well, a lot of it is jealousy because of the Beatles' unwavering popularity.
But I think the majority of people on this list recognize & respect the
talent
of the Beatles.
- - SCHRADE in Akron
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