Re: The Gods must be crazy; Zep must be crazy; Pop culture must be crazy too

["Mark R. Leaman" <mleaman@sccoast.net>]

> associated with the rock genre.  I guess I need to clarify what I'm
thinking
> about.  There are a couple of levels of rock demigods.

Keets:

Don't you mean "Semigods?"

> Elvis? (not quite rock?)

Rock N Roll not Rock.

> maybe it was because they showed plant so much and he was so obviously
doing
> daltrey and that clouded my judgement.  PT stomps all over Page with
> everything considered.

Kevin Mc:

Actually, it's been said that Zep was having an off night. They WERE better
when I saw them in 1975 (two years after the movie was taped), but I also
saw The Who that year and there was no comparing the two.

> that, but LIVE ? Theydon't even come anywhere close! Nobody does plain
> and simple, pure and easy !Regards,Derick.

Derick:

I must contest that, despite the fact that you probably saw the band live
early on and I didn't, but bootlegs of Zep in 1969 show they were (at that
point) as good live as The Who. It didn't last too long, but credit where
it's due.

> Okay, assuming we throw out the idea that Led Zeppelin went looking for a
> Daltrey look-alike in the first place,

Keets:

I wouldn't be as quick as John H to do that...because they were definitely
out to get Entwistle and Moon, so who knows if they hadn't spoken with
Frampton (who was hanging out with Marriot at the time) first? Sammy Hagar,
maybe?

> It does hold water that Jim Morrison was earlier

I don't see where you get this...The Doors got together 2 years after The
Who were already a recording band.

> He is the man.

Jeff:

What about Joe Jackson? He said he was the man.

>than the Who who are equally as good if not different.

John & Kevin:

Zep, at their best (Z III and HOTH) were still not in the same league as The
Who. The Kinks were, on their best (Arthur & Muswell Hillbillies, perhaps
also Something Else & Village Green Preservation Society), and there are
other bands who (from time to time) reach the same level The Who dwell
on...but Zep is just not one of them.

> allowed himself and his play to deteriorate over the years.  Peee-Eeewww.

Page & Black Crowes: a classic example of someone embarrassing themselves.

> >and a drummer who was certainly an equal of
> >Moon's, if not in wit and style certainly in solidity.

No chance in Hell. Or wherever they are.

> Please, if this is true, can someone out there guide me to a live boot, or
a

Contact me privately. As I said earlier, they had their moments. Definitely.
None after 1970, or before 1968 (because they didn't exist).

> >They also deserve credit for instantly disbanding when John Bonham died.

And being absolute asses about it? Nope. And then coming back together
without the man who literally saved their career after P&P drugged
themselves into oblivion?
I have to give The Who credit, even if they did make a poor choice.

> Well, were talking about semantics now.  Where does one draw the line at
> being a "fan"?

Knowing the band's output beyond their two most popular albums would be a
start, I think.

> We're Who-Nuts for crying out loud!

Your point being?

> I think most simple "fans" probably have never heard of Sunrise.

Simple as in Simple Simon, who was feeble minded? I might be able to buy
this argument...keep going...

> As long as the misinformation is positive about The Who, then I don't
care.

Even when it writes off the greatest Rock album ever recorded????

> I don't really give a Zepp's ass.

It would have been more appropriate to say "I don't give a monkey's."

> I just want more, and I want the whole world to
> finally acknowledge that THE WHO (not Zepp, or The Stones, or even The
> Beatles) were and are the greatest band ever.
> Is that too much to fucking ask???

No, I might ask the same...but we're not going to get it writing off Quad,
are we?

> interested. But she did think it was pretty cool).

Maybe she was just being friendly.

> I'll try to sponge some of the sarcasm out of my argument and do this
again.

Jeff:

Ah, you take all the fun out of it!

> As I've bashed before, rock is not an island.

But is it a peninsula? That's the question.

> pop culture that encompasses other media and sounds.  The Who did not walk
> down from a mountain with a holy tablet of the main tenents of rock.

Yeah, they did. I saw it. I've got it on videotape (and you can't have a
copy, Dave and Bruce!).

> OK.  I understand the model.  Roger ala Tommy is definitely the largest
> phallus of this group.

But that would mean Pete and John are the balls? OK, I can almost see that.
And Keith is the sex drive? The Viagra of the band?
Well, they did do a song called "It's Hard."


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