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The Who Mailing List Digest Tuesday, May 25 1999 Volume 06 : Number 127 In this issue: Re: re-Before I get Old RE: The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #126 Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #126 Bargain Re: Learning curve; Agreeing with Keets a lot; Hiding out Re: British Rock Symphony re-Dave Marsh Re: re-Dave Marsh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:11:34 -0400 From: Brian Cady <cadyb@home.com> Subject: Re: re-Before I get Old Derick Bhupsingh wrote: > My major objection of > and about this book is that Marsh is a blood sucking hypocrite > who has made his living off people like The Who and has the gall > to say nasty things about them in the book all the whilst > seemingly forgetting what a wonderful journalistic life They > and many others have given him. Yeah, I'd say that's my feeling about him as well. Marsh has done as much damage to The Who as he's benefited them with his fandom. If anyone wants more fodder for Marsh-bashing, I highly recommend "The Mansion on The Hill" by Fred Goodman which covers how Jon Landau and Marsh manipulated Springsteen to sell a certain image of him. -Brian in Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:21:58 -0400 From: "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@vtmednet.org> Subject: RE: The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #126 The version of Bargain heard on the radio wasn't from scoop. I heard it too. It was a great live version by The Who. Would love to get a copy. Kevin new to list. > -----Original Message----- > From: TheWho-Digest-Owner@igtc.com [SMTP:TheWho-Digest-Owner@igtc.com] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 12:53 AM > To: TheWho-Digest@igtc.com > Subject: The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #126 > > > The Who Mailing List Digest > Sunday, May 23 1999 Volume 06 : Number 126 > > > > In this issue: > > Before I Get Old > Re: Before I Get Old > Re: Before I Get Old > A Night to Remember > Re: Before I Get Old > re-Before I get Old > Bargain question > Bargain > re: Jay Sanderson > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:25:43 EDT > From: LWest1962@aol.com > Subject: Before I Get Old > > When I met Roger in 1984, I asked him to sign Before I Get Old and he > refused. He said it was the worst book written about The Who. He was quite > > upset about it. I was surprised. He did sign everything else for me > though. > What an incredible man!!! > > Long Live The Who!!! > Lisa > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:38:12 -0400 > From: Brian Cady <cadyb@home.com> > Subject: Re: Before I Get Old > > Here's Roger on Dave Marsh's book: > > I've read in Dave Marsh's book where it talks about John and I wanting to > get > Keith out of the band. It's really not true. You have to remember that > most of > that book is really an interview with Pete, when Pete was very bad on > drugs. By > Pete's own admission he's a compulsive liar. > > The truth of what was happening there is we had to make a record and we > had to > get it finished. John and I were quite prepared to get in another drummer > to > finish the record, which is not the same as getting Keith out of the band. > It > was a totally different thing. It was totally, totally untrue. > > This had been going on for a long time where we had to deal with these > problems > when Keith took the overdose of the monkey tranquilizer in San Francisco > and we > seriously had to consider what we could do. We had this whole tour > booked, can > we do it? Keith couldn't even walk for three days then. We did seriously > consider getting another drummer in to get us through. You do those > things to > keep together as a band but you never, ever talk about getting rid of the > bloke. I mean, the Who without Keith Moon? Who do they think we are, > f***ing > mad? There's no truth in that at all. But I will admit to saying that we > might > have to get another drummer in to finish this record. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:07:56 -0400 > From: "Mick Buck" <bucku@surfsouth.com> > Subject: Re: Before I Get Old > > Lisa, > > > >When I met Roger in 1984, I asked him to sign Before I Get Old and he > >refused. He said it was the worst book written about The Who. He was > quite > >upset about it > > Sounds like Marsh must have struck a nerve! > > Mick > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 06:33:51 -0700 > From: Tim Herrlinger <tjherrlinger@ucdavis.edu> > Subject: A Night to Remember > > No, I'm not talking about an ocean liner sinking. Last night was KaBoom! > A Bay Area radio station (KFOG) has an annual fireworks show (formerly > called Sky Concert) as part of a listener appreciation celebration. > Hundreds of thousands of people lined the San Francisco waterfront to > witness a remarkable pyrotechnics display synchronized to rock and roll. > We were treated to modern innovations showcasing incredible new firework > displays (featuring bursts of light that were linked together in clumps > that looked like falling arcs, multicolored smiley faces that appeared to > be exploding emoticons, etc.). But of course the best part was the > finale. > After several different artists' music was featured, the sky was dark and > the air was quiet. Suddenly the piano cords for Love Reign O'er Me rang > out and the sky ignited once again. This time there were gold sparkles > that rained from the heavens and seemed to last forever. It was as if the > entire hemisphere over the earth was aglow in shimmering embers. As the > crescendo of The Who's song built, the intensity of the bursts increased. > Roger's scream accompanied the final explosions of everything they'd been > saving for the end. After the last note, I turned to another Who fan, the > most special person in my life. She and I just looked at each other, our > mouths wide open in awe of what we had witnessed. It was certainly a > night > to remember. > > Tim Herrlinger > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:23:52 -0700 > From: Joseph <joseph9@home.com> > Subject: Re: Before I Get Old > > Brian Cady wrote: > > > > Here's Roger on Dave Marsh's book: > > > > I've read in Dave Marsh's book where it talks about John and I wanting > to get > > Keith out of the band. It's really not true. You have to remember that > most of > > that book is really an interview with Pete, when Pete was very bad on > drugs. By > > Pete's own admission he's a compulsive liar. > > > > The truth of what was happening there is we had to make a record and we > had to > > get it finished. John and I were quite prepared to get in another > drummer to > > finish the record, which is not the same as getting Keith out of the > band. It > > was a totally different thing. It was totally, totally untrue. > > > > This had been going on for a long time where we had to deal with these > problems > > when Keith took the overdose of the monkey tranquilizer in San Francisco > and we > > seriously had to consider what we could do. We had this whole tour > booked, can > > we do it? Keith couldn't even walk for three days then. We did > seriously > > consider getting another drummer in to get us through. You do those > things to > > keep together as a band but you never, ever talk about getting rid of > the > > bloke. I mean, the Who without Keith Moon? Who do they think we are, > f***ing > > mad? There's no truth in that at all. But I will admit to saying that > we might > > have to get another drummer in to finish this record. > > > > > > Hahahaahahahahahahahahhahaha!!! That is HILARIOUS! Very logical > thinking by Roger as well! When there are potentialy MILLIONS of > dollars as stake, you have to take the high road!! > > > > > > > Joseph Manfredi > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:00:56 PDT > From: "Derick Bhupsingh" <circles01@hotmail.com> > Subject: re-Before I get Old > > Hi All, Dave Marsh (hueyelclch,excuse me while I puke!) does write > all in all a pretty good book,however as Brian points out there > are a few mistakes and the like therein. My major objection of > and about this book is that Marsh is a blood sucking hypocrite > who has made his living off people like The Who and has the gall > to say nasty things about them in the book all the whilst > seemingly forgetting what a wonderful journalistic life They > and many others have given him. > Marsh suggests or implies that the > 1982 'Farewell tour' was one that The Who did only for the money. > What Rubbish. How ignorant can the man be? AS USUAL, The Who > paved the way and pioneered the way for corporate sponsorship > of rock concert tours amongst other things as well as saying > goodbye (at the time) to the fans. > Furthermore,Marsh suggests that > The Who should have stopped altogether either earlier or at the > time the book was written,calling for them to do so and not come > back for any 'special occasion' as someone within the band had > said. What gives Marsh the right to tell others what to do with > their lives? What did he expect Four of The world's biggest Rock > Stars from the World's Greatest Band to do,become travel agents > or something? The Who never said to Marsh 'you should stop writing' > There was no way that they could stop either playing or making > music,it's in their blood. The Who profession is Rock band, > Rock Star, whatever you want to call it,Musicians,etc... They > threw most of their life into it, why should they stop because > Marsh says so. > Marsh writes and or researches the book at the flat > of Chris Chappel, then longtime Who assistant to Bill Curbishley. > Must have taken a while. Wonder if he paid any rent or did he > leech off The Who again. > Regards, Derick. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:31:03 -0400 > From: Maureen Ireland <maureeni@bellatlantic.net> > Subject: Bargain question > > One of the local radio stations here in Pittsburgh played a version of > Bargain with Pete Townshend on vocals (Played after they mentioned it > was his birthday). I have never heard this version before, and thought > all you knowledgeable Who people could help me out. I would like to know > which recording this was from. I've been a Who fan since high school > when Quadrophenia came out (guess I dated myself there) but I have just > started to collect solo material from the members in the last couple > years, and am wondering if its from a Pete solo project. Also want to > add that I been getting the digest for the last couple months and am > impressed with everyones knowledge about this great band. Thanks for all > the info. > > Maureen > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:40:42 -0400 > From: "Lisa" <lisaann@niagara.com> > Subject: Bargain > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEA521.DA4C7460 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Maureen, > The version of Bargain you heard is probably from a Pete album called = > Scoop. It is excellent and contains his demo recordings for many Who = > tracks as well as some unreleased songs. =20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEA521.DA4C7460 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > > <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Maureen,</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The version of Bargain you heard is = > probably=20 > from a Pete album called Scoop. It is excellent and contains his = > demo=20 > recordings for many Who tracks as well as some unreleased songs. =20 > </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEA521.DA4C7460-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Geoffrey Mountford <geoffmount@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: re: Jay Sanderson > > Just a quick line in reply to Jay Sanderson. > I,ve just finished reading "Dear boy": The life of Keith Moon and > thought it was a brilliant read. Once you pick it up and start reading > you cannot put it down.The depth in which Tony Fletcher has gone to > ,to create such a book is awesome.In my lifetime I have never had the > opportunity to meet the legendary Keith Moon but reading the book > makes you think like you,ve known Keith all of your life.Maybe i am > biased because i think that Keith was the Who, the heart and sole of > the group and after his tragic death i felt they were no longer the > Who as such. > Geoff Mountford,Staffs, England > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > > End of The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #126 > ****************************************** > > To unsubscribe to The Who Mailing List, send mail to majordomo@igtc.com > with > the following in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe thewho-digest > > Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.igtc.com in > /pub/pmm/thewho. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:06:37 PDT From: "gern blanston" <gernblanston67@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #126 You can't blame Marsh for writing his opinion. Just because he spent lots of his career writing about The Who doesn't mean that everything he writes about them has to be nice. How realistic would that portrayal be? Especially about a band that has done everything in the book (from corporate sponsorship, spotty tours in '82 and '89, and touring without any new album to support) to debunk their own legendary status!? As for the motivation behind the /82 tour, I believe it was Pete himself who, when asked what the tour meant to him, replied in essence, "about $10 million," or some other astronomical number. Mook > >Hi All, Dave Marsh (hueyelclch,excuse me while I puke!) does write >all in all a pretty good book,however as Brian points out there >are a few mistakes and the like therein. My major objection of >and about this book is that Marsh is a blood sucking hypocrite >who has made his living off people like The Who and has the gall >to say nasty things about them in the book all the whilst >seemingly forgetting what a wonderful journalistic life They >and many others have given him. > Marsh suggests or implies that the >1982 'Farewell tour' was one that The Who did only for the money. >What Rubbish. How ignorant can the man be? AS USUAL, The Who >paved the way and pioneered the way for corporate sponsorship >of rock concert tours amongst other things as well as saying >goodbye (at the time) to the fans. > Furthermore,Marsh suggests that >The Who should have stopped altogether either earlier or at the >time the book was written,calling for them to do so and not come >back for any 'special occasion' as someone within the band had >said. What gives Marsh the right to tell others what to do with >their lives? What did he expect Four of The world's biggest Rock >Stars from the World's Greatest Band to do,become travel agents >or something? The Who never said to Marsh 'you should stop writing' >There was no way that they could stop either playing or making >music,it's in their blood. The Who profession is Rock band, >Rock Star, whatever you want to call it,Musicians,etc... They >threw most of their life into it, why should they stop because >Marsh says so. > Marsh writes and or researches the book at the flat >of Chris Chappel, then longtime Who assistant to Bill Curbishley. >Must have taken a while. Wonder if he paid any rent or did he >leech off The Who again. >Regards, Derick. > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: William Spencer Watson <wswatson@indiana.edu> Subject: Bargain On Mon, 24 May 1999, O'Neal, Kevin W. wrote: > The version of Bargain heard on the radio wasn't from scoop. I heard it > too. It was a great live version by The Who. Would love to get a copy. > Kevin > new to list. I assume it's the one on "Who's Missing." Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:49:43 PDT From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Learning curve; Agreeing with Keets a lot; Hiding out > > You might think that, but then there are all kinds of creative people >out there. As long as there are differences, people can look at something >and come up with a new take on it. > >OK, I'll grant you that...so where are they? Hiding out (had to say it)? >They sure as Hell aren't on the radio or MTV or VH1. All I hear is this >combined with that and it's all gone in 6 months. > They're lost in the crowd somewhere. <sigh> It's what I was complaining about. keets _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:54:37 PDT From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: British Rock Symphony They must have done okay, or else they wouldn't be going out agian this summer, right? Could be RD should have suspected conditions would be shoddy. How else could the promoter make money? keets >L. Bird wrote: > > > > This one really was designed to make money. Roger said he got paid >"very well" and you can expect the promoter planned to come out ahead as >well, likely by cutting a few corners. > >I do remember Roger saying before this tour that he thought the promoter >was very brave to tour with an orchestra since he'd (Roger) had lost his >shirt doing it four years before. > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:03:23 PDT From: "Derick Bhupsingh" <circles01@hotmail.com> Subject: re-Dave Marsh Ok, so Marsh is entitled to his own opinion. Of course, I should have acknowledged that. So the book is written,his opinions are in print. The book sells presumably well. No matter what is in there, a lot of people are going to maybe accept it as fact. Over the years and including very recently on this list a number of people ranging from Marsh's profesional colleagues to the lowly humble Who fan like me have disagreed with a lot of what he said in the book, including Daltrey. Does that not suggest something to you ? Where do we have a say ? Do we have to write a book too ? No because that's not our forte so to speak. However, we too,the persons who disagree, find fault etc... we too have an opinion and I am merely expressing it. Regards, Derick. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:46:07 -0400 From: Brian Cady <cadyb@home.com> Subject: Re: re-Dave Marsh Once again, kudos to Derick for pointing out that disagreeing with someone is not the same as calling for them to be censored. Of course, Dave Marsh has the right to say whatever he wants to say in print. That, however, does not make him immune from people getting in his face (or on this list) and calling his opinions damaging, infantile and hypocritical. -Brian in Atlanta ------------------------------ End of The Who Mailing List Digest V6 #127 ****************************************** To unsubscribe to The Who Mailing List, send mail to majordomo@igtc.com with the following in the body of the message: unsubscribe thewho-digest Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.igtc.com in /pub/pmm/thewho.
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