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Regarding Roger's appearance on "Politically Incorrect" next week,
mentioned in an earlier digest:  according to the "Unofficial" Homepage,
Rog is on Tuesday, the 18th.
Mare

At 07:53 AM 5/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>The Who Mailing List Digest
>  Wednesday, May 12 1999  Volume 06 : Number 116
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
>	Re: Topical, Rock Is Dead, 
>	ATF & Touring Quad
>	Re: ATF & Touring Quad
>	Pete cares
>	Re: Solo Roger
>	re-Pete Cares /Tour#'s
>	Re: Tour #'s
>	TV alert: Tues night Keith Moon "Behind the Music" on VH-1
>	TV alert #2: PT on "The History of Rock and Roll" on VH-1
>	Daltrey and Slash
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:36:28 PDT
>From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Topical, Rock Is Dead, 
>
>>>He wouldn't be confusing TED with the JAE band, would he?  They're going 
>>>on in the fall (but not until October).
>
>>
>>No, I was specific and he knows who I mean anyway. He was at the Raleigh 
>>show, because he was working it. Although wouldn't it be great cover for 
>>TED to book as JAE?
>
>Jokes aside, I believe somebody did point out that JAE has booked a large 
>venue for one stop on the tour.
>
>keets
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:20:55 -0400
>From: "Mark R. Leaman" <mleaman@sccoast.net>
>Subject: ATF & Touring Quad
>
>> With the fire being Keith then: 
>> After the Fire    (death of Moon)
>> The fire still burns,    (his spirit/memory/ remain) 
>
>Carla:
>
>Even so, you're talking about Keith-The-Drummer. Otherwise, "the fire"
>doesn't make sense.
>
>> I heard a vice asking what happens after the fire,    
>> (what happens now that Keith is gone)
>
>What happens to the band. This WAS a major question. Strengthens my belief
>that it's about the band.
>
>> I saw Matt Dillion in Black and White there ain't no colour in memories, 
>  
>> (some people don't dream/visualize in colour)
>
>That is a very good point.
>
>> Ha.  Funny.  Another stealth tour?
>
>Keets:
>
>They can't BOTH be touring, unless JAE is opening for TED.
>
>> What about RITH? I believe it should have been a commercial success but
>it 
>> was struck by the TED under promotion curse. Case in point you didn't
>even 
>> mention it.
>
>Stefani:
>
>You're quite right; I'd forgotten it. I'd put it with RARH and OOTB,
>because it has some very good songs and some that are somewhat forgettable.
>For me, the CD is most notable for showing that "Rog still has it." Then
>again, some of the songs prove my opinion that Rog (or the producer) has
>very poor taste when choosing songs. Days Of Light, the single, would be
>pretty good if not for that stupid and WAY out-of-date "Doo-doo-doo" crap.
>It ruins an otherwise decent song. Rog should stay away from Pop music as
>much as possible.
>
>> On the other hand,  I know several people who didn't buy another RHD solo
>
>> album after unhappily buying PSBP. BTW, Which songs do you rate good on
>PSBP? 
>
>Not having it in front of me...I like Talking In Your Sleep and the title
>track. I'm sure there are others, but given that I can't recall them tells
>you something, right? My problem with this album is the same I have with
>the first: no balls. And it's the reason I like McVICAR and UARM best.
>
>> I 'm due for another listen. 
>
>Hey, it's better than listening to Billy Squire.
>
>> I don't know about you but I saw TED do Quad 11 times in 96/97.
>
>You're quite the Whohead, aren't you? I saw only the second MSG night and
>the Raleigh show.
>You make a good point. All I can tell you is my friend who would know these
>things told me The Who only failed to sell out two US venues on that tour.
>
>> It the quality not the quantity of fans that count :-)
>
>That's also very true.
>
>> of the die-hards like us.  I saw four of the shows.  The Quad tours were
>> obviously aimed at the fanatics.
>
>Bill:
>
>QUAD was never a commercial property. I called it a "fan fantasy tour."
>Even if the band doesn't have as many fans as it used to, QUAD certainly
>has more. But I'm not sure how that actually came about; when I first got
>online, some five years ago, very few (online) Who fans considered QUAD
>their best...by the time the tour came along, it was more often the
>opposite than not. I don't know if the QUAD fans just weren't online at
>first or what. And I also wonder if the constant claiming that QUAD is
>their best online (by those of us who already felt that way) and the
>growing consensus (or so it seemed) influenced PT in any way to take it on
>the road. I remember in a AOL "event" some years ago, we were asked to
>submit questions/comments for PT to respond to (although he never did), and
>mine reflected his comment that he wondered if his music had actually had
>an effect on people. The note was all about QUAD, as you can imagine.
>However, I have no earthly if he even saw it. Later I read an interview
>where Eddie Vedder said roughly the same thing I had (oh no; more
>comparisons!) and I'm SURE Pete got that message.
>
>> As Derick says, ticket prices were prohibitively high.
>
>I don't know about that; compared to others I found them quite reasonable.
>For one thing, I got lawn seats at Raleigh for $22 each. Then, too, I
>recently purchased Simon/Dylan lawn seats in the same venue for $30 each
>(my daughter is a huge S&G fan, although I'd bet he'll do mostly Capeman
>stuff). Dylan being what he is today, I'd say the Who price was a bargain,
>the best I ever had (I paid $7.50 in 1975, and this was 22 years later).
>
>> I agree but have to add something here.  About this issue of
>> popularity/sales/attendance, Gigi asks, "Who cares?"  Pete Townshend
>> cares, that's who.  He's never been shy about saying that he goes for
>> hits, and that he cares how popular he is.
>
>You're right, but he shouldn't be. How much money does he have to have
>before he stops pursuing the almighty pound? He should relax more.
>
>
>                              Cheers                                 ML
>
>More stupid lyrics:
>
>"The Gods made Heavy Metal and they saw that it was good/They said to play
>it and we promised that we would..."
>      Manowar
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:45:39 PDT
>From: "L. Bird" <pkeets@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: ATF & Touring Quad
>
>>>I agree but have to add something here.  About this issue of
>>>popularity/sales/attendance, Gigi asks, "Who cares?"  Pete Townshend 
>>>cares, that's who.  He's never been shy about saying that he goes for 
>>>hits, and that he cares how popular he is.
>>
>>You're right, but he shouldn't be. How much money does he have to have 
>>before he stops pursuing the almighty pound? He should relax more.
>
>This isn't just venality.  It means he understands the music business--as 
>it's existed in our time, anyhow.  You have to be reasonably successful 
>before you can get backing, or contracts, or invitations, or whatever to 
>perform.  And success in the business is measured by how many albums you 
>sell.  Matters of quality might enter into the equation somewhere, but 
>that's often a matter of definition and just not the most important thing to 
>record industry executives.  Likely most of them wouldn't recognize it if it 
>fell in their laps.
>
>Times may be changing to favor the artists, but until they do, let Pete work 
>for his hits.
>
>keets
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:11:37 EDT
>From: WHOOLIGAN@aol.com
>Subject: Pete cares
>
><< It's the quality not the quantity of fans that count :-)
>
>I agree but have to add something here.  About this issue of
>popularity/sales/attendance, Gigi asks, "Who cares?"  Pete Townshend
>cares, that's who.  He's never been shy about saying that he goes for
>hits, and that he cares how popular he is.  The popularity of The Who has 
>a direct impact on how often they work, so the issue is at least somewhat 
>relevant to me.  Wanna know the main reason he hasn't made a solo album
>in six years?  Because no one bought the last one.  As much as I wish The
>Who didn't care how many people like them and would just make music
>anyway, they do care and it affects their decisions.
>
>Bill>>
>
>FWIW,
>
>At Boston/Harbour Lights Aug. 14th Pete said "When the lights came up I 
>recognized about half of you!" and smiled.  
>At Woodstock Aug. 15th Pete made a big group hug motion to our section.
>At the Aug. 16th HOB show Pete thanked us for coming, standing in line all 
>day and buying yet another ticket.
> 
> I do think this is a new thing for Pete to verbally appreciate people and 
>have fun playing. I wonder where all this would be if they were still on top 
>with billions of faceless "fans". I know I don't think I could afford to be 
>in front at every show if they were still as commercially popular. Of course 
>I can't really afford it right now but we all have our own priorities.
>
>- -Stefani  
>
>PS I do wish he would vary the set list however. ;-)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:55:50 -0500
>From: Jim Topp <jtopp@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu>
>Subject: Re: Solo Roger
>
>I said:
>
>> Maybe later we can discuss why Parting Should Be Painless
>
>> is better than Under A Raging Moon.
>
>
>Mark said:
>
>See, I don't agree with you there either. The songwriting is definitely
>stronger on UARM, not to mention the performance.
>
>
>Stefani says:
>
>That (PSBP) album is without a doubt my least liked Who related
>recording :-P. 
>
>I bought it when it came out and I've played about 5 times over 15
>years trying to find something other than the cover to enjoy about it.
>
>
>
>Then Mark said:
>
>Personally, I rate it along side CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE MOVIE. A few
>good songs, a lot of slush. All but two Daltrey solo albums (IMHO) have
>such slush in varying degrees...the two being UARM and McVICAR. After
>that would come RARH and OOTB, with the first album finishing just
>above PSBP and CWTSTM.
>
>
>Then Stefani said:
>
>What about RITH? I believe it should have been a commercial success but
>it was struck by the TED under promotion curse. Case in point you
>didn't even mention it. On the other hand,  I know several people who
>didn't buy another RHD solo album after unhappily buying PSBP. BTW,
>Which songs do you rate good on PSBP? I'm due for another listen. 
>
>
>
>Allow me to jump back in, since I started this. I listened to PSBP and
>UARM again since Mark's first response. I almost take back my
>provocative opinion. I concede that the performance and some of the
>songwriting is stronger. I just loathe Bryan Adams ("Let Me Down Easy",
>"Rebel") and like Bryan Ferry ("Going Strong") too much to totally
>agree on the songwriting issue. I've always thought "Under A Raging
>Moon" is one Roger's best solo songs.
>
>
>Stefani: It seems the record companies might agree with your opinion of
>PSBP. It's the only Who solo album not available on CD (not counting
>Roger's Best Bits, which is unneccessary, due to the bonus tracks on
>his first 3 CD's). Still, I find PSBP more listenable than Roger's
>first two. How do you rank Roger's albums? (My ranking is below.)
>
>To answer your question to Mark, I like "Walking In My Sleep," "Parting
>Would Be Painless," "Going Strong," maybe "Would A Stranger Do," and
>"Don't Wait On The Stairs," whereas the weaker tracks are "Somebody
>Told Me," and "One Day," and the rest are somewhere in between.
>
>
>Let me throw out another unpopular opinion: I find CWTSTM to be my
>favorite of Roger's (I didn't say best). While it doesn't really have
>any stand-out songs like "Under A Raging Moon" (in other words, its
>high points aren't as high as that of other albums), its slush ("Alone
>In The Night," "Take Me Home") is minimal and at the end. The
>songwriting, performances, and arrangements make it his most
>consistently listenable album. I play it more than any other CD by
>Roger, John, or Keith. So there.
>
>
>The All-Music Guide, http://www.allmusic.com/, ranks CWTSTM lower than
>all Who solo albums, including Keith's. So I guess I'm the odd one.
>Anyone else out there think CWTSTM is, at least, underrated?
>
>
>My ranking of Roger's original studio albums:
>
>1 CWTSTM
>
>2 RITH
>
>3 UARM
>
>4 PSBP
>
>4 McVicar
>
>4 OOTB
>
>7 Daltrey
>
>8 RARH
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>Stupid lyrics:
>
>"It cuts like a knife/But it feels so right"
>
>
>					Bryan Adams
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:47:46 PDT
>From: "Derick Bhupsingh" <circles01@hotmail.com>
>Subject: re-Pete Cares /Tour#'s
>
>Hi Folks. Stefani makes a very interesting point. 'We all have our
>priorities'. Too true. I too would love to be at every gig on a
>Who tour and right down the front. Trouble is for many of us it's
>not that easy any more ! You see there's this thing called work,
>why even some of us have careers and getting time off is very hard
>to do sometimes. There are mortgages or rent to pay etc...
>I personally can not afford to travel that much anyway let alone
>get the time off work. So I have to settle for maybe 8 out of 22
>or more shows etc... Over the years I have held back on my vacation
>times to the very last minute/week while my GM is having a fit
>trying to convince me to go on Holiday, hoping that it might just
>coincide with part of a Who tour.! I took  a week off without pay
>to go to Hyde Park and had to promise to bring back souvenirs
>for everyone at work, hey did not want me to take the time off !
>Not quite sure what She meant about 'Faceless Fans' but you have
>got to be realistic in this day and age, unless you're very wealthy
>or very lucky,to go to all or many gigs is simply a difficult
>objective.(I Know, I know,I'm sure there are some out there who
>managed to do it !,Reminds me of me 24 years ago ! ).
>Regards, Derick.
>
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>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:56 -0500
>From: Alan McKendree <amck@thenetdr.com>
>Subject: Re: Tour #'s
>
>At 5:53 -0700 5/11/1999, The Who Mailing List Digest wrote:
>>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:46 EDT
>>From: WHOOLIGAN@aol.com
>>
>>I don't know about you but I saw TED do Quad 11 times in 96/97. I know
>>several other people who saw them many more times than that. I wonder how
>>this skews the numbers. How many people were seeing multiple shows in '82
and
>>before. Alan?
>
><snort>Huh? What?<yawns, scratches>  I didn't start seeing multiple shows
>until 1989. Saw 18 then; saw 17 '96 Quads and 9 '97 Quads.  However,
>(although I have
>no numbers to back this up) my feeling is that the group of people seeing
>multiple shows isn't statistically significant in the aggregate ticket
>sales.  I'd be happy to see real figures on this but I suspect it'd be
>impossible to gather reliable data.
>
>Alan
>Be sure to read _McKendree: A Burning Novel of Murder and Revenge_
>by Douglas Hirt, ISBN 0-8439-4184-7  (available at www.amazon.com)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:36:20 -0700
>From: "TI Consulting" <ticonsulting@email.msn.com>
>Subject: TV alert: Tues night Keith Moon "Behind the Music" on VH-1
>
>Good Afternoon Campers!
>
>VH-1 will be repeating the "Behind the Music" documentary on Keith Moon
>tonight, Tuesday 5/11 at 8pm PST.  Check your local listings at:
>http://www.tv1.com/previewlistings/tv1.dpg
>
>- --- Tom
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:54:43 -0700
>From: "TI Consulting" <ticonsulting@email.msn.com>
>Subject: TV alert #2: PT on "The History of Rock and Roll" on VH-1
>
>Good afternoon, campers!
>
>All week long, VH-1 is repeating the multi-part "History of Rock and Roll"
>(originally aired on PBS?).  Check your local listings because they will be
>repeating each installment several times. Especially on Thursday, Friday,
>Saturday, and Sunday.
>
>The ones that I know feature PT/Who clips and interviews are "Britain
>Invades", "Plugging In", "My Generation", and "Guitar Heroes".  Perhaps
>others?
>
>See http://www.vh1.com or http://www.tv1.com/previewlistings/tv1.dpg
>
>- --- Tom
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:53:43 PDT
>From: "Carl Gilbertsen" <strangebrew@excite.com>
>Subject: Daltrey and Slash
>
>I heard what I took to be a Daltrey song on the Loop (97.9, Chicago) a
>couple of weeks ago. But the strange thing was, afterwards, the DJ said it
>was not just Daltrey, but Slash from Guns N Roses. I think it was some
>remake of "No More Mr. Nice Guy." Is this song all over or what?
>Carl
>
>
>
>
>
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