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Hi,
Again regarding the topic of "which Pete solo songs would be good Who
songs" - I've been thinking about it a lot.  Anyway, I was just listening to
"Roger Daltrey - A Celebration - The Music of Pete Townshend and The Who".
There is a version of The Sea Refuses No River on it - sang by Roger.  It's
not bad, but I like Pete's version better.  Have you heard it, and what do
you think?
Christy
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Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 2:56 PM
Subject: The Who Mailing List Digest V5 #64


>
>The Who Mailing List Digest
>  Thursday, March 12 1998  Volume 05 : Number 064
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> Odds & Sods 1998
> Re: Odds and Sods
> Boots
> Odds & Sodds
> Re: Odds & Sod(d)s
> Re: Odds & Sod(d)s
> Odds and Sods (Picture and Note)
> Odds And Sods back cover photo
> Re:  Pete Muzaked
> Odds & Other Remixes
> odds and sods track listing
> Re: odds & sods
> MD vs CD aka Yet Another Format
> Odds and Sods
> Re: odds and sods track listing
> Re: Odds and Sods (Picture and Note)
> New Odds and Sods - liner notes innacuracies
> Inaccuracy in my own Odds and Sods notes
> O&S liner notes
> Re: O&S liner notes
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:51:50 -0500
>From: "Mark R. Leaman" <mleaman@sccoast.net>
>Subject: Odds & Sods 1998
>
>My take on the new O&S...
>
>First, the good parts. The early mono versions of Leaving Here and Baby
>Don't You Do It are essential...raw, powerful, crude, and everything The
>Who were circa 1964. Absolutely wonderful IMHO. Now I want a remixed MG
>more than ever.
>Time Is Passing is only a good Who song, but it's great to get another
>good Who song! Ditto with We Close Tonight...written by Pete and sung by
>John (with Keith), it doesn't measure up to the rest of QUAD...but I'd
>never heard it, and I'm glad I have it now.
>It's also nice to get good copies of CKMC, MW, and these versions of
>LAFK & SB. They "fixed" the drop-out on P&E.
>The bad parts, at least for me: Young Man Blues sounds slowed down. I've
>got a copy of the HOUSE THAT TRACK BUILT version, and if this is it
>they've slowed it down. The vocal isn't double-tracked either. Don't
>know why they'd do such a thing, but...anyway, I've been told privately
>it's a different version entirely, so perhaps the notes are wrong.
>I'm The Face is the fade-out-early version, also found on 30 YEARS. Mary
>Ann is in stereo but still the same version released on WM.
>It's sequenced as "chronological order," but it seems to ignore when it
>was recorded as opposed to when the song was completed for release.
>Otherwise Naked Eye would NOT be the last song, instead We Close Tonight
>or Water. Still, NE is a wonderful last song.
>Some of the material has been remixed, and it's easy to spot. They did a
>wonderful job on Naked Eye, for instance. Other songs have only been
>remastered, most notably Too Much Of Anything, Long Live Rock, and Put
>The Money Down.
>All in all, I'm happy with it. There are still 25 previously released
>songs currently out of print by my count. Not counting the MG album.
>I'll post a list if anyone's interested.
>For those of you who were saddened by the news this was the last Who
>rerelease, you will be heartened to hear that there is a strong rumour
>the King Buscuit label is working on the Largo Md. & Philadelphia `73
>QUAD shows for release.
>
>> << I could swear that this version of 'too much of anything' is different
from
>>  the version on the who's next reissue.
>
>> I did notice this, listen to the parts of each song when Roger sings "I
can't
>> remember before 49..."
>
>It is a different version, but it's the one originally released on O&S.
>
>- --
>
>            Cheers                ML
>
>   "                                     "
>                                   Meher Baba
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:48:15 -0600
>From: "Mick Buck" <buck006@austin360.com>
>Subject: Re: Odds and Sods
>
>Re: Ty,
>>P.S. Anyone know who the guy is pictured on the back of the CD, its all
>blury.
>>It looks like Moon, but I could be wrong.
>>
>I believe that's ol' Bobby Pridden, long suffering Who soundman
>extraordinaire
>>
>
>Re: Dan,
>>I could swear that this version of 'too much of anything' is different
from
>>the version on the who's next reissue
>
>The version used on Who's Next was, indeed, an alternate take which was
>mis-identified as the Odds and Sods version.
>
>Buck
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:49:10 EST
>From: JohnPerry7 <JohnPerry7@aol.com>
>Subject: Boots
>
>> I hope that's because you feel that you personally haven't lost anything
>>  from it and perhaps even gained.
>
>I've never seen a record collection containing 'my' boots that didn't
include
>all the studio albums too. No evidence whatever of official product losing
out
>to bootbuys...
>
>All the best artists condone/tacitly-condone boots anyway. A spectrum,
>strectching  right down to the extreme GD solution - provision of
soundboard
>sockets.
>
>>  I wasn't aware the Dylan Manchester show was actually stolen...it's
>>  pretty clear from the boot it had been prepared for release.
>
>Poor, poor Sony.
>
>The company who could've had it in the shops in Autumn 1966.
>
>Or 1967 - 68, 69.
>
>1970, 75,
>
>1976 perhaps - A 10th Anniversary Album ! - 81, 86, 88, 92, etc.
>
>Companies who leave artefacts of this value lying ignored for 30 years
deserve
>a financial result to match their cultural bankrupcty.
>
>jp
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:10:34 -0700 (MST)
>From: N S Boyer <N.S.Boyer@m.cc.utah.edu>
>Subject: Odds & Sodds
>
>Yesterday, when I went to go and buy my copy of Odds and Sodds, I went to
>the largest music store I know of in Salt Lake, Blockbuster Music.  They
>had not yet recieved the CD, much to my dissatisfaction.  I
>called around to some other stores and they didn't have it either.
>
>  I'm
>wondering if the truck carrying this precious material got stuck in the
>mountains in a snowstorm and are being forced to eat the Cd's ala Donnor
>Party.  That's my theory anyway.
>
>"We ain't got nothin'.  We ain't got SWEET FUCK ALL!"
>
>Nick Throwing a Temper Tantrum in Salt Lake.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:15:58 EST
>From: Wthyo <Wthyo@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Odds & Sod(d)s
>
>In a message dated 98-03-11 13:12:02 EST, N.S.Boyer@m.cc.utah.edu writes:
>
><< Yesterday, when I went to go and buy my copy of Odds and Sodds, >>
>
>Maybe it's because your looking under the wrong name. It's spelled Sods not
>Sodds. Just kidding Nick, I've caught myself spelling it wrong too.
>
>                   Ty
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:24:45 -0500
>From: "Blair M. Cummings" <blair@infi.net>
>Subject: Re: Odds & Sod(d)s
>
>That's funny, I found my copy under "WHO" <grin>
>
>
>> Maybe it's because your looking under the wrong name. It's spelled Sods
not
>> Sodds. Just kidding Nick, I've caught myself spelling it wrong too.
>>
>>                    Ty
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:33:39 -0500
>From: George Ligouri <gligouri@oxhp.com>
>Subject: Odds and Sods (Picture and Note)
>
>>P.S. Anyone know who the guy is pictured on the back of the CD, its all
>>blury.
>      It looks like Moon, but I could be wrong.
>
>I would say Bobby Pridden is the guy on the back of the CD. I think
>that's his name.Right ?
>
>Did anyone look at the picture and Pete's little note underneath the CD
>on Odds and Sodds  ?
>
>Pete said...."what's this strange omnipotent person doing on the back of
>our latest record? The right hornourable wierd bierd Pridden."
>
>Look at the picture now...how many people can you find besides Pete ?
>
>I noticed Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon as the Clown, and one of the chicks
>looks like Janice Joplin. Does anyone else see this ?
>
>I remember Pete saying in an interview or somewhere, all his friends
>died, Jimi, Janice, Keith, etc. I think the picture has something to w/
>that.
>
>Anyone else ????
>
>Later,
>- -George
>
>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:35:18 -0600
>From: Rich Bogovich <bogie@itis.com>
>Subject: Odds And Sods back cover photo
>
>Ty asked:
>
>>P.S. Anyone know who the guy is pictured on the
>>back of the CD, its all blury.  It looks like Moon,
>>but I could be wrong.
>
>On the original 12" LP cover it's easier to tell that it's not Keith.  If
>you look inside the jewel case underneath where the CD rests (at the bottom
>of the House That Track Built photo) you'll see some text that apparently
>came from Pete.  It's the same text along the right side of the photo, and
>it points to this guy as being Bob Pridden (which I didn't know until
>figuring this out yesterday--I could never make out what Pete had scrawled
>on the photo).
>
>Bogie
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:41:44 -0600
>From: Rich Bogovich <bogie@itis.com>
>Subject: Re:  Pete Muzaked
>
>Carolyn wrote:
>
>>Was on hold today for an insurance company
>>& heard the strangest thing...a Muzaked version
>>of "Hiding Out".  At first, I thought it was the real
>>thing, as the backing track was fairly close to
>>the original; but then a flute came tootling in on
>>the melody line.  Bizarre.  I can figure "Behind
>>Blue Eyes" or something like that, but "Hiding
>>Out"?  How many folks apart from Who fans
>>have even heard it before?
>>
>>Anyway, thought it might amuse you guys.
>
>What you might have heard is the rare instrumental version of this track
>(which I haven't listened to in quite awhile, so I'm not sure if it fits
>your description.  I'll have to dig it out of my collection...).
>
>This instrumental was on a 12" German single, ATCO 258 679-0, and has an
>"extended" version of the LP song on the A-side with the instrumental plus
>"Crashing By Design" on the B-side.  (On a related note, a Spanish 45 has a
>remixed version of the LP track as the A-side.)
>
>But in EITHER case (Muzak or Pete's own instrumental), you're entirely
>correct that it's very suprising that you heard this!
>
>Bogie
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:11:37 -0500
>From: "Robert VanBuskirk" <vankirk@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Odds & Other Remixes
>
>Hey Gang,
>
>Upon the doors opening of the local CD store yesterday morning, I forced
>myself past the throngs of new Clapton and/or Madonna CD buyers and found
>myself all alone in the "W" section (sad, isn't it?). I grabbed the "new"
>Odds & Sods and I'm quite pleased. I need some input on a couple of other
>things:
>
>1)  Is the remastered "It's Hard" worth a go?
>
>2)  Quite dissapointed to hear that "Sods" will be the last of any
>re-releases - Can WE do anything to slap MCA/Polydor into their senses
>     and petition for more?
>
>Thanks for your attention. Sorry to ramble so, but it's soothing to discuss
>these things with people who give a damn.
>
>"Dutch" VanBuskirk
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:13:53 +0100
>From: Vincent <imageinf@FranceNet.fr>
>Subject: odds and sods track listing
>
>could someone tell me, or to the list, if the songs of the new 'odds &
>sods' can be found elsewhere? I mean, is "leaving here" the same than in
>the "30 years of M R&B"? can someone make a listing of the songs and tell
>where i can find the songs. i already have the box "30 years of...", "the
>kids are alright" and the "67-73 rarities", all the "remastered on cd" and
>"who's better who's best", so, i wonder if there are so many unreleased
>songs.
>
>"anyway", i am sure i will buy it ! ahah
>
>thanks, vincent
>
>      "i 've never used marshall, i didnt like them"
>   Pete
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:27:05 -0800
>From: Sean Wilson <swilson@weir.net>
>Subject: Re: odds & sods
>
>Wthyo wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 98-03-11 01:03:23 EST, Thought09@aol.com writes:
>>
>> Also to who ever wrote that 'Cousin Kevin Model Child' sounds like the
>> monkies, there must be something wrong with you. This sounds a lot like
>> 'Christmas' towards the end of the song. I think it is a jamming tune.
One
>> reason it may not sound like the who to you is because it was written by
John,
>> but IMHO it is 100% Who.
>>
>
>Ty, it has nothing to do with the lyrics man.  The first part of the
>song is one thing, but then when they all start singing the chorus from
>the middle to the end -- it' the MONKEYS, man, sorry.  I listened to it
>again to be sure. Sounds nothing like christmas.  Makes we want to puke,
>dude.  Sorry -- They should've left that one in the can.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:46:56 -0500
>From: "Mark R. Leaman" <mleaman@sccoast.net>
>Subject: MD vs CD aka Yet Another Format
>
>> (Sorry for the non-Who content, but I need to say this).
>> How about MiniDiscs? I think they are great.
>
>Elon:
>
>More than anything else, I think people are tired of buying new formats.
>At the least, any CDr I make of The Who will be playable for anyone who
>has a CD player. Then too in order to get digital-to-digital one must
>also own a CD player with a digital output, whereas the computer CD
>burners write to the hard drive and back to the disc. One unit.
>MDs haven't made much headway in the US marketplace, although I
>understand they're very big in Japan. If they do "make it" in the US, I
>suppose MCA will reissue all the Who albums as "special MD versions." Oh
>BOY!
>
>- --
>
>            Cheers                ML
>
>   "                                     "
>                                   Meher Baba
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:10:15 -0500
>From: "Lisa" <lisaann@niagara.com>
>Subject: Odds and Sods
>
>Wow, lots of comments on the new Odds and Sods.  Unfortunately, it wasn't
>released yesterday here in Canada.  Luckily, I'm in a border town and am
>picking it up tonight in the U.S.  Can't wait to hear it.  I really hope
>that this is not the last re-issue.
>
>Robert:
>I would recommend picking up the re-mastered It's Hard.  It's definately
>not their finest album but does contain Eminence Front and Cry If You Want
>- - 2 great songs in my books.  Also there are 4 bonus tracks on it (all
>live) It's Hard; Dangerous; Eminence Front and Cry If You Want.  These are
>previously unreleased.
>
>Lisa
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:23:09 EST
>From: Wthyo <Wthyo@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: odds and sods track listing
>
>In a message dated 98-03-11 16:16:08 EST, imageinf@FranceNet.fr writes:
>
><< could someone tell me, or to the list, if the songs of the new 'odds &
> sods' can be found elsewhere? >>
>
>All the songs are previously unreleased, except Under My Thumb, Young Man
>Blues, and Water. These three were released as B-sides if i'm not mistaken.
>
>                           Ty
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:13:44 -0500
>From: briancady@juno.com (Brian S Cady)
>Subject: Re: Odds and Sods (Picture and Note)
>
>On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:33:39 -0500 George Ligouri <gligouri@oxhp.com>
>writes:
>>Look at the picture now...how many people can you find besides Pete ?
>>
>>I noticed Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon as the Clown, and one of the chicks
>>looks like Janice Joplin. Does anyone else see this ?
>>
>>I remember Pete saying in an interview or somewhere, all his friends
>>died, Jimi, Janice, Keith, etc. I think the picture has something to
>>w/
>>that.
>>
>>Anyone else ????
>
>Actually, it's the front cover of a sampler album called "The House That
>Track Built" that contained the studio version of "Young Man Blues" that
>was
>SUPPOSED to be on this one, but they screwed up and put another version.
>
>The original album had cuts from The Who, Hendrix, Arthur Brown, The
>Parliaments (an early version of P-Funk) and several others.
>
>
>                                     -Brian in Atlanta
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:14:51 -0500
>From: briancady@juno.com (Brian S Cady)
>Subject: New Odds and Sods - liner notes innacuracies
>
>I know I don’t know everything about The Who but I have studied
>their history now for some time and the mistakes made in the liner
>notes to the new "Odds & Sods" reissue struck me as so obvious
>and egregious that I couldn’t let it stand without a correction.  I
>just know that 2 or 3 years from now someone will say "but the
>liner notes to ‘Odds & Sods’ says…"
>
>"Summertime Blues" - the liner notes have this as being recorded
>June 28th, 1967.  This is the same date as the recording of the
>Rolling Stones Jail single which was recorded without John (he
>was away on honeymoon at the time).  The actual recording date
>in Nov. 10th, 1967.  Like "My Way," which has the right date,
>this was from a selection of tracks quickly recorded for the BBC at
>a point when The Who had decided to record their own tracks
>for their BBC appearances instead of letting the BBC do it.
>
>"Mary Anne With The Shaky Hand" - is listed as previously
>unreleased.  It is not.  It is a stereo version of the track originally
>released as the B-side to "I Can See For Miles" in the U.S.  The
>one on the reissued "The Who Sell Out" that is listed as being
>this b-side is not and is, in fact, a previously released version.
>(Whew! Got that?)
>
>"Young Man Blues" - listed as having been previously released
>on the Track sampler "The House That Track Built."  It is not.
>This is a radically different take to that one and is previously
>unreleased.
>
>"Cousin Kevin-Model Child" - is listed as having been rejected
>in favor of "Cousin Kevin."  It was not.  It was originally a bridge
>between the songs "Fiddle About" and "Cousin Kevin" and was
>removed about halfway through the recording of "Tommy."
>
>"Pure and Easy" - listed as having been recorded in March 1971.
>The original O&S listed this has having been recorded during the
> May 1972 sessions.  It might also have been recorded in late
>April, May or June of 1971, but definitely not March.  At least
> this is more accurate than the date given for this version of the
> song in the above box set where it was given as March 1973.
>
>"Postcard," "Now I’m a Farmer," "Water" and "Naked Eye" -
>This one is wild.  These songs are listed as having been recorded
>between August 14th and 16th, 1973 which would have put them
>a month and a half after the recording of "Quadrophenia" and
>a month before John began compiling the original "Odds and
>Sods!"  In fact, about a year after I first heard them on a bootleg!
>They were actually recorded in 1970, probably August (so the
>dates may be right if you substitute 1970 for 1973).
>
>These mistakes wouldn’t mean that much if information
>about The Who were readily available, but it’s not.  So
>people will rely on the information in these liner notes.
>I just wish some effort had been made to get it right.
>
>
>                                     -Brian in Atlanta
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:35:55 -0500
>From: briancady@juno.com (Brian S Cady)
>Subject: Inaccuracy in my own Odds and Sods notes
>
>Last evening, in my upbraiding of Chris Charlesworth
>for putting so many inaccuracies in the Odds and Sods
>liner notes, I made one myself!
>
>"Summertime Blues" was recorded Oct. 10th, 1967, not
>Nov. 10th as I stated.
>
>My apologies.
>
>
>                                     -Brian in Atlanta
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:10:02 -0500
>From: George Ligouri <gligouri@oxhp.com>
>Subject: O&S liner notes
>
>Did anyone read the liner notes that came w/ Odds and Sods.
>Read the notes under Naked Eye. # 23.
>
>The last sentence reads.....
>
>"Prepare yourselves, people, for The Who's next mistake ! Meanwhile,
>content yourselves with this little lot."
>
>I would assume these notes were recently written by Pete...right ?
>Maybe there gonna do another album and he was referring to it by saying
>the Who's next mistake. In the meantime listen to this (O&S) ???
>
>Anyone have any input on this ?
>
>
>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:42:04 EST
>From: Wthyo <Wthyo@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: O&S liner notes
>
>In a message dated 98-03-12 11:13:15 EST, gligouri@oxhp.com writes:
>
><< "Prepare yourselves, people, for The Who's next mistake ! Meanwhile,
> content yourselves with this little lot."
>
> I would assume these notes were recently written by Pete...right ?
> Maybe there gonna do another album and he was referring to it by saying
> the Who's next mistake. In the meantime listen to this (O&S) ???
>
> Anyone have any input on this ? >>
>
>These notes were written sometime in 1974 and published in New Musical
Express
>on September 21, 1974. They were written by Pete.
>
>                                  Ty
>
>------------------------------
>
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