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Re: My Generation/Who vs Zep/Pagey/Brainwashed




>> Really, Ian, what do you think these things do to your credibility?
>
>The fact that I'm arguing with a amatuer guitarist who can't give me 
>facts?  Find me my quote where I claimed authors are brainwashing 
>readers.  If MG slowed down isn't the blues, why is it when you slow down 
>the guitar notes during "Talking...." that it follows a 12 bar blues 
>pattern?  

Ian, Ian, Ian. It's as if your strongest argument is that I am not a
professional guitarist. As if so many years of studying the music mean
nothing. I gave you facts, and challenged you to find a pre-Generation Blues
song that sounds even vaguely like MG. Instead, you harp on the fact that I
didn't study music theory in College and am not a guitarist. Have I ever
claimed that? No. I stand on my knowledge, not my skill or what I learned in
school. You're not one of those people who believe one can only learn in a
structured environment, are you? Listening to regurgitated knowledge not
from the source, but from someone who in turn learned it in a structured
environment...there is such a thing as real life, you know.
As for your quote, I said: "Now I'm being told that my research material is
wrong! Why do I tend to doubt that?" to which you replied: "You're Just
Brainwashed." Now, since I was talking about a book...

>> But I see that now you're at least willing to admit that MG was innovative
>> in its recorded form, which is all I claimed anyway.
>
>Then why are you replying to this?  I stated this two days ago.  I never 
>had to admit anything since that's how I always stood on the issue.  

Then why do you insist on challenging it every time I write it?

>I think I've done plenty, but in this case it only needs to be heard.  When 
>Bessie Smith's "St. Louis Blues" (with Louis Armstrong) is 
>considered a breakthrough song for jazz it's pretty much an open and shut
case. 

Well, now I'm speechless. You think that was "the first" Jazz song? You've
got to be kidding! Or do you mean "breakthrough" as in commercial radio
play? That it might have been. But Hell, Jazz was around before that.

>For quick reference let's turn to the "Smithsonian Collection of 
>Classic Jazz" guide.  On page 10 we find the quote :  "Of all the
Afro-American 
>idioms in the background of jazz, by far the most important and 
>influential is the blues".  Now, you tell me who's brainwashing who?

I haven't read that, and am not tempted at this time to take an isolated
sentence, quoted perhaps out of context, as proof. What it means to me, as
you give it, is that Blues influenced Jazz. Well, of course it did. But that
certainly doesn't mean it's the source.

>Just because Townshend altered the song's temp and phrasing doesn't mean 
>it's original form isn't from the blues. 

Ian, I never said it wasn't from the Blues. I was even the one the brought
up the first, pre-demo version of MG being a "talkin' Blues" song. I said
the song as recorded by the band was different in structure. Now you're
twisting my words to argue against them. But it seems that you agree that it
was different in structure after all (whew! It took all of that to get to
this?!?).



                   Cheers                   ML

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."  L. Long