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Re: Quad reissue and TKAA
Mick, re:
>I have a tape of the original that I obtained way before it was released on
>video. If memory serves, it is only 110 minutes long.
I think it's something like 135 or 140 minutes... When MTV ran it way back
when (before the tape was out), I remember my T120 running out before the
damn thing was over...
-wf
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Amira, re:
>You're mental. Get some help . . .
hMMM... let's see... is this advice from someone who publicly posts the
following on computer message boards:
1) "I'm seeing a psychiatrist"
2) "I'm on Prozak"
3) "I'm in my mid 20's but":
a) "I live at home with my parents and work for my father, 'Doctor Boctor'
".
b) "My mother takes all my money from me."
c) "My mother took me to the JAE concert, but I don't think she'll let me
go to the next one."
4) "Who can I complain to about JAE playing so late? I don't like staying out
that late." 5) "I think I'll fill people's mailboxes with chain letters and
junk mail, 'cause they're kinda cool!
6) "I think I'll ask for directions to an international e-mail list for a
record store just downtown."
But, then again, you have much more experience in these matters, so perhaps
you're right about me!
Hope this helps...
-wf
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Gary, re:
> someone once wrote that Moon`s last great performance on an album was on
Behind Blue Eyes - I fully agree.
"Behind Blue Eyes"??? That's ridiculous. Unfortunately, Keith never had much
of an opportunity to get recorded with any kind of quality...
"My Generation" (LP) Pete Townshend: "The drums are too bloody loud!"
"A Quick One" Enter Chris Lambert "experimenting" as a producer...
"Sell Out" What drums???
"Tommy" Great drumming, but the mix could have been better (let's see what
they did to it)
"Live At Leeds" the best recording of Keith's drums to date. However, in
similar performances (Ie "Woodstock") he drummed better.
"Who's Next" Excellent drumming, not the best mix.
"Quadrophenia" Phenominal drumming, not the best mix.
"Who By Numbers" Good drumming, not the best mix. Would it have been better
if the material were different???
"Who Are You" Afwul drum mix. Not fair to say what was going on there...
One of my problems with all of this is comparing the recording of studio
drumming, to that of drumming heard LIVE (as in--in person). I personally
think Keith was short changed... Listen to "Leaving Here". It's a shame that
all the 60's Who music wasn't produced as good... (or probably the 70's
too...)
-wf
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From: YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR)
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NP: Jethro Tull, "Nothing is Easy"
Chris
RE: The new cut version restores these> two scenes, but cuts out the
beginning of A Quick One (including the Keith> Richards introduction),
as well as a few other small scenes toward the end> where Roger says
that rock music doesn't stand up - so shut up!, and where> John says "I
can't think of anything to say".
(Obligatory Who Content before I get to my intented comment): The
1970 London Coliseum version of YMB on TKAA is a killer.... I hope
they didn't cut that, in fact, I'd prefer that they include the ENTIRE
version on tape, even if the footage is a bit fuzzy....
RE: RS's R&R Circus. Here's semi-interesting side note about the
RS's R&R Circus that doesn't relate to the Who, but to Jethro Tull's
performance.
I was reading through the St Cleve Chronicle's (SCC is the Jethro Tull
equivalent to the Who Digest) FAQs post at some web site....
It seems that, if you have the video for RS's R&R Circus, which I
don't, you'll see a left-handed guitar player playing with Jethro Tull
during their set.... the left handed guitar player is supposedly none
other than (brace yourself) Tony Iommi (sp?) of Black Sabbath.
Black Sabbath.... Jethro Tull.... yeah, I see the connection (not!).
Apparently, Ozzy Osbourne was unable to attend the RS's R&R Circus,
however. Something about having fleas in his codpeice or something
like that.... ;-)
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
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From: YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR)
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NP: Jethro Tull, "Fat Man"
Gary,
RE: I see nothing on Quad which Moon did which shows the power or
> subtlety of his best playing on Tommy or WN - someone once wrote that
> Moon`s last great performance on an album was on Behind Blue Eyes -
I
> fully agree.
I've always felt that we last heard the *real* Keith Moon playing on
"In a Hand or a Face"... I'm referring to the drum solo in the middle
of the song and thereafter.... THAT was Moon at full power, and the
last I heard of him on a studio album. I *would* mention "Who Are You"
but after watching TKAA, and seeing him play drums on "Who Are You" and
how much he labored while playing, I'd have to say that "WAY" is close
to Moon's top form, but he just couldn't quite martial his resources at
that point (1979). He'd lost too much.
RE: I was> looking on Quad for that kinetic, up-front power chord
style PT had
> maintained throughout a number of (otherwise) different albums
before
> Quad, but on the latter he largely abandoned his signature guitar
sound,
> and never returned to it thereafter on record, IMO.....
I understand what you're saying about PT's guitar playing. To me,
Quad has always been the point of demarcation in Townshend's style:
before Quad, the upfront power chords you mentioned, afterwards (with
some exceptions, e.g., "Slip Kid" and "Another Tricky Day") PT went for
a more jazz-oriented style, and included different instruments as the
"up front'" instrument used to punctuate the lyrics/vocals, e.g., the
piano on "5:15."
To make a long story short, I've always felt that PT's change in style
stems from maturity... he was 27, 28 years old when Quad was released,
I believe, and to me, it's only natural that his guitar-style would be
slightly less aggressive and flamboyant as he got older.
I also suspect, but have no proof to substantiate, that Pete's hearing
problems, which were developing around that time, also factored into
his developing a less-emphatic guitar sound (he got tired of his ears
constantly ringing, I guess)
RE: Sorry, but for me Pete`s guitar was mainly an> electric sound...).
On this point, we agree entirely. It's the power chords that drew me
to the Who in the beginning, and it's the power chords that I still
like the best. The quieter style is nice and all, but give me ball-
busting block chords at maximum decibel-level... I'll gladly risk
walking with a limp... <JK>
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
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re: top of form...
Whoever said Roger peaked out on "Who's Next" or "Quadrophenia", obviously
never listened to "McVicar"...
-wf
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At 08:47 PM 02/23/96 UT, you wrote:
>
>>-wf
>
>You're mental. Get some help . . .
>
>Amira
>
Ah, you've just met -wf. We're all mental here. He's just the worst (or best).
Joe
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To All,
Anyone who frequents the Who section of the Prodigy bulletin
boards knows what a pathetic joke that section has become. As one man
put it, there is a street brawl there on a daily basis.
The Who fought perhaps because they resented the fact that they
needed each other. Who fans are not in that situation.
Evidently, some people want to drag that immature behavior from
Prodigy into the Who Digest. I sincerely hope that the Who Digest
doesn't degenerate into a people-bashing forum.
We CAN disagree. But lets leave the childish insults to the kiddie
section of computer bulletin boards.
John
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From: "Amira Boctor" <MaryAnneShakyHand@msn.com>
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>Amira, re:
>>You're mental. Get some help . . .
>hMMM... let's see... is this advice from someone who publicly posts the
following on computer message boards:
>1) "I'm seeing a psychiatrist"
2) "I'm on Prozak"
3) "I'm in my mid 20's but":
a) "I live at home with my parents and work for my father, 'Doctor Boctor'
".
b) "My mother takes all my money from me."
c) "My mother took me to the JAE concert, but I don't think she'll let me
go to the next one."
4) "Who can I complain to about JAE playing so late? I don't like staying out
that late." 5) "I think I'll fill people's mailboxes with chain letters and
junk mail, 'cause they're kinda cool!
6) "I think I'll ask for directions to an international e-mail list for a
record store just downtown."
>But, then again, you have much more experience in these matters, so perhaps
you're right about me!
>Hope this helps...
>-wf
WF,
OK I'm sorry I confided in you. At least I have the courage to be honest, you
cowardly punk. You're afraid to tell anyone your real name -- but then again
I can't blame you can I. Are you sure it's not misspelled? Are you sure it's
not Rich Wiener instead of Weiner? And why "Rich?" The name "Dick" better
suits you. Let's see . . .
Dickie Wiener bought the farm
E I E I O
Yeah that sounds better. Oh and I'd like to see you say something to me on
P*. You wouldn't dare cause you're afraid my friends would rip you up, isn't
that right? You feel better on YOUR territory don't you? Maybe you'd better
sell part of that worthless extensive collection of repetition you piled up in
the name of the Who and invest in some psychiatric help yourself.
Amira
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Muchas gracias to all of you who responded to my Monty Python inquiries
(inquisitions?)! If only our chats about The Who could be so amiable! And
on that note, despite thinking that Quad is easily better than Tommy and is
probably better than Who's Next (only because Lifehouse didn't come out as a
double LP), I initially supported those fans who'd like it on a single edited
disc. But now I'm starting to be persuaded the other way...
Rich
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From: Slipkid@gnn.com (Ian Derby)
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>I think it's something like 135 or 140 minutes... When MTV ran it way back
>when (before the tape was out), I remember my T120 running out before the
>damn thing was over...
>
Did you delete the commercials? My MTV copy at SP speed was under 120 mins
(commercials absent).
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From: Slipkid@gnn.com (Ian Derby)
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> It seems that, if you have the video for RS's R&R Circus, which I
>don't, you'll see a left-handed guitar player playing with Jethro Tull
>during their set.... the left handed guitar player is supposedly none
>other than (brace yourself) Tony Iommi (sp?) of Black Sabbath.
>
> Black Sabbath.... Jethro Tull.... yeah, I see the connection (not!).
>
> Apparently, Ozzy Osbourne was unable to attend the RS's R&R Circus,
>however. Something about having fleas in his codpeice or something
>like that.... ;-)
>
Don't be so snide, like Tull is "progressive" aside from two albums (hey I'm
seeing them March 27, I'm a huge fan)! There really isn't much of a
difference between Martin Barre (who ended up staying for good) and Iommi in
guitar style. Listen to his intro on "Minstrel in the Gallery". Iommi just
abandoned his blues approach when he joined Sabbath (from Paranoid on, Vol 4
and Sabbotage are must have albums though).
But, yes that has always been a stumping trivia question for me. It works
every time. That was right after Mick Abrahams left for Blodwyn Pig and JT
was inbetween guitarists. If my memory serves, they even auditioned Steve
Howe but he turned them down.
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One of the things I would certainly be interested in hearing about is whether
you all would actually want to see the 3 remaining Who members get together
for another reunion tour and possibly an album or more. (This obviously
would assume that Pete does change his mind which at present he seems to have
no inclination of doing.) I have never seen any extended discussion of this
topic since I joined this digest.
I, myself am torn. Emotionally I would love to see the three together again.
The Stones can do quite well in the '90s, so why shouldn't the Who? Don't
they (can't they?) still have a lot to say? Isn't Pete a little selfish in
keeping the group apart? (Okay, I guess it is his life and he can do what he
wants.)
If they were to get together, I would not want another repeat of 1989--with
them using a huge slick band to do most of the work. I know that some
disagree, but I think their polished Las Vegas-like '89 sound was awful. (To
me Roger's happy bouncy singing of "I Can See For Miles" on Join Together was
a low point.) If they did get together, I would want Pete back on lead
guitar, a top notch drummer and at most one back up musician on keyboards.
Hopefully, they could go back to some of their best live playing and
extended improvising. They can show the Stones who really can give a show.
A new studio album would be essential as well.
On the other hand, do some of you simply believe that the Who said what had
to be said and probably can't do any more of any real significance? Paul,
George and Ringo took an awful lot of criticism this past year with their
studio reunion--i.e., "they should have left well enough alone, they can
never be what they were," etc.
I guess the biggest problem intellectually I have with a Who reunion is the
absence of Keith. To me he was so essential to the sound of the group that
without him there is a void that can't be filled. And who, if anyone could
replace him? Realistically I can't think of any alternatives. (I mean, how
does one replace the best drummer and most innovative drummer in the history
of rock and roll?)
But I guess in spite of all this I would love to see them together, no matter
how they did it.
What do you think?
Jon Karesh
San Francisco, California
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Does anyone remember seeing an episode of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous"
which featured JAE. I'm quite certain it was done, as I was able to catch about
20 seconds of it from a very distant TV station. I believe it was broadcast
around 1980 or so.
J
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>1. In the above-quoted bit from The Holy Grail, Michael Palin's uppity
>peasant makes reference to something that sounds like a "syndo-narkist"
>("Sino-anarchist"?) commune, but I could never quite figure it out.
As one who formerly had the largest Who collection in the land (now it's up
to W.Fang, Joe G. and others to carry the torch) and is a confirmed Python
worshipping type, the words you seek to the above sketch of King Arthur
confronting the Marxist peasants in the field goes like this:
Athur: Well, who is your lord?
Old Woman: we don't have a lord.
Arthur: What?
Dennis (another peasant): I told you, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune,
we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
And so the scene goes on. This is one of the highlights of the film for me,
a political and military historian besides record dealer (yes, I do have a
life without music). I love the fact that a Marxist is confronting a
royalist, two very outdated and need to be retired modes of government! So
much for this American caring about the British royal family - not when I had
an ancestor that shot at the Redcoats!!! British bands are/were cool
though!!!!!
Bye y'all.
Greg Biggs
PS Only five copies remain for the Who In Sweden book/CD at $68 plus
shipping if you want a copy.
CVC Collectables
(419)586-6636
586-6763 fax
Biggsk@aol.com
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Ian, re:
>Did you delete the commercials? My MTV copy at SP speed was under 120 mins
(commercials absent).
I believe I recorded it at a time when they actually played it commercial
free (probably back in the early 80's), but alas, the tape still ran out!
-wf
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John, re:
>Does anyone remember seeing an episode of "Lifestyles of the Rich and
Famous" which featured JAE. I'm quite certain it was done, as I was able to
catch about 20 seconds of it from a very distant TV station. I believe it
was broadcast around 1980 or so.
Yes! I have it on an "unlabeled" tape (which means that probably after I
retire and the tape format has changed and half the tape has oxidized, I'll
find it!)
It was a good show. It featured JAE and what's-his-name going through the
"castle" and all kinds of neat stuff! I have some other special with Roger
Daltrey flying over his property in some kinda "glider". That was a good one,
too (it may have been made for PBS)... AND, if I could go through my tapes
and find the Howard Stern/JAE/Steve Luongo interview from '88...
-wf
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At 07:08 AM 02/24/96 EST, you wrote:
>Does anyone remember seeing an episode of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous"
>which featured JAE. I'm quite certain it was done, as I was able to catch
about
>20 seconds of it from a very distant TV station. I believe it was broadcast
>around 1980 or so.
>
>J
>
>
That sounds vaguely familiar. I was doing a lot of taping back then. If
you're interested I can scan through my unlabeled Who videos.
Joe Giorgianni
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Jon, re:
>One of the things I would certainly be interested in hearing about is
whether you all would actually want to see the 3 remaining Who members get
together for another reunion tour and possibly an album or more. (This
obviously would assume that Pete does change his mind which at present he
seems to have no inclination of doing.) I have never seen any extended
discussion of this topic since I joined this digest.
The Who (pre-'79) as we knew it is long dead. While they can certainly
recreate the sound (The Who Fest last September is probably the closest
example), the spirit of the "on-going" band is probably forever lost. Pete
has gone on record, saying basically that if he "...had a project suitable
for The Who..." he certainly consider it. However, a lot of time has elapsed
since their breakup in '82, and other than getting together for a few special
events (ie "Live Aid") and the '89 tour (and DST in '94), they really don't
do anything together, or even communicate on a "regular" basis.
As for Pete, maybe he just doesn't want to do it anymore. He gave it many
years and just wants a "normal", peaceful life. I can't blame him and I think
he's given all of us so much, that he's surely entitled...
Roger and John... I think I suggested back in the early 80's, that the 2 of
them should team up with Simon Philips and Russ Ballard and call themselves
"The Detours". The 2 of them were finally going to "team up" last fall for a
European and Australlian tour, which unfortunately fell through.
Keep in mind that these guys are now in their 50's. Life on the road ain't
easy. John can probably "survive" longer than the other 2, as long as he
doesn't develop arthritis or go deaf from the volume. Time is against Roger's
voice. I don't think he'll be able to sing like he can now in 10 years (could
be wrong), at least not live on consecutive nights. Pete of course has some
serious hearing problems. Playing with The Who, would only make that worse
and, then there's Pete's destructive behavior on the road. I'd hate to see
him start drinking again... He's been very lucky. Keith, unfortunately,
wasn't.
So... if you remember these guys are people, with families, problems, TV
shows to watch, etc... I think you'll understand better, why they will never
be "The Who of the past"...
-wf
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Amira, re:
>OK I'm sorry I confided in you.
Let's clear one thing up. You NEVER "confided" in me. You posted all your
"problems" on the Prodigy Who BBS, there for potentially hundreds of 1,000s of
people to see. Here is just one "example", for which anyone with Prodigy can
log on and "view"--including "Mommy Dearest". (Please look up the word
"confided" in the dictionary, so you can understand it's meaning.)
>>Board: MUSIC 1 BB
Topic: CLASSIC ROCK
Subject: WHO -> POLITICS
To: MARK LEAMAN (FSXY42A)
From: AMIRA BOCTOR (LCCH12A)
Time: 02/22 11:15 PM
Mark,
You are aware, I presume, that my dad is a doctor? Remember
the gross stories I've told you? Yes some doctors
overcharge -- and hospitals will turn your dead corpse
inside out if that's what it takes to get paid. But because
of these HMOs my dad's business is going down the toilet.
He has expenses -- one chemotherapy shot costs $500. Then
there's the rent, salaries, malpractice insurance, plus he
has to pay the hospitals fees in order to keep working
there. And whatever's left over goes to my brother's
college tuition, which is another story.
Another thing -- insurance companies are very corrupt. >>
They don't do any extra work, WE have to do all that. I'm
sure those executives are making more money than, say, Pete
Townshend ever did, because they keep most of the money and
collect more from the people who really NEED insurance --
does that make sense? The healthier you are the less you
need, but the more you get. And they refuse to pay for
"pre-existing" conditions, which is why my parents are
paying for my psychiatrist and Prozac out of their pockets
-- they're afraid that once I'm on my own I won't be able to
get any insurance. If Clinton can solve that problem hell I
sure would vote for him.
>>>E I E I O
BTW, I thought this part was extremely funny!
>>Oh and I'd like to see you say something to me on P*. You wouldn't dare
cause you're afraid my friends would rip you up, isn't that right?
You would??? hMMM... that can be arranged! I'll just hire someone to "sew me
back up" again!
>>You feel better on YOUR territory don't you?
I didn't realize that this was a "cat" fight. Please keep in mind that "The
north side of my town faces east and the east side faces south..."
>>in the name of the Who
Isn't that a "U2" song???
-wf
PS >You cowardly punk!
Isn't that the name I use on Delphi??? I haven't checked lately! hMMM...
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It was written:
>One of the things I would certainly be interested in hearing about is =
whether
>you all would actually want to see the 3 remaining Who members get =
together
>for another reunion tour and possibly an album or more.=20
Yes, I would. I routinely think what's the problem? Why can't three =
very talented musicians get together, write 14 original songs, release =
'em and do, say, a summer tour? They only need themselves on stage, but =
as voices get older, the more back up singers there will be, and there =
will be keyboardists... and for sheer power, there really isn't a better =
choice than Simon Phillips on drums, any one who actually plays drums =
knows he is phenominal. However, if Pete doesn't want to present his =
music in that format anymore, that's his choice. And as a musician =
myself, I know that this decision wasn't reach easily. At this point of =
his career he's got to pick and choose what he want's to do carefully, =
and he may not want to waste (lose) time going through greatest hit sets =
with The Who. He also has his health to consider, the least of which is =
his ears... (IMHO, Pete may have using this as an excuse not to do more =
work with the Who. He's gone from being deaf to cured?? Mmmm...doubt =
it.)
Also, as with Zepp, (who said Zepp? - not that thread again :), its not =
Zepp without all four guys. Pete may not want to do it any more without =
Keith. Its not the same without him. Does he really want to be the =
Rolling Stones? Releasing a dud lp every two years and touring a huge =
stadium show that covers up the fact your just limply going through the =
motions playing greatest hits? I don't think so. I think Pete would much =
rather spend his time on his current pursuits.=20
Nothing prevents John and Rog from touring more together or separately. =
No laws as far as I know. If they are not performing/touring/ =
recording/releasing lps with only top rate material, production, =
musicians and songs, it is by their own fault/choice. An 'all-star' band =
is a great promotional scheme. There are any number of first class =
musicians from all styles of music that would kill to regularly write =
and tour with a member of the Who. They (Rog, John and the labels) also =
seem to be working under the misconception that they wont have a 'hit'. =
Well, all they need is one... look at Yes with 90215, and they are still =
capable of writing/preparing great music. In short, it's there if they =
want to do it, and its their fault (choice) if they are not.
I would like to see them play, it's a shame that these three talented =
guys are not in public eye more. I feel the same way about any of the =
various configurations of Yes, and the Beatles, and Zepp and Pink =
Floyd/Waters. It's hard to live up to audience expectation and stay to =
true to your (current) artistic vision, but I feel it's a great =
loss/waste they aren't doing something more than what they are/have =
been. If they had a problem with hype and money, they could charge a =
stout fee, and donate all proceeds to charity. I'm sure any number of =
AIDS foundations could use the fall out from a Beatles reunion =
tour/album/live video!
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NP: Zeppelin, "Kashmir" Dallas 4 March 1975
Ian,
RE: Isle of Wight. (Obligatory Who content). Jethro Tull also
played at that concert and are on that recently released album, no?
What songs did they play?
RE:> Don't be so snide, like Tull is "progressive" aside from two
albums (hey
> I'm seeing them March 27, I'm a huge fan)!
Hey, I'm a huge fan too, and I agree Jethro Tull wasn't really
"progressive," as such, at least not in the way Yes and King Crimson
were. JT played a lot of Blues oriented songs ("Bloody Monday," by T-
Bone Walker), and plenty of "riffy" songs like "Cry You a Song" in
those early days. Incidentally, I recently picked up Disk Two of JT's
25th anniversary box set, and the 1970 Carnegie Hall show is great.
Ian Anderson's between-song banter is hilarious. Also it has one of
those overly-long Martin Lancelot Barre guitar solos on it, and you're
right, his style isn't too different from Iommi's... although I'm hard
pressed to equate JT's later albums, like HEAVY HORSES, with Black
Sabbath. But you're right about Barre's and Iommi's guitar styles.....
Btw, Fairport Convention is supposedly touring England right now.....
Also, Princess Anne is scheduled to have her Regal Carcass present at
the opening of Ian Anderson's new 600,000 Salmon smokehouse in
Scotland. Btw, doesn't Daltrey have a trout farm too (More obligatory
Who content <G>)?
RE: If my memory serves, they even auditioned> Steve Howe but he
turned them down.
Yeah, I can just imagine Anderson and Howe bickering over who gets to
play acoustic guitar on "Witch's Promise." Interesting tidbit of info,
though. I didn't know that....
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
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Oh was that meant to be an insult? Aren't you low. I think Kelly was right,
you're NOT an adult. You're a pathetic screwed up motherfucker and don't
think anything you say can hurt me. I don't imagine anyone on this board or
on P* admires you very much right now. As a matter of fact I've talked to
several people and they all say the only reason they talk to you is because
you "know" so much about the Who. Not that you care -- you're in your own
glorified imaginary world right now and I imagine nobody can touch you, Dickie
Wiener. This is the last time I will cloud the Digest with this infantile
quarrel. If you must have the last word, fine. Go right ahead. And you can
go ahead and post EVERYTHING I say on Prodigy -- nobody here cares. You're
humiliating yourself, not me.
Amira
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Jon wrote:
>One of the things I would certainly be interested in hearing about is
whether
>you all would actually want to see the 3 remaining Who members get together
>for another reunion tour and possibly an album or more. (This obviously
>would assume that Pete does change his mind which at present he seems to
have
>no inclination of doing.) I have never seen any extended discussion of this
>topic since I joined this digest.
>
I personally have no real interest in seeing the Who doing any reunion tours.
It's not the Who without Moon, and I don't think Pete or Roger can perform
with the same fire that they could fifteen years ago. Maybe they could
muster up the old strength, passion, and energy for a show or two, but I
don't think they could do it for a whole tour.
Doing another record, that's another story. Since '80, Pete's solo work has
been infinitely more interesting than anything that the Who have done.
Roger' solo work has been a little spotty, but the high points have been
better than Face Dances or It's Hard. What I would really like to see,
although it would never happen, is the Who doing a record of some of the
songs Pete has written for himself (as well as "After the Fire") since '80.
John
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To add to the confusion re. TKAA film......
I seem to recall an article in the greatly missed publication Trouser Press
(edited by Ira Robbins, a long-time Who fanatic) that the American and UK
prints of TKAA were different because Townshend thought that the first (US)
version dwelled too much on Keith and his death and so the film was cut
and/or re-edited.
This would explain the missing comments that Chris Hinkle mentioned,
however I don't know what it had to do with editing the Rock & Roll Circus
performance. I just assumed when I got the re-release of the home video that
the US print was replaced by the UK version.
I never owned the first version of the US home video, but recorded it off
the Showtime cable network and it was the version I saw on the US movie
screen.
Now who do we contact about re-instating the tracks cut from the Kids Are
Alright CD?
Long Live Rock,
Brad
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Rich wrote:
>Muchas gracias to all of you who responded to my Monty Python inquiries
>(inquisitions?)! If only our chats about The Who could be so amiable! And
>on that note, despite thinking that Quad is easily better than Tommy and is
>probably better than Who's Next (only because Lifehouse didn't come out as a
>double LP), I initially supported those fans who'd like it on a single
edited
>disc. But now I'm starting to be persuaded the other way...
>
>Rich
My thoughts on editing Quadrophenia... If you're going to cut 4 minutes,
what do you cut? To me, the crushing waves intro in "I Am the Sea" is just
as integral to setting the mood of the record as is "Punk" or "Dr. Jimmy."
Cutting the intro short (or dropping it) hurts the overall mood of the
record. The same goes for cutting segments out of the "Quadrophenia" and
"The Rock" instrumentals. After hearing the full version of "Shakin' All
Over" on Lifehouse to Leeds, I cringe every time I hear the splicing on Live
at Leeds.
I would do the same if either of these pieces are cut. And I cannot find a
song on the record which I consider expendable. Sure, the record is a bit
"bombastic" - that's the beauty of it. Most magnum opuses (or is it opi) are
bombastic.
Bonus tracks are nice, but I'm not sure I'm in favor of adding any to this
record. Using the Mona Lisa analogy that someone else raised, adding a
second person to the painting would be just as bad as cutting anything out of
it... If there are any quality bonus tracks (not just alternate takes of
songs already on the record - the bootleg versions of these are fine) out
there, throw them on an expanded Odds and Sods.
Another analogy - does anyone listen to the 35 minute version of Live at
Leeds any more, now that a fuller (if not complete) version is available?
John
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The Ox and company played at Sneakers in San Antonio, TX on Feb. 22.
THE SONGS:
Same set list as other recent postings. Didn't write down the order,
but they included:
Heaven and Hell
Had Enough
You
Trick of the Light
Boris the Spider
My Wife
Long Live Rock
Shakin all Over
Summertime Blues
Life After Love
The Real Me
A couple of others that escape me now.
THE MUSIC/SOUND:
Loud. Very loud. Too loud. The music was an assault of acoustic
energy. I bought ear plugs before the show and I'm glad I did. I
don't see why it had to be so loud, unless, as the guy selling the
T-Shirts and stuff told me, that John is so deaf that he has to "feel"
the songs in order to play them. I was standing right in front of the
stage so maybe that spot wasn't the best to judge the music, but the
vocals were almost inaudible, as were the keyboard and electric guitar.
What was audible was a din of energy from the drums and bass. To
improve the music would require:
1. Turn the volume down!
2. Kill the mics on the drum kit
3. Up the volume of the vocals relative to the instruments
4. Up the volume of the guitar and keyboard relative to the
rest.
5. Most of all turn the volume down and balance the mix.
QUALIFIER:
It was the best live rock and roll I've ever experienced despite my
above objections. John's playing was awsome.
OTHER ASPECTS:
John was dressed immaculately. He wore a red shirt with the obligatory
spider pin under a gleaming white waist length jacket, black or dark
colored jeans which looked starched or pressed, and pointed red suede
boots. He played two bass guitars, a brown wooden eight string and a
unique red four string. I've never seen bass guitars quite like them so
I assume they were custom made for him. John didn't use a pick that
often, but after each song where he did, he would flick the pick out
into the audience, whereupon some drunken types would scramble on the
floor for it. When one guy shouted out "My Wife, My Wife" between songs,
John addressed him saying, "We'll play Your wife later." He also
mentioned something about divorce stating that their is life after love.
THE AUDIENCE:
About 200 people. Many of which were older couples or balding guys
by themselves.
REGRETS:
I wish I had bought the CD The Rock. I thought $20.00 was just too much.
The more I thought about it though, that probably wasn't a bad price
after all. I also wish I had bought the tour booklet, but again I
thought it was just too expensive at the time.
It was great to see the Ox and to see him play live! It was my first
time to see on of the members of the greatest rock and roll band in the
world. Come on Pete!
Kreg Walvoord
KregW@Alcon.acu.edu
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NP: Who "Sea an Sand" Largo 1973
Tom,
(Good Lord, I just realized I'm responding to myself.... golly, I just
haven't been the same since that lobotomy.....)
RE: JT played a lot of Blues oriented songs ("Bloody Monday," by T-
Bone> Walker),
Right Side of My Brain: Um, Tom, don't you mean, "Stormy Monday"?
Left Side of My Brain: Uh... heh, heh... yeah, I meant "Stormy
Monday." Sorry.
RE: > Also, Princess Anne is scheduled to have her Regal
Carcass present> at the opening of Ian Anderson's new 600,000 Salmon
smokehouse in
> Scotland.
AB FAB interlude:
"What I need is a crowned royal with a designer dress on her back!"
Maybe Ian Anderson can crank up the band at the opening of the Salmon
smokehouse, and play songs from CATFISH RISING. Princess Anne can play
tambourine... you know, like that little girl from the Partridge
family....
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
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Amira, re:
>>Oh was that meant to be an insult? Aren't you low. I think Kelly was right,
you're NOT an adult.
"My name is 905, and I've just become alive..."
>> You're a pathetic screwed up motherfucker and don't
think anything you say can hurt me.
"I don't matter, you don't matter, niether does this mindless chatter..."
>> I don't imagine anyone on this board or on P* admires you very much right
now.
As a matter of fact I've talked to several people and they all say the only
reason they talk to you is because
you "know" so much about the Who. Not that you care -- you're in your own
glorified imaginary world right now and I imagine nobody can touch you, Dickie
Wiener.
"I just wanna be pop-u-lar, I don't really care who you are, I just gotta be
pop-u-lar!"
>> This is the last time I will cloud the Digest with this infantile
quarrel. If you must have the last word, fine. Go right ahead. And you can
go ahead and post EVERYTHING I say on Prodigy -- nobody here cares. You're
humiliating yourself, not me.
"This is no social crises.... just another tricky day... for you..."
BTW, where should I send the bill to for today's threapy???
-wf
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From: Ken Traub <kt@einstein.exa.com>
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I second just about everything Kevin Winn said about Quad in his response to
Gary. One point though...
>The orchestration sounds contrived for the most part, and doesn't blend
well with the basic sound of >the band. (PT later got better at this,
e.g., New Song, or Street In The City).
First, if I remember my liner notes from Rough Mix correctly, Astley did
the string arrangements for "Street In the City," not Pete. As for Quad,
and the fact that the "orchestration" was Pete's synthesizers, I guess
we'll have to just disagree. I think it blends beautifully, and is the
most compelling and heartfelt orchestration since "Eleanor Rigby."
I also really like the arrangements on Quad. I am always puzzled, however,
when they are assumed to be synthesizers. The conventional wisdom is that
Quad is filled with synthesizers. In fact, I think there's hardly *any*
synthesizers to be heard there.
I think a lot of people mistake for synthesizers what in reality are very
complex horn arrangements by JAE, double-tracked guitars, pedal steel, real
strings, sound effects, etc. (On many tracks, just the bass or drum parts
alone provide a thicker texture than many bands are capable of producing when
playing *tutti* :-)
What tracks on Quad might have synths? Definitely Bell Boy, the tail end of
Dr. Jimmy where it segues into The Rock, and The Rock. Possibly the strings
on Quadrophenia, I've Had Enough, Dr. Jimmy, and Love Reign O'er Me are string
synthesizers instead of real strings (but the strings in The Dirty Jobs are
almost certainly real ones, as are the strings in the soundtrack version of
I've Had Enough). There's an organ in part of Dr. Jimmy. And that's it.
That's not much at all, really -- it's a lot less use of synths than was made
in Who's Next.
Take The Dirty Jobs, for example. That's one of the thicker tracks, but I
don't think there are any synths to be heard there. What you've got is a very
dense arrangement of bass, drums, elec. gtr, acoustic gtr (?), strings, horns,
and piano (oh yeah, vocal too!).
The more I listen to it, the more I think that JAE's horn arrangements are
brilliant. They're incredibly subtle in places.
Well, I could go on and on about what's amazing in Quad. There's always
something new to discover in it every time I listen. For what other rock
album by anyone is that true?
Ken Traub
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I must reiterate. I certainly hope the Digest doesn't become a
grade school-type playground.
We have a person, White Fang, also known as John Mason, and, also
known in the real world as Rich Wiener, who has a long history of
childish insults. I have been on the receiving end of these, but it
doesn't really bother me too much. I realize Wiener is an insecure
person with a inferiority complex. I just hope HE gets the help he
needs.
By the way, I gave Wiener the opportunity to call me names to my
face. He pussyed out.
So, hopefully, we can leave this nonsense behind us and keep this
Digest a friendly place for Who fans to get together and have some
fun, and, yes, disagree with each other without resorting to personal,
mean-spirited insults.
Amira is a sweetheart, and doesn't really need a loser like Wiener
making her his 7,265,837th enemy.
Sorry to bother everyone with this.
John Sutter
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NP: Zep, "You Shook Me," San Fran, 27 April 1969
Ken,
RE:> What tracks on Quad might have synths? Definitely Bell Boy, the
tail end> of Dr. Jimmy where it segues into The Rock, and The Rock.
Speaking of "The Rock" from Quad, I don't know if any of you saw this
on alt.music.who, but there was a fellow on there relating a story
about "The Rock" and his girlfriend. They were supposedly driving
along in his car, and "The Rock" was on the stereo. His girlfriend,
not being familiar with the Who, mistook "The Rock" as some sort of New
Age music, like Yanni (or "The Yann-ster," as I prefer to think of him)
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Hello,
Don't make the same mistake I did. There is a special edition of
Guitar World on newsstands now titled Classic Rock. What caught my
eye was that it has Pete's name on the front. I looked through the
magazine and I found that it had a large interview with Pete inside.
In a moment of exuberation, I quickly bought it. After I started
reading it, I noticed a little note that it was reprinted from a 1994
Guitar World. I haven't compared the two, but I assume it is from
that issue dedicated to The Who. Moral of the story: If you have
that old issue (as I do), don't buy this new issue.
On a different note, during the same trip to the mall, I stopped in
our local Babbages (a computer software store) and had them check the
date on the Tommy CD-Rom. They had it listed in their computer as
sometime in April. Can anybody find a more specific date?
Finally, I was riding around with a friend of mine last week who is
a drummer. He respects what Keith did for starting the evolution of
drumming and the drumkit. He asked me to play a song where Keith
really rocks. There are so many I didn't kknow which one to choose.
This brings me to what I was wondering: Which ONE song really shows
Keith's prowess on the drums more than any other? I believe we had
this discussion about a year ago, but I can't remember what anybody
said. Anyway, my choice off the top of my head would be A Quick One
on Live at Leeds. What does everybody else think?
Thanks,
Christian Tennant
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At 03:18 PM 02/24/96 EST, you wrote:
>This brings me to what I was wondering: Which ONE song really shows
>Keith's prowess on the drums more than any other? I believe we had
>this discussion about a year ago, but I can't remember what anybody
>said. Anyway, my choice off the top of my head would be A Quick One
>on Live at Leeds. What does everybody else think?
>
>Thanks,
>Christian Tennant
>
>
I was riding with my nine year old son and his friend in the car yesterday
and I put in a CD and told them to listen to the world's best drummer and I
played "Rael."
Joe Giorgianni
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Chris, re:
> Which ONE song really shows Keith's prowess on the drums more than any
other?
How 'bout... "Dogs Part 2" ???
-wf
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Come on, folks--this is THE WHO list, not Toddlers 'R Us.
If you must send petulant temper tantrums via e-mail, at least do it
privately. And if you don't have the self-control for that, at the minimum,
properly title your subject so the adults among us can ignore you, as is
appropriate for tantrums.
However brilliant you think your little insults are, us big kids (stable or
not), aren't amused. Or interested.
And no, don't bother flaming me. I'll be deleting all mail, unread, from the
infantile.
Mick
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Scooter, re:
>> I must reiterate. I certainly hope the Digest doesn't become a
grade school-type playground.
But it already has... and you've helped!
>> We have a person, White Fang, also known as John Mason, and, also
known in the real world as Rich Wiener, who has a long history of
childish insults.
Yes, a very long history. Dating all the way back to my childhood. Just think
Johnny, people like Howard Stern get paid millions for this kinda stuff, and I
do it for free... Don't you consider yourself fortunate?
>> I have been on the receiving end of these, but it
doesn't really bother me too much. I realize Wiener is an insecure
person with a inferiority complex. I just hope HE gets the help he
needs.
hMMM... you're not just saying this to be "PC" are you? BTW, how much did it
"bother" you, say... on a scale from 1-10, (10 being the highest)...
>> By the way, I gave Wiener the opportunity to call me names to my
face. He pussyed out.
What did you say earlier about a "playground" or something??? What opportunity
did I miss??? Not that I'd call you a "liar" or anything (well... maybe...),
but when did this "opportunity" occur? In a dream? BTW, I LOVE calling people
names to their face. Here, I can only "picture" you pounding your fists on the
keyboard as you lose control over yourself. I'd much rather see it in person!
Can your wife take a picture of you doing something silly and then you can
forward us the GIF? Or, is she too busy eating?
>>So, hopefully, we can leave this nonsense behind us and keep this
Digest a friendly place for Who fans to get together and have some
fun, and, yes, disagree with each other without resorting to personal,
mean-spirited insults.
hMMM... now how does that work? Oh, I get it. Let's send a nasty (but
informative) message, then just "pretend" that you want a "friendly place"...
Good thinking! I guess you really like to "plan ahead", heh?
>> Amira is a sweetheart, and doesn't really need a loser like Wiener
making her his 7,265,837th enemy.
I think you're off by a few numbers, but we all know your math is poor from
those bad investments where you lost all your money and you had to move to the
getto section of Chicago.
BTW, is this the "tact" that says... "hMMM... maybe if I draw him out... he'll
expose himself and everyone can see what kinda person he REALLY is! Yeah...
that's it!"
Or... is it the "tact" that says... "Oh poor Amira, she needs my pity (after
all, that's what she thrives on. Why not give her some more?) I'll come to her
rescue and show the world what kinda person HE is!"
>> Sorry to bother everyone with this.
Actually, you're not. If you were, you wouldn't have bothered. At least be
honest (there's that "word" again) here, Scooter. The fact is, you're extremely
bitter and this is your simplistic way of "getting even" for a stupid fight
that we had many months ago. Maybe you and Amria can get some sort "package
deal" for that Psychiatrist that she swears by? A little Prozak may cheeryou
up!
Hope this helps...
-wf aka "AMG" (I thought maybe that would help you out, too...)
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> >This brings me to what I was wondering: Which ONE song really shows
> >Keith's prowess on the drums more than any other? I believe we had
> >this discussion about a year ago, but I can't remember what anybody
> >said. Anyway, my choice off the top of my head would be A Quick One
> >on Live at Leeds. What does everybody else think?
This is gonna sound really warped ... but I think it's "Who Are You".
Put on headphones and really listen to the drums!
Rich
richl@dfw.net
"everybody knows this is nowhere" ... Neil Young
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Personally, I'd love to see the Who tour again, but I wouldn't want to
see anything on the scale of their '89 tour. All those backup musicians
are a distraction even though I'm sure it makes things easier for them.
I'd love to see Pete, Roger, John, and either Kenny or Simon in a club
setting, or small theater. Something like MTV's Unplugged. They could
perform more softly that way and, incidentally, Rogers voice could handle
a situation like this more easily. Between songs they could chat with
audience members, take questions, or reminisce about their songs or
whatever. Perhaps Pete could even play piano. Then for a finale, they
could get plugged in, crank it up, and do a rocking version of A Quick
One While He's Away, followed immediately with a good guitar smashing and
a standing ovation.
That's my two cents worth.
Kreg Walvoord
KregW@Alcon.acu.edu
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I would recommend giving him a tape of the My Generation album, and tell him
to compare it to what Ringo Starr, Dave Clark, Dennis Wilson, and every other
drummer in the genre were doing at that point in time...
John
> Finally, I was riding around with a friend of mine last week who is
>a drummer. He respects what Keith did for starting the evolution of
>drumming and the drumkit. He asked me to play a song where Keith
>really rocks. There are so many I didn't kknow which one to choose.
>This brings me to what I was wondering: Which ONE song really shows
>Keith's prowess on the drums more than any other? I believe we had
>this discussion about a year ago, but I can't remember what anybody
>said. Anyway, my choice off the top of my head would be A Quick One
>on Live at Leeds. What does everybody else think?
>
>
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>Nothing prevents John and Rog from touring more together or separately.
Partly true. And they have (JAE is now, remember? And Roger toured the
summer of 1994 -- John was with him, at least at some of the shows).
Unfortunately, alone or together, they can't seem to generate much interest
outside of Who fans. Even PT got ragged for his Psychoderelict mini-tour.
"Hey, this ain't the Who!"
John's playing little clubs--which is wonderful for the fans, but must be
financially difficult. Certainly, he's not carrying around a dozen semi's
filled with equipment, as in 89. Roger's show wasn't much larger (he used
local orchestras for backing) and must have been running nearly
empty-pockets. A number of dates were cancelled, and at least at the Kansas
City performance, he arrived just before the show and left town immediately
after--not even springing for a night's hotel. I was particularly saddened
by the poor reception. While not entirely "whoish," Rog's interpretation of
many songs was terrific. I wish there'd been an album of the show.
Without Pete, there simply isn't a viable Who. I doubt that even an
"all-star" band could get sufficient response to pay for a tour at medium
sized venues and make enough profit to make the effort worthwhile for the
artists.
It's always the songwriters who get the "big name" and most recognition,
whether or not they are the primary voice of the band. Could John Paul Jones
tour without Plant/Page? He doesn't seem to think so. Would as many people
go to Stones shows without Mick and Keith? Would anybody go? (For that
matter, how many people saw Keith tour alone?)
Most bands/performers have to rely on a more general public response to
afford tours. Hardcore fans, however devoted, just don't exist in sufficient
numbers. And the general public tends to respond only to names that have
been well drummed into their heads. Of the Who, only PT comes close to
meeting that level of recognition. Even he isn't as well recognized as, say,
Eric Clapton.
No, it's not fair that more people recognize Yes ('cuse me while I gag) than
Roger Daltrey, or even Pete. Life isn't fair. Much as I'd love any one or
more of the Who to tour, I don't expect anyone to go into debt for me.
They've given their fair share.
Mick Noland
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Mick, re:
>Without Pete, there simply isn't a viable Who. I doubt that even an
"all-star" band could get sufficient response to pay for a tour at medium
sized venues and make enough profit to make the effort worthwhile for the
artists.
Actually, I kinda disagree... I was very happy with the show at "The Who
Fest" (not to be confused with the title of that "other" post floating around
here). The show really had the "spirit" of the original Who, even with the
extra guitarist and the back up singer(s). At the fest, I was told that this
was "The New Who" and I was asked what I thought about them continuing on
with the "name", "The Who". Quite frankly, I don't have a problem with that.
If it meant having a successful band and on-going performances, than why not?
People will fill the stadiums whether Pete's there or not, as most of the
people attending probably aren't hardcore Who fans anyway...
After all, what's in a name???
-wf
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When is someone going to make a feature length movie about the Who?
What actors would play the Who?
We've seen Oliver Stone's The Doors.
We've seen Back Beat.
We've even seen that TV movie Birth of the Beatles.
So when is someone going to write a screenplay entitled Before I Get Old:
The Story of the Who? (Or something like that)
Staring: Nicholas Cage as Pete Townshend
Johnnie Depp as Keith Moon
Brad Pitt as Roger Daltry
Richard Greer as John Entwhistle
(Actually it would work best with younger unknown actors)
Who would do the sound track for the movie?
The Who could actually sing the songs for the movie, but studio musicians
might have to record the rough and ready club sound for the movie.
The movie would of course end in '82 with a drug free and reconciled Who
embracing on stage before an adoring audience.
Oliver Stone should definately not make this movie. Who knows what Who
conspiracies he would think up?
Kreg Walvoord
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In a message dated 96-02-24 17:16:11 EST, KREGW@ALCON.ACU.EDU writes:
>I'd love to see Pete, Roger, John, and either Kenny or Simon in a club
>setting, or small theater. Something like MTV's Unplugged. They could
>perform more softly that way and, incidentally, Rogers voice could handle
>a situation like this more easily. Between songs they could chat with
>audience members, take questions, or reminisce about their songs or
>whatever. Perhaps Pete could even play piano. Then for a finale, they
>could get plugged in, crank it up, and do a rocking version of A Quick
>One While He's Away, followed immediately with a good guitar smashing and
>a standing ovation.
>
>
THEN in a message dated 96-02-24 18:17:01 EST, KREGW@ALCON.ACU.EDU writes
some more:
>So when is someone going to write a screenplay entitled Before I Get Old:
>The Story of the Who? (Or something like that)
>
>Staring: Nicholas Cage as Pete Townshend
> Johnnie Depp as Keith Moon
> Brad Pitt as Roger Daltry
> Richard Greer as John Entwhistle
KREG,
Stick to the Who Unplugged fantasy.
Johnny Depp as Keith? I'm not so sure. Heck, why not Jerry Mathers! (I'm
thinking about the WAY cover at the moment)
Also, you forgot about Kenny Jones.
I'd cast Ronald Regan as Kenny...
-Gordie
NP: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
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> It's not the Who without Moon, and I don't think Pete or Roger can perform
>with the same fire that they could fifteen years ago. Maybe they could
I think you're beating a dead horse here (is that the expression?). I think
any Who fan who DOESN'T catch the Entwistle show, if they can, will be sorry
when they hear a tape of it. That's where you want to be if you want to
experience Who-caliber power. Don't expect Townshend songs; don't expect
Daltrey-at-his-peak singing. BUT, Steve's drums provide stuff that you
actually never got with Keith's. And then there's JAE...
OH, I forgot -- the vantage point in clubs is better than anything possible
at some overblown stadium gig.
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>what do you cut? To me, the crushing waves intro in "I Am the Sea" is just
>as integral to setting the mood of the record as is "Punk" or "Dr. Jimmy."
One of my original impressions of Quad was that, in comparison to Tommy, the
synthesisers on Quad kind of get in the way. When I compared the two I
thought of how `Overture' is all music on their live (as in, onstage)
instruments whereas `I Am The Sea' is a lot of sound effects and
synthesiser. And this sets a pretentious mood for the rest of the LP. When
`The Real Me' kicks in, though, the delay imposed by `I Am The Sea' DOES
increase the effect. BUT `The Real Me' is synthesiser-free -- in fact it's
basically the super-cool groove the Who had been honing over year of
covering `Baby Don't You Do It'.
So, I'd chuck `I Am The Sea'.
> Cutting the intro short (or dropping it) hurts the overall mood of the
>record. The same goes for cutting segments out of the "Quadrophenia" and
>"The Rock" instrumentals. After hearing the full version of "Shakin' All
`Quadrophenia' and `The Rock' are great stand-alone pieces -- leave 'em. I'd
chuck some of that piano at the END of `The Rock', since the band has
stopped playing by that point. (I expect no support for this idea.)
>song on the record which I consider expendable. Sure, the record is a bit
>"bombastic" - that's the beauty of it. Most magnum opuses (or is it opi) are
Is this really what you meant? The beauty of Quadrophenia isn't the
bombasticy(?) but rather the beautiful music, like the "I see her dance,
across the ballroom" part of `Sea & Sand'...or the bass on `The Dirty Jobs',
etc...
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I haven't read everyone's Quad "edit vs. don't edit" comments carefully, but
what about releasing two versions of Quad, the way that two versions of
Psychoderelict were released? One version would be cheaper and thus more
tempting to Who novices, plus those fans who'd really like it on one disc
would be satisfied. I know Fang has said that they won't add bonus tracks,
but that is what I'd envision for a concurrently-released 2-disc set (with
disc #2 having "Dr. Jimmy" as the first song, plus the extra tracks). Heck,
MCA might make more money this way because some of us completists will end up
buying both releases!
Rich
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In a recent comment about Quad, Tom Farrell said:
> I've always felt that we last heard the *real* Keith Moon playing on
>"In a Hand or a Face"... I'm referring to the drum solo in the middle
>of the song and thereafter.... THAT was Moon at full power, and the
>last I heard of him on a studio album.
Tom's comment, along with his subsequent mention of "Another Tricky Day",
started me thinking about how these two Who songs, and several others, are
quite underrated in my opinion. They certainly aren't mentioned too often on
this list. Another that did happen to get a rare mention lately was "The
Dirty Jobs" (I think Kevin Winn referred to it). I'd be interested to know
what some of you consider to be underrated Who songs (either among Who fandom
OR the public at large)? The three I've noted here--and many other nominees
I might list--were omitted from the boxed set, but this doesn't have to be
among the criteria people use. Not that many of our debates use criteria too
often! Having heard John live a couple times this year, I think many of his
songs are underrated, and he seems to underrate much of his own solo
material!
Rich
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I like the suggestion that Rich B. had re: TWO versions of Quad ala
Psychoderelict. I personally cannot bear to see one second snipped from the
original, however "bombastic" the album may now seem in hindsight.
Quadrophenia changed my life when I was 15 and to me it is sacred. Even
Shakespeare could be "rewritten" but I wouldn't dream of doing that either!
pam
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Hey gang;
I'm responding to this one a bit late; I apologize.
I Saw Herman's Hermits about 20 years ago....'75 or '76...as an opening act
for another band. I was coerced into chaperoning my younger sister to see the
Bay City Rollers (headlining act) at an amusement park in North Carolina. I
remember Herman jokingly accusing his bassist and drummer of being married,
referring to the drummer as "The queer in the rear..."
I don't ordinarily admit to having seen the Bay City Rollers perform, but
y'all are buds, so it's cool, I guess...
Keep the faith.
J Stotts
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Information gathered from Ticketmaster for the Chicago John Entwistle
show at the Park West.
Date: Thursday, March 14
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I'll be there. Will any other subscribers be there?
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>> Which ONE song really shows Keith's prowess on the drums more than any
>other?
There are two songs from the same album. Bargain and Goin' Mobile.
These show Keith with not only his talent of "fills", but with the
subtleness of a jazz drummer. It is very evident on Quad that the little
things Keith was doing on WN are glaringly absent. WN was probably as close
as Keith came to reproducing what he did live in the studio.
There are instances on Leeds (H+H is a great example of his work, very
tight) and on Pure Rock Theatre where he comes up with the most incredible
combination for a drum fill. However in the studio it's definately the
above two. Then again I would give honarable mention for "Leaving Here"
because it shows a rare side where Keith shows his imagination in terms of
playing with a beat.
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Rich, re: (above)
hMMM... I guess it depends on who's perspective... For someone who hate's
"It's Hard", "Cry If You Want" is an "underrated song". For someone who loves
the album, they may not even be thinking along those lines...
What criteria would you use to determine what constitutes "underrated"???
-wf
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Ian, re:
>Which ONE song really shows Keith's prowess on the drums more than any
other?
hMMM... "Sunrise", "Blue, Red & Grey" and "Music Must Change"... are all up
there! (jk)
I was listening to "Who By Numbers" on the way home from a party tonight. I
really don't like the mix on the drums at all... However, they do seem to be
mixed a bit better for "In Hand Or Face", which of course has an excellent
drum performance. I'm not really sure how many people realize how the mix can
really fool you on the drums as to what is or isn't there...
-wf
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In a message dated 96-02-23 23:27:45 EST, MaryAnneShakyHand@msn.com (Amira
Boctor) writes:
>
>>Amira, re:
>
>>>You're mental. Get some help . . .
>
>>hMMM... let's see... is this advice from someone who publicly posts the
>following on computer message boards:
>
>>1) "I'm seeing a psychiatrist"
>2) "I'm on Prozak"
>3) "I'm in my mid 20's but":
> a) "I live at home with my parents and work for my father, 'Doctor
Boctor'
>".
> b) "My mother takes all my money from me."
> c) "My mother took me to the JAE concert, but I don't think she'll let me
>go to the next one."
>4) "Who can I complain to about JAE playing so late? I don't like staying
out
>that late." 5) "I think I'll fill people's mailboxes with chain letters and
>junk mail, 'cause they're kinda cool!
>6) "I think I'll ask for directions to an international e-mail list for a
>record store just downtown."
>
>>But, then again, you have much more experience in these matters, so perhaps
>you're right about me!
>
>>Hope this helps...
>
>>-wf
>
>WF,
>OK I'm sorry I confided in you. At least I have the courage to be honest,
>you
>cowardly punk. You're afraid to tell anyone your real name -- but then
again
>
>I can't blame you can I. Are you sure it's not misspelled? Are you sure
>it's
>not Rich Wiener instead of Weiner? And why "Rich?" The name "Dick" better
>suits you. Let's see . . .
>Dickie Wiener bought the farm
>E I E I O
>Yeah that sounds better. Oh and I'd like to see you say something to me on
>P*. You wouldn't dare cause you're afraid my friends would rip you up,
isn't
>
>that right? You feel better on YOUR territory don't you? Maybe you'd
better
>
>sell part of that worthless extensive collection of repetition you piled up
>in
>the name of the Who and invest in some psychiatric help yourself.
>
>Amira
>
>
>
You folks are all taking yourselves, and each other, too seriously. Lighten
up. It works for me.
Keep the faith.
J Stotts
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In a message dated 96-02-24 21:37:39 EST, owtufuel@usa.nai.net writes:
>> It's not the Who without Moon, and I don't think Pete or Roger can perform
>>with the same fire that they could fifteen years ago. Maybe they could
>
>I think you're beating a dead horse here (is that the expression?). I think
>any Who fan who DOESN'T catch the Entwistle show, if they can, will be sorry
>when they hear a tape of it. That's where you want to be if you want to
>experience Who-caliber power. Don't expect Townshend songs; don't expect
>Daltrey-at-his-peak singing. BUT, Steve's drums provide stuff that you
>actually never got with Keith's. And then there's JAE...
>OH, I forgot -- the vantage point in clubs is better than anything possible
>at some overblown stadium gig.
>
>
I guess I left JAE out on purpose - he definitely still has some fire left
(unfortunately, he's not playing within 450 miles of Jackson, MS on a week
night, and not within 800 miles on a weekend, so I'm out of luck).
If the Who is going to do club shows, I definitely want to amend my previous
statements!! That would be different. I was going under the assumption
that I would be seeing them a the Liberty Bowl in Memphis or Legion Field in
Birmingham with a horn section, keyboards, a three-man choir section,
addition percussion, and a second guitarist. If we could get them to do a
club tour with just the three and a credible drummer, I hope they reunite
tomorrow....
As for Steve, I can't say how he stacks up with Keith, having never heard
him. I am evidently not a great judge of drummers - I always thought Dave
Abbruzzese (whom I've seen four times) was the best live drummer I've ever
seen, but Pearl Jam saw fit to fire him anyway...
John
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a recent comment about Quad, Tom Farrell said:
>
>> I've always felt that we last heard the *real* Keith Moon playing on
>>"In a Hand or a Face"... I'm referring to the drum solo in the middle
>>of the song and thereafter.... THAT was Moon at full power, and the
>>last I heard of him on a studio album.
>
>Tom's comment, along with his subsequent mention of "Another Tricky Day",
>started me thinking about how these two Who songs, and several others, are
>quite underrated in my opinion. They certainly aren't mentioned too often
on
>this list. Another that did happen to get a rare mention lately was "The
>Dirty Jobs" (I think Kevin Winn referred to it). I'd be interested to know
>what some of you consider to be underrated Who songs (either among Who
fandom
>OR the public at large)? The three I've noted here--and many other nominees
>I might list--were omitted from the boxed set, but this doesn't have to be
>among the criteria people use. Not that many of our debates use criteria
too
>often! Having heard John live a couple times this year, I think many of his
>songs are underrated, and he seems to underrate much of his own solo
>material!
>
Some of my favorite underdogs - just to name a few:
The Ox (GREAT guitar work)
Run, Run, Run
Water
Glow Girl
Dreaming from the Waist
as for PT solo work:
My Baby Gives It Away - Would have been a good Who song!
John
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Hey there;
Karesh has asked the usual, good, question about whether or not another Who
tour would be a good thing.
I suspect most of it would go see the show, some as a guilty pleasure and
some simply thankful for the opportunity to be in the same building with
Pete, Roger & John for a couple of hours.
I also suspect that us Who'sterbators on this discussion list could
predict the set with about an 85% accuracy rate night after night.
The band would play the usual oldies, five or six Pete solo tunes, maybe
one or two of Roger & John's.
Big stage, big lights, big sound, big band. Why? Because the 60's & 70's Who
is gone. We continue to celebrate it, discuss it, dissect it. Think about
that...we're the ones debating the virtues and failings of recent polishings
of 25 year-old recordings.
We know what we like. What do we want? Well, we can't have that...Keith's
dead, Pete can't hear anymore, Roger's lost an octave or two.
What will we settle for?
Okay, that's enough raving. I don't have a solid answer as to whether a
new tour would be a good thing or not. There is none.
Keep the faith.
J Stotts
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>>song on the record which I consider expendable. Sure, the record is a bit
>>"bombastic" - that's the beauty of it. Most magnum opuses (or is it opi)
>are
>
>Is this really what you meant? The beauty of Quadrophenia isn't the
>bombasticy(?) but rather the beautiful music, like the "I see her dance,
>across the ballroom" part of `Sea & Sand'...or the bass on `The Dirty Jobs',
>etc...
>
>
Well, I didn't really mean that bombasticiticy (sic) was the ONLY beauty of
it. Pete has dismissed QUAD as being "bombastic." What I'm saying is yeah,
it's bombastic, but so was everything else in the early '70's. Everyone was
playing a game of one-upsmanship, and the Who played the trump card.
As you say, the real beauty of QUAD is in the songs. The grandiose elements
of QUAD made it a great period piece, but the craftmanship of the songs and
the quality of playing make it THE album of all ages... Sure it has some
flaws, and the production could be better, but in twenty plus years of
listening to forty plus years of music, I have yet to hear anything which
approaches QUAD, so I say, why tinker with any of it?
John
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>Hey gang;
>I'm responding to this one a bit late; I apologize.
>I Saw Herman's Hermits about 20 years ago....'75 or '76...as an opening act
>for another band. I was coerced into chaperoning my younger sister to see
the
>Bay City Rollers (headlining act) at an amusement park in North Carolina. I
>remember Herman jokingly accusing his bassist and drummer of being married,
>referring to the drummer as "The queer in the rear..."
> I don't ordinarily admit to having seen the Bay City Rollers perform, but
>y'all are buds, so it's cool, I guess...
>Keep the faith.
>J Stotts
>
Because things tend to come back in style every twenty years or so, you can
consider seeing the Bay City Rollers a badge of honor... Goldmine just had a
big article on the history of the band a couple of weeks ago.
While we're at confession, I'll admit to really liking "Money Honey" when it
was released.
John
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>>I was listening to "Who By Numbers" on the way home from a party tonight.
> I
>>really don't like the mix on the drums at all... However, they do seem
to
>> be
>>mixed a bit better for "In Hand Or Face", which of course has an
excellent
>>drum performance. I'm not really sure how many people realize how the
mix
>> can
>>really fool you on the drums as to what is or isn't there.
>
In a Hand or Face is basically what Keith was doing on Quad. What is
missing is the quadtruplets and cymbal accents on WN. Even a bad mix
can't
hide Keith's genius, you have to LISTEN. Yes his rolls were still
inventive, but they lacked the speed and ingenuity of what one can hear on
Who's Next. God's gift to Keith Moon was flexible wrists and an
imaginative
brain. He decided to destroy both within seven years.
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A good subject! By far, "The Dirty Jobs" comes to mind, but what about "The
Punk Meets the Godfather". I don't recall that getting a whole lot of
airplay. I can listen to that one anytime at all.
Others worth mentioning: From the "Sell Out" reissue, "Melancholia" stands
out. I'm surprised no radio stations picked up on that one and gave it some
airplay (at least I haven't heard it...). That song has all the classic 60's
Who sounds and then the great flourish at the end...
I think "Relay" should be more prominent, perhaps if it were on an album...
But the one that really deserves more credit and attention is "So Sad About
Us". A perfect pop song, if there is such a thing...
Try those out,
Dan
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The one song (can you pick one) that personifies Keith's drumming:
"The Real Me": thunderous and adventurous all at once...
"The Kids are Alright": Loud, brash and amazingly keeping the beat...
LIVE: "Sparks"....any version...
Dan >>
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The one song (can you pick one) that personifies Keith's drumming:
"The Real Me": thunderous and adventurous all at once...
"The Kids are Alright": Loud, brash and amazingly keeping the beat...
LIVE: "Sparks"....any version...
Dan
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The one song (can you pick one) that personifies Keith's drumming:
"The Real Me": thunderous and adventurous all at once...
"The Kids are Alright": Loud, brash and amazingly keeping the beat...
LIVE: "Sparks"....any version...
Dan
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A good subject! By far, "The Dirty Jobs" comes to mind, but what about "The
Punk Meets the Godfather". I don't recall that getting a whole lot of
airplay. I can listen to that one anytime at all.
Others worth mentioning: From the "Sell Out" reissue, "Melancholia" stands
out. I'm surprised no radio stations picked up on that one and gave it some
airplay (at least I haven't heard it...). That song has all the classic 60's
Who sounds and then the great flourish at the end...
I think "Relay" should be more prominent, perhaps if it were on an album...
But the one that really deserves more credit and attention is "So Sad About
Us". A perfect pop song, if there is such a thing...
Try those out,
Dan >>
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A good subject! By far, "The Dirty Jobs" comes to mind, but what about "The
Punk Meets the Godfather". I don't recall that getting a whole lot of
airplay. I can listen to that one anytime at all.
Others worth mentioning: From the "Sell Out" reissue, "Melancholia" stands
out. I'm surprised no radio stations picked up on that one and gave it some
airplay (at least I haven't heard it...). That song has all the classic 60's
Who sounds and then the great flourish at the end...
I think "Relay" should be more prominent, perhaps if it were on an album...
But the one that really deserves more credit and attention is "So Sad About
Us". A perfect pop song, if there is such a thing...
Try those out,
Dan
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In a message dated 96-02-24 23:53:25 EST, you write:
>>> Which ONE song really shows Keith's prowess on the drums more than any
>>other?
Just out of curiosity, howcum noones mentioned Cobwebs & Strange?
GaryM (an old fart who bought the 60s who stuff when it was new)
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In a message dated 96-02-24 21:37:39 EST, you write:
> think
>any Who fan who DOESN'T catch the Entwistle show, if they can, will be sorry
>when they hear a tape of it.
So, where's the tapes? If this was the neil Young Rust list, I'd already
have tapes of the 1st few shows!!
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In a message dated 96-02-24 16:18:17 EST, you write:
>Would as many people
>go to Stones shows without Mick and Keith? Would anybody go? (
Yeah, it was called the ARMS show. However, instead of Mick & keith, we had
to settle for Eric & Jeff & Jimmy (& Andy & Paul)
best, GaryM, who's getting pretty fucking tired of this personal childishness
between a couple of children (why does the phrase "Sad & Pathetic" come to
mind????
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J Stotts commented:
<<I also suspect that us Who'sterbators on this discussion list could
predict the set with about an 85% accuracy rate night after night. The band
would play the usual oldies, five or six Pete solo tunes, maybe
one or two of Roger & John's. Big stage, big lights, big sound, big band.>>
But this is exactly what they DON'T need to do to make a revitalized success.
New material would be best, but they could also put together a kick-ass show
drawn from the huge backlog of released stuff that was never regularly played
live! Personally, I don't get too excited about hearing "Substitute" live for
the 53rd time, but renditions of songs like "Circles," "Lets See Action,"
"Gettin' in Tune," "So Sad About Us," and the like would be great.
I have noted the comments made about Pete wanting a more normal lifestyle and
the unavoidable physiologic limitations afflicting musicians and singers in
their 50's. But, if they ever did think about giving it a try....
J.
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Ian, re:
> Even a bad mix can't hide Keith's genius, you have to LISTEN.
Not true. Case in point: The studio version of "Heaven & Hell". You can
actually listen to Keith just "fade out..."
>>He decided to destroy both within seven years.
I disagree. I have some live material from '75, where I never heard him play
better...
-wf
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From: Jim Rice <ad092@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
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I've noticed that CDnow (here on the net) has started advertising the
Isle of Wight video (WHO only - not the various artist version):
[120]info[Live at Isle of Wight....................................]
n r . ------------------------ VHS [121]$60.30 Laser disc [122]$60.30
Jim Rice Halifax, Nova Scotia
~~~~~~~~ Canada
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I just want to publicly thank John Sutter for taking up for me. He is a true
gentleman -- I know, I met him in person. Well -- that's all.
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My picks: Let`s See Action, which would have been better however if the
piano track was produced down, and the guitar track produced up - at times
the piano seems to "fight with" PT`s majestic, double-strummed power chords
( nor was Nicky Hopkins playing that piano, unless I am mistaken). Also, as
some have already noted, Relay, which is an interesting song because Moon
does not play it in his usual "fill" style, but sounds great
notwithstanding, and PT`s guitars are killer there too - I saw him play it
live with the band in `79 and it was great. Finally, let`s not forget Little
Billy - a song with great harmonies, and a perceptive story line, and where
Moon`s timing and imagination are just stellar - I agree with all of Ian
Derby`s comments about Keith`s playing, BTW.
Gary M.
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Just a quick follow-up to my last post to say that I also agree however with
WFang that Keith played very well live in 1975 in some shows. The evidence
is, in part, on the 30 years` video (Dreaming From The Waist).
Gary M.
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Jim, re:
>I've noticed that CDnow (here on the net) has started advertising the
>Isle of Wight video (WHO only - not the various artist version):
hMMM... they'll probably be shipping those along with the CD set they offered
in November (?) real soon! I'd suggest placing an order when they have it "in
stock"...
-wf
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From: "Eddie W. Presley Jr." <epresley@iu.net>
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>Without Pete, there simply isn't a viable Who. I doubt that even an
>"all-star" band could get sufficient response to pay for a tour at =
medium
>sized venues and make enough profit to make the effort worthwhile for =
the
>artists. =20
How about say Rog and John play with Simon Phillips, Rick Wakeman and =
Jeff Beck? No interest? I think their would be. How 'bout say Page, =
John, Roger, Simon and Ken Hensley? How bout the guy from Bad Company or =
Phil Mogg or Fin from Waysted instead of Roger? Or Ian Astbury? =
All-star/super group may be a way to go for them... Roger and John =
probably don't want to be tied to anything though. They probably want to =
do what they want to, when they want to do it. If they want wider =
release of albums and heavier exposure they got to consider wider =
options and heavier PR.
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In a message dated 96-02-23 21:39:28 EST, YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G
FARRELL JR) writes:
>... if you have the video for RS's R&R Circus ...
>you'll see a left-handed guitar player playing
>with Jethro Tull during their set.... the left
>handed guitar player is supposedly none other
>than (brace yourself) Tony Iommi (sp?) of Black
>Sabbath.
>
>Black Sabbath.... Jethro Tull.... yeah, I see the
>connection (not!).
These "celebrity" gatherings can produce some
odd -- but nevertheless great-sounding -- matchups.
A few years ago, I saw the tribute to Freddie
Mercury with Roger singing "I Want It All." When
the song reached the guitar solo, a sound
reminiscent of "a chain saw ripping through the flower
garden" came from stage right, along with none other
than Tony Iommi. Great matchup for the moment, at
least to me ...
>
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In a message dated 96-02-24 01:42:45 EST, DDAJon@aol.com writes:
>One of the things I would certainly be interested in
>hearing about is whether you all would actually
>want to see the 3 remaining Who members get
>together for another reunion tour and possibly an
>album or more.
"It depends." If Pete, John & Roger decided to
finish Lifehouse -- or record and release a
completely new album -- my co-workers wouldn't
see very much of me as long as the band is on
the road.
If, OTOH, they simply reassembled for a bigger
version of "Daltrey sings Townshend with an
orchestra overwhelming the background," then I
probably would check out a show for old times'
sake and leave it at that. At least to me, the '89
tour was uneven. The second Chicago show --
where the brass band was nearly invisible and
The Who ripped through a series of blues covers
because " 'allo Chicago, we started out doin' lots
o' blues -- Chicago Blues!" -- was a night I
could've died happy because that edge carried
over to everything, including the songs from Iron
Man.
By contrast, the Cotton Bowl show was
uncomfortably closer to some middle-aged men
leaning too much on the supporting cast. The low
point came when Pete forgot most of the lyrics to
"Rough Boys" and the backing chorus had to
start filling in the gaps. I *distinctly* remember
thinking that it was curtain time for the greatest
band in rock 'n' roll.
Even at that, however, I also remember the
attitudes of "Gen-Xers" at those shows and just
recently at John's shows. They walk in expecting
something like we saw in the Eagles reunion or
the various "unledded" things, with old men
reminiscing on acoustic guitars. Within a few
minutes, they're blown away by the combination
of intensity and *intelligence* that doesn't seem
to be in great abundance today. Or so I've been
told. Even though "it doesn't sound like the old
Who" to us, it's still way beyond today's mainstream.
Am I sounding ambivalent? Accurate impression.
To me, The Who used intelligent lyrics and driving
music to tell us that it's worthwhile to carry on under
difficult circumstances. That message is as relevant
as ever; it's not clear that Pete wants to continue
the journey at the front of the bus. If not, The Who
belongs in our memories. If so, I hope Fang will keep
us advised of the tour schedule (Pollstar, etc. have
been having intermittent growing pains). I'll be there.
Bob
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In a message dated 96-02-24 22:06:53 EST, Bogie3200@aol.com writes:
>I'd be interested to know what some of you consider
>to be underrated Who songs ... Having heard John
>live a couple times this year, I think many of his songs
>are underrated, and he seems to underrate much of
>his own solo material!
First vote for "Mary-Anne with the Shaky Hand" --
any song that Roger can't sing without laughing has
to be a gem.
The point about John's songs also is *very* good.
Methinx that his post-WBN writing was the most
consistent in the band, and often overlooked:
Had Enough (just *listen* to it live...)
905
It's Your Turn (lousy mix, great lyrics)
I guess it's kinda faddish to slag IH, but looking
past the mix (again), "Cry If You Want" struck me
as well worth the listen. More traditionally, when
going to see JAE one of the car tapes included "The
Song Is Over." Somebody besides me, asked the
rhetorical question "why doesn't anybody write
songs like that anymore?" So I guess it's a keeper ...
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In a message dated 96-02-24 17:28:47 EST, WFang01@aol.com writes:
> At the fest, I was told that this was "The New Who"
>and I was asked what I thought about them continuing
>on with the "name", "The Who". ... I don't have a
>problem with that. If it meant having a successful band
>and on-going performances ... People will fill the stadiums
>whether Pete's there or not ...
>
>After all, what's in a name???
The Stones "did it" after Brian Jones; a better example
might be Pink Floyd carrying on after Sid Barrett and Roger
Waters. I've already spent enough time on the soapbox
foaming my ambivalence, so I'll just point out that the
emphasis would have to be on "successful band and on-
going performances." Roger & John, et al., would have to
fill the songwriting void and overcome the notion that it's
just another crack in the coffin (to borrow from JAE's
tourbook). All in all, I'd rather not see it than to see something
akin to putting lipstick on a corpse. ...
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>Actually, I kinda disagree... I was very happy with the show at "The Who
>Fest" (not to be confused with the title of that "other" post floating around
>here).
WF:
To be clear about the whole thing, you're talking about The Who Convention
(no matter what it was called) which featured people from the band and
involved with different aspects of the band and vendors and Tshirts and so
on. The WhoFest (a festival, the second of which is coming this August) is a
group of fans getting together to celebrate the band and share thoughts,
knowledge, and music by the band.
Just to save confusion...
Cheers ML
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I have so little time, as I untangle a web of CDs for selling (hopefully) in
the next two weeks...but wanted to add my two cents on:
QUAD: They should cut nothing, as anyone who would even consider buying it
would pay the higher price. What are they thinking, that possible new fans
will be put off by the price? I doubt anyone at all will buy the remix who
hasn't at least heard the album before. So it's a moot point.
However, if something MUST be cut I would vote for I Am The Sea.
Mood-setting or not, that's the most disposable and least Who of the work.
Insult time: Come on, guys! Really now...
Should They play: live, no...it would be a disappointment, and too much like
Daltrey Sings Townshend or The Stones or Plant/Page...whom they would
certainly be compared to. In the studio, yes! Pete promised us this in `82,
and I'd love to hear Siege (the album he was writing on the road) for instance.
And finally, I have somewhat made my way through the CDs and have two
someone might be interested in (others, too...but nothing TOO exciting and
I'll leave them until I have them all in the store).
HIGHLIGHTS: THE WHO'S TOMMY - Original Cast (`94) RCA
includes: I Believe With My Own Eyes $6 plus shipping
EVERYONE LOVES THE PILOT (Except The Crew) - Jon Astley (`87) Atlantic
remixer of the new Who releases, and Pete's Bro-In-Law. This one doesn't
have the front sleeve, but it sounds fine. A bit like Bowie, if you ask me.
$5 plus shipping
Shipping being $3 for one CD, and 50 cents for each additional.
Anyway, I thought I'd offer these two here first...not something rare and
exciting, but completists may be interested. As I said before, I will list
everything that comes in of any possible interest on the Digest. If you have
any requests for non-Who related, please feel free to Email...
Cheers ML
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From: Slipkid@gnn.com (Ian Derby)
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>Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:02:57 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Gary M. Gillman" <garyg@inforamp.net>
>Just a quick follow-up to my last post to say that I also agree however
> with
>WFang that Keith played very well live in 1975 in some shows. The evidence
>is, in part, on the 30 years` video (Dreaming From The Waist).
In response to you and WF on my original comment I'll add this. I feel that
Keith's best playing live reached a wall around 1972. However that doesn't
mean he still wasn't great or good in '73 or '75. I happen to like his
performances from both tours, but they aren't as intricate or daring. It's
hard to describe with words what I'm talking about but I hear it in the
music. It isn't until '78 when he nearly hits bottom, but there was a
gradual decline in his performance previous to that year.
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So much for this photographer trying to earn a little money selling
her work. Nevertheless, I think all of you should have an opportunity to
have copies of my photographs...FOR FREE. Simply e-mail me your address
(US); I will send them to the FIRST FIVE RESPONSES ONLY. When I can
afford the cost and the time, perhaps I will go beyond the first five, but
that would probably be much later.
Stacey
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From: mick.mclaughlin@nashville.com
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Subject: Re: Quad reissue and TKAA
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T>
T> Ian, re:
T>
T> >Did you delete the commercials? My MTV copy at SP speed was under 120 mins
T> (commercials absent).
T>
T> I believe I recorded it at a time when they actually played it commercial
T> free (probably back in the early 80's), but alas, the tape still ran out!
T>
T> -wf
Mine copy also came from the Showtime broadcast and it fit on a 120 tape.
I think you either had a short tape, or didn't start at the beginning.
Mick McLaughlin
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I agree with Mark. If the Stones can be nominated for a Grammy as a result of
a rather tepid new album released by what was ONCE a great rock n roll band,
then the Who could get together and blow us all away -- it wouldn't
necessarily have to be Lifehouse, since WN and Psychoderelict pretty much
covered that territory -- but a rock opera would be nice. Especially one with
a sci-fi plot. It would be interesting to see what a combination of their
musical maturity could yield -- and THEN they could tour with it. What can
John and Roger do now but keep playing Who songs? Unless their careers pick
up. They can't just lay down and die, can they?
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Thanks to those interested in the photographs. Unfortunately for
those who haven't contacted me yet, I already have five responses. Like I
said before, when I can afford both the time and money to do more, I'll
make that offer again.
Tx,
Stacey
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The song that first made me a huge fan of Keith's drumming was Won't Get
Fooled Again (especially the version on Who's Next). The performance is
magnificant--extraordinarily powerful yet remarkably complex. When Kenney
Jones and Simon Phillips tried to drum it they just banged it out and were
not subtle at all. The song's structure makes it very difficult to drum on,
but Keith soared to great heights on this song.
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Nomand, re:
>Roger & John, et al., would have to fill the songwriting void
Did I mention that Pete was considering writing for them if that was a go? I
guess I forgot that part!
-wf
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Mark, re:
>To be clear about the whole thing, you're talking about The Who
Convention...
Now, you don't think anyone else was confused, do yah?
-wf
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Mick, re:
>
>Mine copy also came from the Showtime broadcast and it fit on a 120 tape.
think you either had a short tape, or didn't start at the beginning.
Definately not a short tape... Perhaps the Showtime version was the edited
one?
BTW, any movie buffs out there with a movie book that will give the exact run
time of the original movie???
-wf
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Nomad, re:
> The point about John's songs also is *very* good. Methinx that his
post-WBN writing was the most consistent in the band, and often overlooked:
Personally, I think "One At A Time" is one of his best. Sorta like a "My Wife
Part 2"...
Too bad HE doesn't like it anymore...
-wf
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At 10:46 AM 96.2.23 -0800, Brad Gray wrote:
> When I bought the 30 Years Box Set there was a card
>included from MCA that asked several Who related questions. The card
>said if you sent it in, that MCA would send you updates on future Who
>projects. I sent my card in and never got anything back. I am
>wondering if anyone here ever got anything from MCA?
> Thanks, Brad
I sent mine in and got jack squat.
cmh
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At 2:35 PM 96.2.23 -0500, WFang01@aol.com wrote:
>Chris, re:
>
>> in which a fat European (German?) man is proclaiming the Who to be
>>the greatest thing since sliced bread.
>
>HA! HA! That's Ken Russel, the guy who directed the "Tommy" movie! (Why would
>you want to insult our German friends?)
>
>As for the "bondage" part, I think you're confused with the MTV version,
>which chopped that out...
>
>-wf
I'm surprised to here that that was Russel; his accent didn't sound
British. You're probably right about the bondage scene, but I know they
cut out those two quotes from Roger and John. Inexcusable! And speeding
it up - AARRGGHH! Do you get the idea I'm pissed about this? :)
cmh
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From: bkawa@ix.netcom.com (Bruce Kawakami)
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Hi all,
The following is in the latest issue of Goldmine:
"The British Castle Commincations group of labels, which includes
Castle, Dojo, and Sequel, has set up shop in the US and will begin
launching product this month. Both new releases and reissues are
expected."
Hmm, I wonder if this means we (Americans) can get the IOW CD
domestically? I hope so. It didn't say where their offices were, but
I would guess either NYC or LA.
Bruce
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Fang (I'd call you Rich but that might get confusing since we share first
names)
>hMMM... I guess it depends on who's perspective... For someone who hate's
>"It's Hard", "Cry If You Want" is an "underrated song". For someone who
loves
>the album, they may not even be thinking along those lines...
>What criteria would you use to determine what constitutes "underrated"???
People on this list can offer their own criteria, but you're in the
neighborhood of what I have in mind--i.e., since many people on this list
DON'T seem to share our fondness for It's Hard (based on past discussions
here), then several songs off that LP could be nominated by lovers OR haters
of that LP. Along these lines, I don't like Face Dances anywhere near as
much as It's Hard, but I had mentioned "Another Tricky Day" as an underrated
song in my opinion.
I hinted at a different criterion in my original posting: Songs that don't
seem to get mentioned on this list frequently but perhaps deserve to. I'm
suddenly reminded of Pete responding to criticism of his allowing some songs
to be used as advertising jingles (Love Reign O'er Me, I Can See For
Miles...); it was probably around 1989. He said something about how there
were so many of his good songs that were rarely heard on radio, so why
shouldn't HE make more money off the few tunes that people might recognize...
A third qualification might be songs that weren't released as A-sides in the
US/UK.
I imagine that other people will offer different reasons...
Rich
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Dan, it may be that you and I think very much alike. There are several songs
from Quad that I think are underrated, but I thought I'd only mention "The
Dirty Jobs" for starters. "The Punk..." would also be on my list.
The second song you mentioned, "Melancholia," is probably my favorite among
all the bonus tracks we're being blessed with.
"Relay" is probably the favorite song of my good friend Pam (Psrox@aol.com)
and in my mind is very likely the most underrated among their A-sides.
Finally, "So Sad About Us" was one I basically ignored until the boxed set
came out, and I really regret not playing it much, much more over the years!
Rich
Oh, I also happen to agree with just about everything RWNomad had to say on
this subject. I think my personal list of underrated songs is getting pretty
long...
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>Information gathered from Ticketmaster for the Chicago John Entwistle show
at the Park West.
>
> Date: Thursday, March 14
> Seating: General Admission
> Age Restrictions: None ( all ages show)
> Starting Time: 7:30 > Doors Open: 6:00
>
> I'll be there. Will any other subscribers be there?
Possibly, with an ex-roommate of mine. And Pam, are you interested as well?
Rich
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> It seems that, if you have the video for RS's R&R Circus, which I
>don't, you'll see a left-handed guitar player playing with Jethro Tull
>during their set.... the left handed guitar player is supposedly none
>other than (brace yourself) Tony Iommi (sp?) of Black Sabbath.
Tony Iommi was a member of Jethro Tull for a short period.
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In a message dated 96-02-25, Mark Leaman wrote:
>QUAD: They should cut nothing, as anyone who would even consider buying it
would
>pay the higher price. What are they thinking, that possible new fans will be
put off by
>the price?
Well, my kid brother works in his high school's book store, and while doing
inventory with a few of his coworkers he played Quadrophenia for them. He
said they were all astounded at how great it is! For these kids, who'd only
heard it once, I think buying it in the near future is more of a possibility
if it's cheaper (i.e., one disc). Maybe the price wouldn't be much of a
factor very often, but I would like to see as many teenagers develop a love
for The Who as possible.
Rich
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One way to get the attendance up at Roger's or John's shows would be to use
the WHO name. I know this idea offends many hard core WHO fans. Just look at
Pink Floyd. They toured without Roger Waters and were a huge success. When
David Gilmour toured solo he had nowhere near the numbers he had using the
Floyd name. I have no problem with John or Roger using the who name. I never
had the chance to see to see THE WHO with Keith but the shows I did see were
great! I also saw the Daltrey Sings Townshend show in Toronto and I think it
was the best show I saw that year. People should get over the fact that The
Who should not exist because Keith is dead or that Pete doesn't want to
tour. Pete, Roger, and John are in there 50's now so it's just a matter of
time before nobody has a chance to see anyone of them at all! We should be
thankful to see any of these guys in whatever form it may be.
STEVE
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From: Jeff Williams <jeffw@mxim.com>
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Once again I would take Kevin Winn`s side completely with
all verbage as listed, no modifications necessary.
Once again, many friends 'o' mine who have NO OTHER Who
albums, but've heard most of them, consider Quad to be
the greatest album of all time.
I find it hard to dignify any other observations. Call me
arrogant. That's O.K. I get this group digested now... Won`t
mail ya back.....
JW
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From: kob1@ix.netcom.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:50:46 GMT
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On Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:44:36 -0500, WFang01@aol.com wrote:
>Mick, re:
>>
>>Mine copy also came from the Showtime broadcast and it fit on a 120 tape.
> think you either had a short tape, or didn't start at the beginning.
>
>Definately not a short tape... Perhaps the Showtime version was the edited
>one?
>
>BTW, any movie buffs out there with a movie book that will give the exact run
>time of the original movie???
Leonard Maltin lists it as 108 minutes.
Kevin B. O'Brien
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From: Shane Matheson <matheso@gaul.csd.uwo.ca>
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On Sun, 25 Feb 1996, STEVE T. GLOSNEK wrote:
> One way to get the attendance up at Roger's or John's shows would be to use
> the WHO name. I know this idea offends many hard core WHO fans. Just look at
> Pink Floyd. They toured without Roger Waters and were a huge success. When
> David Gilmour toured solo he had nowhere near the numbers he had using the
> Floyd name. I have no problem with John or Roger using the who name. I never
Just Roger & John going on tour as The Who would be like Robert Plant &
John Paul Jones touring as Zeppelin. Not only are they missing the
drummer, but also the chief writer, and once you lose half of the band
members, it's hard to call it the same band. I'd much prefer to see
Pete's next album to come out (!) with an old associate of his doing some
of the vocals (but not all, I like Pete's voice), and one hell of a bass
player that may pitch in a song or two and no tour than see Roger & John
be jukeboxes spewing out 25 year old songs. I've got the CDs, so I can
hear the songs done from when Roger's voice would hold out for more than
an hour, and they had THE Townshend playing, not A Townshend playing, not
to mention an incredible drummer, instead of the son of a merely competent
drummer and a 15 piece orchestra.
> Who should not exist because Keith is dead or that Pete doesn't want to
> tour. Pete, Roger, and John are in there 50's now so it's just a matter of
> time before nobody has a chance to see anyone of them at all! We should be
> thankful to see any of these guys in whatever form it may be.
Rent the Woodstock video & see the Who as they should be remembered,
available in LD, VHS and probably Beta form, and not a couple of old
geezers who were once in a band & still trying to milk the name for money.
I'd rather they spent the time doing something new instead of
regurgitating the Who (though I have and would see them do just that, and
enjoy it) even if it was just getting an all star band together, as long
as they came up with some new material much like the Wilburys did.
Shane Matheson MechEng/CompSci UWO
"I smash guitars because I like them. " -- Pete Townshend
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From: YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR)
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NP: Zep, Train Kept A Rollin' San Fran 10 Jan 1969
Rich,
RE> Tom's comment, along with his subsequent mention of "Another
Tricky Day",> started me thinking.....
Well, Rich, I must say, this is a first... usually, my antics put
people to sleep... at least that's what my boss tells me.... ;-)
RE: Underrated Who Songs. This is an excellent topic... I was
thinking about this on the drive home tonight, in fact. Naturally, "In
a Hand or A Face" and "Another Tricky Day" top my Most Underrated Who
Song List.
However, in the car tonight, and I was listening to Fillmore East 1968
show, and there is one song I'd certainly add to this list: "Relax."
No, no the Frankie Goes To Hollywood song, but the one from SELL OUT.
The octave changes in the middle of the song (When Pete takes the lead
vocals, and says something about "Judgement Day") are ingenious, and
it's a very pleasant song with wonderful harmonies. Moreover, done
live (at least on the Fillmore East 68 show), they take off on this
extended jam at the end of the song, ala My Generation. I'm not sure
how long they played this song live (just the SELL OUT tour?), but it's
a shame it doesn't appear on more live recordings (at least the ones I
have). There's so much more they could have added to it.
And while I'm on the topic of SELL OUT, I'd add "Early Morning Cold
Taxi" and or course, "Sunrise"(which isn't underrated by Who fans, but
certainly under/never played by radio stations...) to the list of
underrated Who songs....
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
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From: YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR)
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NP: Zep, As Long As I Have You, San Fran 10 Jan 1969
Dear Mr. J Stotts,
RE:> I enjoyed your post, here...Could have sworn that Tap's St.
Hubbin's first> name was David, though.... > Go, Nigel Go.
<blushing> Glad you enjoyed the post, sorry about the Spinal Tap faux
pas... Nigel: "We've got armadillos in our trousers..."
SPINAL TAP INTERLUDE: "I'm sure I'd care more if I wasn't under such
heavy sedation..."
Speaking of Spinal Tap, remember the Stonehenge Part? "The problem
may have been that there was Stonehenge monument in danger of being
crushed by a dwarf."
Well, it seems that the Spinal Tap Stonehenge was a parody of a Black
Sabbath stunt some years back.
The following is a description of BS show that was posted today on
Digital Graffiti, the Zeppelin Digest...
Enjoy!
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
-----*-----
"although the Stonehenge gag may also be a poke
>at Zeppelin's "Stonehenge" theme at their Oakland show in 1977."
>
>Can anyone enlighten me on what the Stonehenge theme at Oakland
>was please?
I don't know about that, but I DO know that the Stonehenge sketch from
the Spinal Tap film was NOT based on Zep. It was based on a Black
Sabbath show. Vocalist Ian Gilliam (I think that's his name) recalled
the incident in a hilarious article in the December 1994 issue of Mojo
magazine (the same one that ran a cover story on P&P, incidentally).
It seems Sabbath had recently released an album called Born Again,
which had what Gilliam called "the most vile cover I had ever seen"--a
baby with red horns and painted yellow fingernails. Some brilliant
band member came up with the idea that they should have a life-size
model of Stonehenge as the backdrop for gigs during their UK tour. The
trouble was, they couldn't get the model into the concert hall. There
was a dwarf dressed up in a yellow leotard with plastic red horns and
painted fingernails to play the baby.
At any rate, the show was supposed to start with the dwarf (baby)
falling backwards off the top of "Stonehenge" with a digitally-enhanced
scream, followed by the Sabbath roadies walking across the stage
chanting, and then "War Pigs" was to be played. As Gilliam recalls,
"at this point we can see the kids are in stitches or wincing in
horror." To make matters worse, no-one had bothered to test-run the
dry ice to be used, and Gilliam had to write down the lyrics because he
couldn't remember them. SO...he's standing there, waving the dry-ice
"fog" out of the way so he could see his lyric sheet, and the audience
is shouting, "look! It's Ronnie Dio!"
I thought the real incident was even funnier than the Spinal Tap film,
and suggest anyone who has this issue of Mojo to check it out!!
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In a message dated 96-02-25 19:56:28 EST, you write:
>BTW, any movie buffs out there with a movie book that will give the exact
run
>time of the original movie???
>
>
According to Leonard Maltin, TKAA is 108 minutes (which he describes as
"overlong"!)
best,
GaryM
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From: Aaron Yarlas <yarlas@psych.ucla.edu>
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On Sun, 25 Feb 1996, STEVE T. GLOSNEK wrote:
> One way to get the attendance up at Roger's or John's shows would be to use
> the WHO name. I know this idea offends many hard core WHO fans. Just look at
> Pink Floyd. They toured without Roger Waters and were a huge success. When
> David Gilmour toured solo he had nowhere near the numbers he had using the
> Floyd name. I have no problem with John or Roger using the who name.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> STEVE
>
I don't think anyone cares whether or not YOU have a problem with John or
Roger using the WHO name to sell tickets, but I think Pete would have a
mighty big problem, rightfully so, and I'm sure that the others have the
respect for him that they wouldn't do this. Gilmour and co. obviously
have no respect for Waters (and it is mutual), but despite their stormy
history, I believe that Pete, Roger, and John all have maintained a level
of friendship and respect that would prohibit this type of thing. Let
the WHO lay dead, long live Pete, Roger, and John in whatever they choose
to do.
Best,
Aaron
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Rich, re:
> Maybe the price wouldn't be much of a factor very often, but I would like
to see as many teenagers develop a love for The Who as possible.
I'm sure the kids of today, do the same thing that the kids did when we were
growing up. They chip in to buy the CD, make tapes, and then sell the now
"used" CD (probably to some store in Myrtle Beach...). "Quad" always fit nice
on a C-90...
-wf
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Rich, re:
>some songs to be used as advertising jingles
They used "Eminence Front" for a long time in-between commericals for the NY
Yankee games... Can't say how long as I stopped watching baseball MANY years
ago...
-wf
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Rich, re:
>"Relay" is probably the favorite song of my good friend Pam (Psrox@aol.com)
and in my mind is very likely the most underrated among their A-sides.
I never really considered that one "underrated". Perhaps "obscure" to a
degree as it unfortunately never made it's way to an "official" album. At
"The Who Fest", Roger said something like, "...and now we're going to do
something off of 'Odds & Sods'..." and played the best song of the
set--"Relay"... (I guess we all know now where the song is going...)
-wf (who also has "Relay" as one of his favs...)
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I wonder what ever happened to Jeff Stein, does anyone know? Is he still a
huge Who fan? What does he think of the filmed Who material released since
his groundbreaking film was made? And what`s up with Ira Robbins, who did
so much to promote interest in the Who through the Trouser Press? Hey guys,
it would be nice to have your input on the issues coming up on the list!
Gary M.
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I agree that if John and Roger tour together they shouldn't call themselves
"The Who" but to drum up interest (and thus ticket sales) I'd recommend that
they tour under the name "Half The WHO"! Actually, I liked somebody else's
"Detours" suggestion though that name is too obscure to generate extra ticket
sales.
I'd definitely like to see two and/or all three of the guys doing new
material, but I also like the reinterpretations of the old. For example,
many people on this list have expressed admiration at some of Roger's recent
reinterpretations (such as Imagine A Man) while John is now astounding
long-time fans by adding amazing bass solos to old standards. I think tours
AND an MTV unplugged should dump many of the more familiar concert songs and
highlight the "underrated" songs many of us have identified!
Rich
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Here's a response to Kevin's query:
(in no order)
1. WHO'S NEXT, The Who (no kidding)
2. MOVING PICTURES, Rush
3. WAR, U2
4. CLOSE TO THE EDGE, Yes
5. RUMOURS, Fleetwood Mac (first rock album I bought)
6. EMPTY GLASS, PT
7. CHINESE EYES, PT (I dunno about you guys, but I just cannot call it by
the full title that Pete gave it...)
8. GREEN, REM
9. THE WHO BY NUMBERS
10. The Who's Sept. 16, 1979 NYC boot (with the TIME magazine cover)
--Jim
The Who's
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Brad, re:
I too sent in the insert card from the Boxed Set and haven't received any Who
info. In fact, I had forgotten all about it until you brought it up! It
would be nice to be updated on Who reissues. Perhaps MCA didn't receive
enough response to consider it cost-effective to mail out information.
??
--Jim
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>Rich, re:
>
>> Maybe the price wouldn't be much of a factor very often, but I would like
>to see as many teenagers develop a love for The Who as possible.
>
>I'm sure the kids of today, do the same thing that the kids did when we were
>growing up. They chip in to buy the CD, make tapes, and then sell the now
>"used" CD (probably to some store in Myrtle Beach...). "Quad" always fit nice
>on a C-90...
And I know of a used CD store in Myrtle Beach that would love to get a used
copy of QUADROPHENIA, too.
Cheers ML
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WF, re:
>>>... AND, if I could go through my tapes and find the Howard Stern/JAE/Steve
Luongo interview from '88...
.... I would LOVE to hear that!!
gary m
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Aaron Yarlas,
> I don't think anyone cares whether or not YOU have a problem with John or
> Roger using the WHO name to sell tickets, but I think Pete would have a
> mighty big problem, rightfully so, and I'm sure that the others have the
In the Oct. 94 issue of Guitar World Peter said [to Roger and John] "Fuck
what anybody thinks. You're still the Who."
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Mark Leaman, Re:
> The WhoFest (a festival, the second of which is coming this August)
Really? Would you or anyone else please elaborate on this?
Tx,
Stacey
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Sorry if it seems like I've posted this before, but does anyone have a copy
of this CD they'd be willing to sell? I can't seem to find it in any of my
boot catalogs. If so, let me know. Also, can someone please send me the
setlist to the Largo, MD 73 show? I have a tape of it, but I don't think
it's the whole show...
-Matt
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I remember hearing JAE on Rockline a few years ago, and he played a tape
of some new songs he and his band had recorded. They were shopping it
for a record deal. I think the vocalist was from "Prism".
What ever happended to that tape?
Mike
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Gary, responding to me:
>RE: Sorry, but for me Pete`s guitar was mainly an> electric sound...).
Tom, responding to Gary:
>On this point, we agree entirely. It's the power chords that drew me
>to the Who in the beginning, and it's the power chords that I still
>like the best. The quieter style is nice and all, but give me ball-
>busting block chords at maximum decibel-level... I'll gladly risk
>walking with a limp... <JK>
There's no question that the scrotum-tightening stuff was what probably
got us all - I don't know of any who fan who was first hooked by
"Sunrise." But the fact that there exists the clear evidence of an
artist (PT) and a band (The Who) in a dynamic state of exploration makes
the attraction for me much deeper. I can listen to any number of bands
to bash my head against the wall, but there's so much more that Who music
means. To say Pete's sound was mainly electric is a bit of an
over-simplification. His techniques have always tended toward jazz, from
his right-hand flamenco strumming to his chord structures. The fact that
he was one of the first to turn his amp up past 2 may have contributed to
his popularity, but it's hardly the basis for his entire sound. He's a
great guitarist, period. And great guitarists sound great on whatever
they play. As Jeff says "the acoustic does not lie."
I agree with Tom that the driving factor behind PT's broader applications
may have been maturity, fueled by the keen sense of trying to take the
Who in a different direction. He had realized that he had come to the
end of what he could do with "BLSHKKRKGHTRMMOOMMKNNT!" guitaring.
And I wasn't trying to dismiss anything by suggesting that the mix were
responsible. I happen to agree with Fang that Keith never really got a
fair shake production-wise on any of their albums. But it was pretty
well known that the rest of the band wasn't happy with Pete's job on the
production, especially Roger. Curiously, which lines in The Real Me and
LROM do you feel demonstrate RD's over-extension? I can't hear it,
myself. Those two songs, in particular, serve as nothing but a showcase
of his range for me.
Ken, re:Synth on Quad:
I don't have the disc with me right now, but I think the Dirty Jobs has
some single line synth notes over the real strings, at least right in the
beginning, and also in the chorus, before RD sings "I'm not gonna weep
again..." You are right, however, that there are less than most people
think, but there's still a whole bunch o'electronic on Quad. But it's
not like a Rick Wakeman album or anything.
Most Underrated Who Songs: my definition is based on what songs I never
saw any hint of promo, radio, video etc, plus the songs I hear discussed
on the List least often (except by me, of course)
Relay
Punk Meets the Godfather
As I've mentioned, Dirty Jobs.
I've Known No War
Go To The Mirror
almost anything by Entwistle, especially
Trick of The Light
Whiskey Man
Favorite Keith showpieces:
Young Man Blues (Leeds or TKAA)
AQO (Leeds)
The Rock
Bargain
New Who record/tour:
record, yes...
cabaret tour, no...
unplugged tour, definitely!
I'm looking forward to seeing a couple of John's shows next week. I hope
they're really loud...
OK,
KLW
NP: "Anyday" Derek & the Dominos
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>> And while I'm on the topic of SELL OUT, I'd add "Early Morning Cold
Taxi" and or course, "Sunrise"(which isn't underrated by Who fans, but
certainly under/never played by radio stations...) to the list of
underrated Who songs....
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
Do you want to hear something outrageous? Here in Chicago there is a station
called Q101, and they did an advertising parody of Sesame Street's "One of
these sounds is not like the others . . ." They proceeded with songs A and B,
which sounded like a random barrage of noise, and C was Baba O'Reily. Then
they said "If you guessed C you're right! If you want to HEAR Q101 music then
listen to Q101 . . ." Imagine not playing the Who and bragging about it!!
That's one station I'll keep away from . . .
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At 10:46 AM 96.2.23 -0800, Brad Gray wrote:
> When I bought the 30 Years Box Set there was a card
>included from MCA that asked several Who related questions. The card
>said if you sent it in, that MCA would send you updates on future Who
>projects. I sent my card in and never got anything back. I am
>wondering if anyone here ever got anything from MCA?
> Thanks, Brad
I sent mine in and got jack squat.
cmh
http://www.trn.or.jp:80/~chris/
150 " "sa'J f" 3-12-12
3-12-12 Shibuya-ku Higashi, Tokyo 150
TEL: 03-3486-8861 FAX: 03-3486-8862
Chris,
I got the box set for my 22nd B-day and sent the card the same day. And EVERY
SINGLE DAY I would rush out to get the mail in hopes of seeing SOMETHING there
-- this was before I had a computer to talk to Who fans with -- just MCA
ripping us off again with false promises. Man, the Who were good but they
sure made some lousy business decisions!
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Mike, re:
>I remember hearing JAE on Rockline a few years ago, and he played a tape
>of some new songs he and his band had recorded. They were shopping it
>for a record deal. I think the vocalist was from "Prism".
>What ever happended to that tape?
The "tape" is now what is... "The Rock"...
As for the vocalist... his name is Henry Small. Great voice, but I have no
other info on him...
-wf
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Gary, re:
>.... I would LOVE to hear that!!
So would I. I have so many unlabeled tapes, dating back to 1980, that's it's
not even funny. I don't even remember if I put it on Beta, or VHS!
The one thing I would like to have, is the 1st interview Stern did with Roger
Daltrey. Howard kissed his <Bev Crusher> bigger than anyone else he's ever
had on the show...
So... hopefully in the next several months, I'll find some of this stuff... I
can't think of anything more boring than popping in old tapes that you stop
and wonder why you ever bothered to record this crap in the first place!
-wf
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>Mark Leaman, Re:
>
>> The WhoFest (a festival, the second of which is coming this August)
>
>Really? Would you or anyone else please elaborate on this?
Stacey:
Gladly! Last year a group of Who fans got together here in Myrtle Beach, SC
to meet etc. The first Baba Center is also here, and we WERE going to tour
it (and meet some Townshend intimates), but it never happened...we were
having too much fun. This year, definitely!
I tried to get the thing together for next month, when Entwistle will be
playing here...but it was pushed back to August, most likely the first week.
So we are doing it again, and all Who fans are invited to join us. This year
the "headquarters" will be Generations Used Cds...for I rented the building
today! I'm almost open.
Again, I will make the offer to help anyone find accomodations here (LOTS of
motels/hotels, but reservations should be made soon) and there is easy
access from Chicago, Newark, Philly, and NYC via MB Jet Express at $60-70
bucks. They may have other cities as well; I'll find out for anyone who is
interested. Lots of things to do here also for any non-Who spouses and/or
kids, too...this is a beach resort.
Anyway, I hope you (and many others) will come this year. It's looking very
good right now, and I can definitely say that last year was great.
Oh yeah, and for those who might be interested...there's a KinksFest April
26th-29th...just around the corner.
Cheers ML
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From: "Eddie W. Presley Jr." <epresley@iu.net>
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> One way to get the attendance up at Roger's or John's shows would be =
to use
> the WHO name. I know this idea offends many hard core WHO fans. Just =
look at
> Pink Floyd. They toured without Roger Waters and were a huge success. =
When
> David Gilmour toured solo he had nowhere near the numbers he had using =
the
> Floyd name. I have no problem with John or Roger using the who name.
Well, if they did use the Who name I would like to see a disclaimer with =
it somewhere for sure. But...we are assuming that Pete, Rog, John and =
the labels haven't thought about any of this! I'm quite sure they have =
thought of this from all the angles, and the only reason they don't =
tour/record/perform more is because THEY CHOOSE not too. It's not a big =
conspiracy. Rog and John are big boys with lots of money and lots of =
influence and if they wanted to be on the road everything other year =
behind an album, they could. There are tons of cronies who would go with =
them from their usual touring musicians to maybe even big names like =
Ringo, guys from the Kinks, any of the young guns today who sight Pete =
and the Who as an influence...(let's not start that again...) They could =
if they wanted to...they don't because THEY CHOOSE not too. The only =
real thing to ask at this point is: "Why do they choose to do this?" But =
then it's not like they owe us anything... Or do they?????
eddie
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Ameba, re:
>Do you want to hear something outrageous? Blah, blah, blah, etc, blah, blah,
blah...
a) You continued rambling on after you asked the question. Thus not allowing us
to answer you, therefore making the question irrelevant.
b) To answer your question (although unfortunately too late)... No. I'd prefer
-not- to hear something -you- consider "outrageous".
-wf
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A lot of the songs noted, e.g., Another Tricky Day, The Punk And The
Godfather, Cry If You Want, You, etc., are certainly all fine songs, and
could have been great Who songs in my opinion but for an accident of mixing
them this way or that, increasing the speed of a track, or slowing it down,
the particular production values applied, or whatever. Here is where the
opinion of a third party, possibly one outside the band`s then production
team but otherwise very close to the band, might have made a difference,
e.g., by saying no, the mix is not right there; or, Moon`s drums are fading
out here; or, put that guitar on TOP of the mix in the right-hand stereo
channel for chrissakes!; and so forth, and here I`d like to offer a theory -
just a theory - as to why the Who`s sound seems to have changed on record
after WN (for better or worse, that`s a different story). Could it be
because Kit Lambert ceased to have any real influence on the band after WN,
and PT`s influence grew in proportion? Yet as someone who was heavily
involved with the Who from the beginning, who helped them fashion their
style and sound, at least on record (according to JAE he was a key part of
the genesis of Tommy), Kit Lambert would have known as much as the band
about what worked worked for them, if not more so in a commercial sense (as
he had managed the Who for years). Any thoughts here?
Gary M.
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Well I agree partly with what Kevin says in his last post about Pete`s
playing, and yes, the acoustic doesn`t really lie - I loved the acoustic
guitars on Tommy, for example, but volume still makes a big difference - it
brings out the full dynamic range of the instrument. Like John Atkins has
said, PT`s use of volume in effect added a fourth instrument to the band -
I guess all I`m saying is that I preferred THAT instrument to (in general)
the Who`s use of piano, or horns (pace JAE), or strings, or excessive synth.
Also, one has to distinguish between PT`s lead playing and his signature
rhythm work - he was not a great lead player but he was a great rhythm
guitarist, and the - quiet to boot - lead lines on Quad sounded mostly par
for the course to me compared to the power riffing on much (certainly not
all) of the Who`s earlier music. Yes, I was willing to go along with PT`s
artistic inclinations, and liked some of his experiments, but the post-Quad
direction of the band mostly left me cold. Re Daltrey`s singing, listen on
TRM when he sings "can you see the real me" an octave up in the middle of
the tune: he can barely make it. In general, I notice a lot of gruffness in
his vocals on that record, as if there is phlegm in his voice; the earlier
records don`t show this, although possibly this is a question of production
and/or the band`s dedication. Where did I read that PT said that for WAY or
TWBN, I think the latter, each member recorded his track seperately and sent
it in to the producer? Also, didn`t Rog have a minor operation on his throat
in the mid-70`s to remove nodules? Enough said...
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From: Shane Matheson <matheso@gaul.csd.uwo.ca>
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On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Amira Boctor wrote:
> Do you want to hear something outrageous? Here in Chicago there is a station
> called Q101, and they did an advertising parody of Sesame Street's "One of
> these sounds is not like the others . . ." They proceeded with songs A and B,
> which sounded like a random barrage of noise, and C was Baba O'Reily. Then
> they said "If you guessed C you're right! If you want to HEAR Q101 music then
> listen to Q101 . . ." Imagine not playing the Who and bragging about it!!
> That's one station I'll keep away from . . .
Wow, I was in Chicago last week, and in 18 hours I heard 3 Who songs
(WGFA, Behind Blue Eyes & Pinball Wizard) on the same radio station,
which was especially appreciated since I'd just driven from Memphis
through central Illinois which has to be the absolute worst vacuum of
decent radio on the continent. I think the station was 95. something and
they seemed to play the standard 70s classic rock stuff, but with a
healthy dose of The Who (either that or I really timed my listening
well)
Shane Matheson MechEng/CompSci UWO
"I smash guitars because I like them. " -- Pete Townshend
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On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 Extremus@aol.com wrote:
> Come on, folks--this is THE WHO list, not Toddlers 'R Us.
>
> If you must send petulant temper tantrums via e-mail, at least do it
> privately. And if you don't have the self-control for that, at the minimum,
> properly title your subject so the adults among us can ignore you, as is
> appropriate for tantrums.
>
> However brilliant you think your little insults are, us big kids (stable or
> not), aren't amused. Or interested.
>
> And no, don't bother flaming me. I'll be deleting all mail, unread, from the
> infantile.
>
> Mick
>
>
Mick!
What'd I miss?!
Elvira
Captain Lissa V. Young Department of Social Psychology
2046 Kentucky Street The University of Kansas
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I, myself, have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments
that differentiate me from a doormat...
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From: giorgian@capital.net (Joe Giorgianni)
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Hi all,
For those that are interested I have now added a scan to the U.S.
section of my web page of a store copy of "Young Man
Blues/Substitute." It is the only copy I have seen or heard of in over
twenty years of collecting.
As always, comments and suggestions are welcome. I also thank all of
you for the nice compliments I have received.
Joe Giorgianni
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If you are interested in the Who and their records please check out my web page at:
http://www.capital.net/users/giorgian/
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Anyone on this list who is going to attend one of JAEs upcoming shows
please contact me directly. I have a favor to ask.
Kreg Walvoord
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I feel compelled to say that IMO Rog's voice has held up great through the
years, especially when compared to say, Robert Plant. As for him being
gruff, that's how I like him to sound, but there are many places on Quad
(and thereafter) where his voice doesn't sound the least bit strained. Did
he really have a throat operation in the '70's? This is the first I've
heard of it.
cmh
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From: Slipkid@gnn.com (Ian Derby)
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Yesterday I was going through the "music links" on the CDNOW web page and
found none for the Who. If you would like to advertise to those who aren't
in the know, send e-mail to mailbox@cdnow.com.
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From: kob1@ix.netcom.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
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On Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:30:41 -0500, Bogie3200@aol.com wrote:
>Finally, "So Sad About Us" was one I basically ignored until the boxed set
>came out, and I really regret not playing it much, much more over the years!
I tend to think my tastes are a bit different from those of many on
this list. I really like the old stuff.
In fact, I prefer The Who Sell Out to Who's Next.
(Quick, where can I hide? They are coming after me.)
So I guess most of Sell Out seems underrated to me. I think we all
agree that I Can See For Miles is the best AM radio song ever written.
But Armenia is fabulous psychedelia. Tattoo is a work of genius, both
in the lyrics and the music. In Odorono, Pete puts more sweetness into
a joke song than most people can put into a serious love song.
Rael is a lovely little piece, overlooked because it comes between A
Quick One and Tommy, but it has its virtues. I would argue that the
music is more *unified* than A Quick One. AQO is really a bunch of
musically disconnected themes smashed together, while Rael *flows*
musically. And several of the themes of Tommy appear here first. The
musical themes stand out, of course, but how about the lyrical presage
of "He's crazy if he thinks we're going back again" leading up to
"We're not gonna take it."?
Finally, I call your attention to Sunrise. This is such a lovely song,
and would be worthy on its own in any case. But it is even more
significant that this comes from the band that made their reputation
smashing things, and later went on to record Live at Leeds. Could
there be any greater statement of the *breadth* of Townshend's writing
talent?
So I say that the most neglected part of the Who's output is The Who
Sell Out. If I had to take ten disks on my Desert Isle exile, I would
take two from the Who: Live at Leeds, and The Who Sell Out.
There, I have staked out my position. You may fire when ready!
Kevin B. O'Brien
kob1@ix.netcom.com
"John Connally's conversion to the GOP raised the intellectual
level of both parties." Frank Mankiewicz
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You bring up some good points concerning "The Who Sell Out". Underrated?
Yes, in terms of airplay, but I think it's one of the most
critically-acclaimed of all The Who albums. I've read a lot of positive
reviews for it.
Perhaps because it starts out as only a "concept album", and not a "rock
opera", people don't get turned off by it. It doesn't demand "serious
attention" in other words. Therefore, critics don't review it with a bias or
preconceived notions...We know, however, just how important and how wonderful
the music on it is.
Then again, I could be full of it, too....
Dan Senesky
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Hello fans and friends,
As a long time Who fan and a drummer as well, my two bits for Keith's best
tunes are:
Bargain - exemplarary double bass and top kit work
Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere - terrific power pop drumming
I Can See For Miles - their best single threatens to literally explode!
Underture - ranges from power to subtlety in few ways Moon ever showed
Daddy Rolling Stone - Maximum R & B drumming with proper accents by Keith
There's more to drumming than sturm und drang - as John Bonham got into and
failed to get out of. Subtlety, dynamics, paradiddles, 13 stroke rolls etc,
plus the fact that Keith threw the rules out by accenting quite often the one
and three beats rather than the two and four as others did, not that he
didn't do that either! One of the best descriptions I ever heard about he
Who's sound was from a friend and he said that their secret was the fact that
unlike other power trios, they had a lead guitarist, lead bassist and a lead
drummer! Pete wrote his songs in the percussive style he did because he had
the type of drummer that didn't just lay down a back beat like Ringo
(boring!!) or Charlie Watts (nice fills - jazzy, and rock's best metronome).
With Kenny Jones, who played much better in the early Small faces mod years,
he didn't have that anymore and the songs suffered accordingly.
Thanks for listening. By the way, I have only three books left fro the Who
In Sweden with bonus CD. $68 plus shipping if interested.
Thanks folks,
Greg Biggs
CVC Collectables
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586-6763 fax
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From: YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR)
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Mark,
Kudos on renting your store! You're almost across the goalline!
RE: Whofest. Ah, yes, many of my perfectly good brain cells were
left in the bars of MB last year at Whofest. A good time, to be sure.
Come one, come all. If anyone else attends, ensure that you bring
your blank tapes... lots of boot trading arose from last year's
festivities....
Btw, there's plenty to do in Myrtle Beach besides drink... it's just
that it's a tad warm in MB in August, and we didn't want to... you know,
"dehydrate" last year. ;-)
RE:> Last year a group of Who fans got together here in Myrtle Beach,
> SC> to meet etc. The first Baba Center is also here, and we WERE
going to tour
> it (and meet some Townshend intimates), but it never happened...we
were
> having too much fun.
I wish we had gone to the Baba Center, but alas, we were having "too
much fun" (read: we were hungover <G>).
RE:> Oh yeah, and for those who might be interested...there's a
KinksFest April
> 26th-29th...just around the corner.
Doh! I still need to make my reservations!
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
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(Hmm, I think something went wrong when I attempted to send this out this
morning, so here goes again...)
I agree that if John and Roger tour together they shouldn't call themselves
"The Who" but to drum up interest (and thus ticket sales) I'd recommend that
they tour under the name "Half The WHO"! Actually, I liked somebody else's
"Detours" suggestion though that name is too obscure to generate extra ticket
sales.
I'd definitely like to see two and/or all three of the guys doing new
material, but I also like the reinterpretations of the old. For example,
many people on this list have expressed admiration at some of Roger's recent
reinterpretations (such as Imagine A Man) while John is now astounding
long-time fans by adding amazing bass solos to old standards. I think tours
AND an MTV unplugged should dump many of the more familiar concert songs and
highlight the "underrated" songs many of us have identified!
Rich
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From: YMEG09A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR)
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NP: Warren Zevon, "Jungle Work"
Amira,
RE: Wackos at Q101. Well, mark them as a group to be unceremoniously
horsewhipped for that Who tease.
I had a pleasant surprise at the gym last week. The gym I go to plays
WAPL in Appleton over its sound system, and as I was working out, they
said, "Next up, The Who." Well, I've been through that a few times at
the gym, thinking they'd play "5:15" or something cool, only to get
"Athena" or "You Better You Bet." So I didn't get my hopes up when
they announced the impending Who song.
Well, this time they truly out did themselves: WAPL played "The Punk
Meets the Godfather." And this during the evening drive time!!! I
dropped a dumbbell on my foot I was so stunned: "The Dumbbell Meets
Tom's Foot." I'm going to the hospital next week for an MRI to
determine if there is any lasting brain damage.
In other Who/Gym related news, the elastic on the legs of my red sweat
pants is frayed, making the legs look like bell bottoms. At first I
was disappointed, but then I realized: These red sweats NOW look like
those groovy red polyester bell bottoms JAE wears on the cover of Too
Late the Hero. I've been going around quoting JAE's "My Size" ever
since.. I've got the bruises to prove it!
Every good wish--Tom Farrell
P.S. Yes, I'm aware that "My Size" is NOT on Too Late the Hero.
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From: amck@eden.com (Alan McKendree)
Subject: Re: 30 Years Box Set
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>From: "Brad Gray" <GRAY@genome.hsc.usc.edu>
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:46:07 PST
>Subject:
>
> When I bought the 30 Years Box Set there was a card
>included from MCA that asked several Who related questions. The card
>said if you sent it in, that MCA would send you updates on future Who
>projects. I sent my card in and never got anything back. I am
>wondering if anyone here ever got anything from MCA?
> Thanks, Brad
Hm. I'd completely forgotten I'd sent that in. Due in no small part to no
response from MCA. Maybe it was just a device to measure how many people
gave a monkeys'...? and not enough did ?? :-)
Alan
"When I'm on stage, it's not like bein' possessed...it's just...*I* *do*
*my* *job*." - Pete Townshend
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On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:30:41 -0500, Bogie3200@aol.com wrote:
>
> >Finally, "So Sad About Us" was one I basically ignored until the boxed set
> >came out, and I really regret not playing it much, much more over the years!
>
> I tend to think my tastes are a bit different from those of many on
> this list. I really like the old stuff.
>
> In fact, I prefer The Who Sell Out to Who's Next.
>
> (Quick, where can I hide? They are coming after me.)
>
I agree with you 100%. In fact, half the time I put in WN, I'll play
only four or five tracks, and very often it's just the opener and the
closer from the gold disc, pumped up at higher volume than is healthful.
TWSO, on the other hand, is pure genius.
I guess part of it comes from the fact that I've still yet to come to truly
appreciate the 'beautiful' songs in the Behind Blue Eyes or Love Reign
O'er Me mold--they're great and all, but the Who's strength were (1) as
an ensemble--playing together and (2) Pete's wonderful introspective
numbers that are done basically as solo pieces. Blue, Red, and Grey, for
example, is a wonderful example of the latter.
> So I guess most of Sell Out seems underrated to me. I think we all
> agree that I Can See For Miles is the best AM radio song ever written.
> But Armenia is fabulous psychedelia. Tattoo is a work of genius, both
> in the lyrics and the music. In Odorono, Pete puts more sweetness into
> a joke song than most people can put into a serious love song.
>
<snip>
> So I say that the most neglected part of the Who's output is The Who
> Sell Out. If I had to take ten disks on my Desert Isle exile, I would
> take two from the Who: Live at Leeds, and The Who Sell Out.
>
My desert island 10: (and I would by no means be happy with just these 10)
The Who LAL
The Who Sell Out
John Fogerty Centerfield
Deep Purple Live in Japan
Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, and Paco DeLucia: Friday Night in S.F.
--
Who's Next
Quadrophenia
Stones Hot Rocks
Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks
The best of That Was The Week That Was
--LP.
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From: Lev Polinsky <polinsky@husc.harvard.edu>
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On Mon, 26 Feb 1996 Biggsk@aol.com wrote:
> Hello fans and friends,
<snip>
> There's more to drumming than sturm und drang - as John Bonham got into and
> failed to get out of. Subtlety, dynamics, paradiddles, 13 stroke rolls etc,
> plus the fact that Keith threw the rules out by accenting quite often the one
> and three beats rather than the two and four as others did, not that he
> didn't do that either! One of the best descriptions I ever heard about he
> Who's sound was from a friend and he said that their secret was the fact that
> unlike other power trios, they had a lead guitarist, lead bassist and a lead
> drummer!
I've long thought this, but I would also add that, unlike most bands, the
Who not only had four lead instruments (don't forget vocals), they also
had four rhythm instruments: bass, drums, guitar, and, most importantly,
vocals. In fact, I think background vocals are severely underrated
because they add both lyrical and musical depth to songs.
--LP.
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I just wanted to offer my public thanks to Extremus (Mick) who sent me a
bunch of videos, and GACoelho (George), who sent me the copy of Bass
Frontiers magazine, respectively. They sent them all the way to Japan,
unsolicited, and without asking for anything in return. Again, hats off to
both of you.
Chris
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Rael!!!!
best, GaryM (not Gary M or gary m)
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In a message dated 96-02-26 17:18:02 EST, you write:
>just MCA
>ripping us off again with false promises.
Quite awhile ago, when MCA started reissuing the mighty Chess Records catalog
(home of Chuck berry, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, etc etc) they
had a similar card which I sent in. Awhile later (can't say how long it
took) i got a large manilla envelope from "The Chess Club", with a Chess logo
badge & a newsletter with info on the label & on the upcoming reissues. I've
been getting them, irregularly, for the past few years now. The ARE capable
of disseminating info, probably should give them a bit more time, as it is
DIRECT & INEXPENSIVE advertising them for a target audience (like the few
thousands of us who still give a fuck about a 30+ year old band!!
Best, GaryM
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In a message dated 96-02-26 17:41:35 EST, you write:
>. his name is Henry Small. Great voice, but I have no
>other info on him...
>
>-wf
Henry was in bands Prism (guitar & bass, only for the '82 LP Small Change on
UK Capitol, &, speaking of small, in the band Small Wonder who had 2 LPs in
the mid 70s on US Columbia.
Best, GaryM
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Eddy W. Presley Jr. wrote:
<<Rog and John are big boys with lots of money and lots of
influence and if they wanted to be on the road everything other year
behind an album, they could. There are tons of cronies who would go with
them from their usual touring musicians to maybe even big names like
Ringo, guys from the Kinks, any of the young guns today who sight Pete
and the Who as an influence...(let's not start that again...) They could
if they wanted to...they don't because THEY CHOOSE not too. >>
I'm not so sure that John And Roger have as much muscle in the industry as you
assume. Everybody here is aware of all the trouble that John had getting "The
Rock" released and he more or less wound up issuing it himself. The non-release
of his solo albums further illustrates this point. Also, despite all of its
fanfare, I don't think Roger's Tribute to PT tour last year was much of a
financial success either.
Now, certainly Roger and John could tour either individually or as a pair but
without new material they are more or less constrained to the club
circuit...which is something I can understand them not choosing to do too
frequently for a financial loss at age 50+. I don't think its a matter of
choice.
J.
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Lev, re:
>John Fogerty Centerfield
Which version? The one with "ZANZ Can't Dance"? Or "VANZ Can't Dance"???
-wf
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John, re:
>Everybody here is aware of all the trouble that John had getting "The
Rock" released and he more or less wound up issuing it himself. The
non-release of his solo albums further illustrates this point.
Aside from "The Rock" problems in '88, John hasn't been actively seeking
release of his solo albums. If you think about it, MCA would have loved to
have had them to sell for the '89 Who tour...
-wf
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John, re:
>>> I am evidently not a great judge of drummers - I always thought Dave
Abbruzzese (whom I've seen four times) was the best live drummer I've ever
seen, but Pearl Jam saw fit to fire him anyway...
I don't think that Dave Abbruzzese's drumming skills had anything to do
with his being fired from Pearl Jam -- I always thought he was an excellent
drummer, too -- but I never did find out what happened to cause his
expulsion. Anyone out there know what the whole story is??
gary m
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GaryM, re:
>>> Which ONE song really shows Keith's prowess on the drums more than any
>>other?
>>> Just out of curiosity, howcum noones mentioned Cobwebs & Strange?
You just did. (!)
>>> GaryM (an old fart who bought the 60s who stuff when it was new)
I'll take this opportunity to say I think "Bargain" is Keith Moon at
his best.... the rolls at the end of the song, with the cymbal crashes, are
just incredible. "When I Was a Boy" gets honorable mention -- very tasteful
drum fills. "Leaving Here" is another great one, though, too.... oh, God,
this could go on forever..... Keith Moon says it all.
gary m (as opposed to GaryM and Gary M)
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From: Ken Traub <kt@einstein.exa.com>
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From: Kevin Winn <kwinn@steptech.com>
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Ken, re:Synth on Quad:
I don't have the disc with me right now, but I think the Dirty Jobs has
some single line synth notes over the real strings, at least right in the
beginning, and also in the chorus, before RD sings "I'm not gonna weep
again..." You are right, however, that there are less than most people
think, but there's still a whole bunch o'electronic on Quad. But it's
not like a Rick Wakeman album or anything.
Yeah, it's either a French Horn, or something like an Arp programmed to sound
like a French Horn. The latter can be made to sound pretty convincing, so you
might be right.
To say Pete's sound was mainly electric is a bit of an
over-simplification. His techniques have always tended toward jazz, from
his right-hand flamenco strumming to his chord structures. The fact that
he was one of the first to turn his amp up past 2 may have contributed to
his popularity, but it's hardly the basis for his entire sound. He's a
great guitarist, period. And great guitarists sound great on whatever
they play. As Jeff says "the acoustic does not lie."
Hear hear. I think his most brilliant recorded solos are acoustic: the bridge
between "Captain Walker" and "It's a Boy", the middle of "Who Are You", etc.
Curiously, which lines in The Real Me and
LROM do you feel demonstrate RD's over-extension? I can't hear it,
myself. Those two songs, in particular, serve as nothing but a showcase
of his range for me.
Unlike Pete's line in Naked Eye (Odds & Sods version), "Press any button..."
:-}
Ken
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Arrgh. Sorry, campers, my last message should have gone to
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--
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From: Alan McKendree <amck@eden.com>
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Subject: Re: The Who Digest Vol 3 Num 56
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Hi Paul,
This may be old news to you but the digestified thewho has recently
started including a wad of header material before most postings
(example follows):
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> Ian, re:
>
> > Even a bad mix can't hide Keith's genius, you have to LISTEN.
>
> Not true. Case in point: The studio version of "Heaven & Hell". You can
> actually listen to Keith just "fade out..."
>
[etc.]
Couldja check this & turn it off if possible? It jumps a typical
digest by about 60 k. Don't bother responding, if you're as busy as I
am you can use the time elsewhere :-)
--
Alan McKendree amck@eden.com 512-478-9900
Adhesive Media, 101 W. 6th St., Ste. 210, Austin, TX 78701
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From: maiullo@tms.attmail.com (Gary Maiullo)
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wf, re:
>> The one thing I would like to have, is the 1st interview Stern did with
Roger Daltrey. Howard kissed his <Bev Crusher> bigger than anyone else he's
ever had on the show...
I think I remember hearing that, back in '85 or '86, when Howard went
to England...I think? (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
I DO have a copy of Howard interviewing Roger on his show, from the
summer of '92...... I believe he sang "Days of Light". Howard kissed his
ass that day, too...very funny interview!
gary m
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From: "Amira Boctor" <MaryAnneShakyHand@msn.com>
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From: owner-thewho@mpath.com on behalf of Nervos@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 1996 3:03 AM
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Subject: Re: 30 Years Box Set/MCA crd
In a message dated 96-02-26 17:18:02 EST, you write:
>just MCA
>ripping us off again with false promises.
Quite awhile ago, when MCA started reissuing the mighty Chess Records catalog
(home of Chuck berry, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, etc etc) they
had a similar card which I sent in. Awhile later (can't say how long it
took) i got a large manilla envelope from "The Chess Club", with a Chess logo
badge & a newsletter with info on the label & on the upcoming reissues. I've
been getting them, irregularly, for the past few years now. The ARE capable
of disseminating info, probably should give them a bit more time, as it is
DIRECT & INEXPENSIVE advertising them for a target audience (like the few
thousands of us who still give a fuck about a 30+ year old band!!
Best, GaryM
---------------------------
Gary,
It's been over two years now. I give up!!! Thank God MCA doesn't deal with
CD-ROMs.
Amira
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To: "MR THOMAS G FARRELL JR" <YMEG09A@prodigy.com>, thewho@mpath.com
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>In other Who/Gym related news, the elastic on the legs of my red sweat
pants is frayed, making the legs look like bell bottoms. At first I
was disappointed, but then I realized: These red sweats NOW look like
those groovy red polyester bell bottoms JAE wears on the cover of Too
Late the Hero. I've been going around quoting JAE's "My Size" ever
since.. I've got the bruises to prove it!
Every good wish--Tom Farrell<
Tom, about bellbottoms -- if anyone on the list finds this interesting -- I
borrowed a pair of bellbottoms for a 50's/60's/70's dance, which is when I
discovered that jeans were made for boys in the 70's, not girls. No hips, no
room for thighs -- but they were still better than my mom's old platform shoes
-- I still have blisters on my toes from all that dancing. :-)
Amira
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From: mick.mclaughlin@nashville.com
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Subject: TKAA length
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I wrote:
>>
>>Mine copy also came from the Showtime broadcast and it fit on a 120 tape.
>> think you either had a short tape, or didn't start at the beginning.
to which WFang01@aol.com replied
>Definately not a short tape... Perhaps the Showtime version was the edited
>one?
>BTW, any movie buffs out there with a movie book that will give the exact
>run time of the original movie???
>
>-wf
WFang, I respect your knowledge of the Who more than anyone else on the
mailing list. But I'm getting sick and tired of you challenging what
version of TKAA that I have. If you ran out of tape when you recorded it,
I'm sorry. But you of all people should know how long the damn original
was. My version has the missing Roger and John quotes, the bondage scene,
Ken Russel and the ENTIRE Quick One! It's got everything that anyone has
ever said was cut from the original! And it happens to be 108 minutes
long, just like Leonard Maltin's video guide says it should be.
Do you even own of copy of the original? For Christ's sake, you have
everything else by the Who. I'll be happy to give you a copy of mine, that
way your collection can be complete.
BTW, I do own all three versions. Here is the breakdown
original release (New World Pictures) 108 minutes
1st video release (Thorn EMI/HBO Video) 96 minutes (box says 111 minutes)
2nd video release (BMG Video) 99 minutes
I don't know why the movies was cut, but it was definitely not because VHS
video tape was not long enough.
Mick McLaughlin
mick.mclaughlin@nashville.com
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"Time is what keeps everything from happening at once."
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From: Lev Polinsky <polinsky@husc.harvard.edu>
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Subject: Re: most underrated Who songs
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On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 WFang01@aol.com wrote:
> Lev, re:
>
> >John Fogerty Centerfield
>
> Which version? The one with "ZANZ Can't Dance"? Or "VANZ Can't Dance"???
>
ZANZ was never released on CD as far as I know. And CD's are all I've got.
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From: James L Jackson <jacksonj@battelle.org>
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1. Should the Who reform to play out?
For me, they don't need to, even though I never saw them
with Moon. I understand the plea of younger Who fans who'd
love to see some semblance of the band back on the road. If
they do tour again (which in my opinion is a possibility
since Pete Townshend is Pete Townshend, after all), I'd
probably check 'em out, but I'd have reserved expectations.
My musical life is complete even if they never play again as
a group.
2. Underrated Who Songs
I always found that HOWEVER MUCH I BOOZE was Pete's most
vitriolic self-criticism. Their most underrated album is
probably QUAD (I've seen that WBN gets good nods, and got a
good review in STONE back in 75). I can probably come up
with others.
3. Moon's best moments
The studio WGFA is perhaps Moon's best, although I think if
you really want to get to know Moon, listen to the new Live
At Leeds.
4. This recent spate of juvenilism
Please keep it off the public posts. I don't care who called
whom what or who things who needs to see a shrink. Can't we
police ourselves?
--Jim
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From: Jeff Williams <jeffw@mxim.com>
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Finally, someone who has truly mind-melded into the thing about Moon's
drumming! Liked the right songs' drumming for the right reasons (god that
sounds like Rush!). I would forever disagree on his opinion of Ringo till
the day I die, tho...
Jeff
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HAVE YOU SEEN THE MAXIMUM WHO YET? (TRIBUTE BAND TO THE WHO)
BRILLIANT 2 HOUR SHOW FROM THE 60'S (I CAN'T EXPLAIN, SUBSTITUTE,
MY GENERATION etc) THROUGH 40 MINS OF TOMMY (ACID QUEEN, SPARKS,
PINBALL WIZARD) AND THEN FINISHING WITH 40 MINS OF A SUPERB RENDITION OF
70'S MATERIAL (THE SEEKER, BABA O'RIELLY, THE REAL ME, LOVE REIGN O'ER
ME etc) THEN FINALISING WITH AN EXPLOSIVE ENCORE OF (SUMMERTIME BLUES,
MAGIC BUS AND WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN).
SIMPLY THE MOST EXCITING CONCERT I HAVE WITNESSED FOR YEARS....
(THE IRISH TIMES)
THESE GUYS WILL SOON BE PLAYING THE BIG ARENA'S, WHEN THEY DO I'LL
BE THERE.....
(LIVERPOOL ECHO)
THE ULTIMATE LIVE TRIBUTE TO THE GREATEST ROCK & ROLL BAND THE WORLD
HAS EVER SEEN....
( VOX MAGAZINE)
IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE WHO OF THE MOON ERA, RELIVE THOSE MAGIC DAY'S
IF YOU HAVEN'T, THEN CATCH THE MAXIMUM WHO, WITHOUT DOUBT THE NEXT BEST
THING....
(RADIO MERSEYSIDE)
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>IMO Rog's voice has held up great through the
>years, especially when compared to say, Robert Plant.
I have to disagree. It's been years (before 1989, at least) since RD has
been able to hit the highs of the 70's. What astonished me was that Robert
Plant's voice has actually improved of late. He was having trouble of his
own hitting notes in the 90-92 solo tours, but he never sounded better in the
95 tour with Page. Every note was perfect--at his age, especially with those
high screams, he shouldn't be able to do that!
Mick
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:35:02
From: Kevin Winn <kwinn@steptech.com>
To: posts <thewho@mpath.com>
Subject: several things
* for Brad, re video source:
email vidcom@cts.com for a listing of their available videos. I've never
ordered anything from them, but their selection is quite impressive and
includes Tanglewood.
* Amazingly, the drum solo in WGFA *is* hauntingly like the one in "The
End." Nice spot, Gary...
* Marshall, re Quad reissue/snipping:
I must admit I cannot understand the desire to chop something out simply
to make the thing fit on one CD. I've *always* had to switch the CD's
when I play it (I don't have a multi-disc player), and it's never
bothered me. Hell, I didn't care that I had to flip the albums twice AND
change records when I played the vinyl version (back in the Pleistocene
Era before lasers totaled up our groceries). So what if I have to shell
out another 8 or 10 bucks? We're only talking about one of the 10 Most
Important Albums Of My Life... I agree with Chris that it would be great
to have some bonus tracks (live stuff from Quad period or outtakes, etc)
but the bottom line is that it just doesn't matter. As for where they
make the disc "break," I say make it right where it is now, or
alternatively, make the break where the old side 3-side 4 break was
(between Bell Boy and Dr Jimmy) but GOD don't make it between The Rock
and Love Reign O'er Me... the transition between those two songs is one
of the most important resolutions in the whole thing. I wouldn't buy it
if they did that (well, I probably would, but I'd be sending them more
hate mail than if they snipped sea sounds and outtros to fit on one
disc).
Has anyone heard the Mobile Fidelity Gold Quad disc? How does it compare
to the original? Is it a remix or remaster? I am probably in the
minority, but I happen to like the mix of the original.
Finally, in my never ending curiosity about the people on this list, I'll
throw out a new question:
What are the 10 Most Important Albums Of *Your* Life?
Here's my list (in no particular order, and subject to change at any
moment):
The Pretender - Jackson Browne
Close To The Edge - Yes
Dreams and All That Stuff - Leo Kottke
Dark Side Of The Moon - P. Floyd
Physical Graffiti - the band that Keith/John named
Discipline - King Crimson
Live At Leeds - duh
Quadrophenia - duh
The Complete Recordings - Robert Johnson
461 Ocean Blvd. - Eric Clapton
OK,
KLW
Kevin,
I got a return e-mail message today from the company you
suggested regarding Who video tapes. Thanks for the info.
Brad
My Top 10 Albums: (in order)
Quadrophenia- The Who
Tommy- The Who
Live At Leeds - The Who
All the Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes-Pete Townshend
Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs-Derek and the Dominoes
The Wall-Pink Floyd
Achtung Baby- U2
War- U2
London Calling- The Clash
In Step- Stevie Ray Vaughan
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I am happy to read that I was not alone in being
forgotten by MCA with the card insert. It is very sad to
see how they have marketed THE BEST BAND OF ALL
TIME. I sometimes wonder if The Who had been on a
different label if they would be more respected for how they
revolutionized Rock. It always frustrates me when I see Pete on T.V.
and below his name they feel it is necessary to say " Lead Guitar for
The Who". I can't think of one time I have seen Paul McCartney with
the words "Bass Guitar for The Beatles".
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The messages about MCA apparently ignoring those boxed set postcards many of
us sent in got me to thinking about somebody else's lack of follow-up: Pete
Townshend's! In the days before I had a modem, my good friend Bill Bedzyk
informed me that Pete was going to answer a bunch of questions that were to
be submitted online (via AOL only?). I sent Bill a few to ask on my behalf,
but as far as I know Pete never followed through. Does anyone know if this
was formally cancelled after a long wait, or might we still hear something
from Pete (just like I'm hopeful we'll finally get something in the mail from
MCA because I'm sure they monitor this list and want to fend off even more
hostility aimed in their direction!).
Rich B.
NP: Eric The Half A Bee
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I don't recall if we ever received definite information on whether Roger sang
at the "ESPY" awards show. If he did in fact perform, what song(s) did he
do?
Rich B.
NP: Vikings And Beekeepers
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From: John Ent comp acct <theox@eden.com>
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Originally sent to the Webpage address, theox@eden.com. Thought it might
be of interest...
Alan
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:34:51 -0600
From: Rick Moscati <rmoscati@isddendg.cr.usgs.gov>
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Subject: tour info
Ox Fans,
To all of you who are following John's band around the country, the date
for the Golden (Denver), CO performance at the Buffalo Rose is incorrect as
it is listed in the Quest Performance Concert Tours Database. The correct
concert date is Saturday, March 9.
Additionally, Ticket Master incorrectly spelled Entwhistle when they
printed the tickets for the Buffalo Rose show. They left out the "w".
Could be a collectors item??
See you all in Golden,
Rick Moscati
rmoscati@isddendg.cr.usgs.gov
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That U.K. post about the Maximum Who tribute band, who sound pretty
exciting, put me in mind of having seen about 10 years ago, in and around
the Toronto area, a tribute band called Wholigans, and let me tell you,
these guys were tremendous - I used to like their take on Who Are You and
I`m Free, in particular. The guitarist looked a lot like Pete and played
just like him, and did really fine aerials, and the singer looked like Rog
and sang very well. I believe I saw on the`Net somewhere a reference to the
Wholigans as playing recently in the Southern California area - does anyone
know if they are in fact still playing and doing the Who, and is it the same
guys I saw 10 years ago? They`d be in their 30`s for sure. On an unrelated
subject, I was just curious to know what Scotty Tee is doing in London at
Tommy; is he a musician or involved in some official way with the Who? Lucky
guy...
Gary M.
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From: "Michael D. Mullins" <mullins@ecn.purdue.edu>
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I caught all but the first ten or fifteen minutes of the ESPY's, and didn't
see anything of him. If he was on, it must have been right at the beginning of
the show.
M.M.
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:24:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Justin M. Cober" <Justin.M.Cober@jupiter.cc.gettysburg.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad & more...
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I may be wrong, but I think Go To the Mirror has a spot in the R'n'R Hall
of Fame. I find it odd that this song would have a place along with My
Generation and Baba O'Reilly, when other great Who songs were left out.
(WFGA, maybe?)
I also have a question which may have an obvious answer. Where is Kenney
Jones right now? Everyone talks about a Who reunion with RD, JAE, and PT,
but no one mentions Jones. Or doesn't he count as the *real* Who?
As for Moon's best drum work, I have to say My Generation. I'm not a
drummer, and I'm pretty sure that this wasn't his most technically
difficult music, but his work at the end of that song is one of the
reasons I started to listen the Who. I played it for a music major friend
of mine and he said, "That isn't normal drumming." Exactly.
cober
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I`ve been intrigued by what Ray Davies is currently doing at a 300 seat
theatre in New York in his 20th Century Man Show, and think this could be a
model for Pete solo, or possibly with Rog too, although the intimacy of the
concept would seem to preclude a much larger group. Regarding a more typical
reunion, I`d go to see, say, a full performance of Quad, or Lifehouse, but
doing discrete songs seems pointless to me, because no matter who the
personnel are - even if Pete is involved - it can`t be as good as it was.
Whereas approaching a reunion from a thematic point of view lends legitimacy
to the exercise and would be more in tune with how Pete has evolved as an
artist since the early 70`s. In other words, such a reunion concept would
stress Pete`s growth as a lyricist and composer over this period.
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Mick, re:
>Do you even own of copy of the original? For Christ's sake, you have
>everything else by the Who. I'll be happy to give you a copy of mine, that
>way your collection can be complete.
Yeah, I should have about 5 copies, including a stereo copy off the old RCA
CED system, which is the full-length movie (I should check to see what kinda
tape it's on :) ) I've got Beta (mono-hi-fi), MTV, etc, etc, etc... (a lot of
crap) and... I bought the laser disc (after I was warned) and returned it...
But you ARE right, I think I need to get my story straight on this one!
(Although <Riker> Leonard, I still think it was over 2 hours!--I'll have to
call my friend, Phil, who would know the EXACT length...)
BTW, thanks for the <other> compliments...
-wf
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Lev, re:
>ZANZ was never released on CD as far as I know. And CD's are all I've got.
I actually have a copy. From what I understand, the CD version only lasted a
day or two, before it was pulled. I also have a few copies of ZANZ on LP,
still sealed...
-wf
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Gary, re:
> I think I remember hearing that, back in '85 or '86, when Howard went
>to England...I think? (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
That was it...
-wf
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I don't remember the actual interview with Roger--it was in London, though,
but I know Howard convinced him to do a little bit of "Won't Get Fooled
Again" with someone (probably Fred) laying down a synth riff. The scream
Roger gave was deafening and Howard used it on the intro to his show quite
often after that...
Dan Senesky
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In a message dated 96-02-27 14:45:16 EST, you write:
>Finally, in my never ending curiosity about the people on this list, I'll
>throw out a new question:
>What are the 10 Most Important Albums Of *Your* Life?
My loves change daily, but on any given day, you'll find at least half of
these on the list:
(in no particular order)
The Who Sell Out (this is, after all, a Who list)
Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
Neil Young - Tonight's The Night
13th Floor Elevators - Easter Everywhere
Blind Willie McTell - Complete Recordings in Chronilogical Order Vols 1-3
Zombies - Odyssey & oracle
Can - Future Days
Hendrix - Axis Bold As love
Sinatra- Songs For Swingin' Lovers
Tom Rush - The Circle game
barely missing the cut
Beach boys - Today
Paul Revere & the raiders - Spirit Of '67
Kinks - Something Else
Southern Culture On The Skids - For lovers Only
Pagans - everybody Hates You
Best, GaryM
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In addition to Relay, Punk..., In a Hand..,etc that have already been often
cited as underrated/overlooked I would include the following:
The Seeker
Pure and Easy
Too Much of Anything
Music Must Change
You
I've Known No War
Desert Island TOP 10
Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy
(IMHO the greatest collection of singles ever compiled, any artist)
Who's Next
Animals - Pink Floyd
Darkness on the Edge of Town - B. Springsteen
(Which PT referred to at the time as "a fucking triumph")
Tommy
London Calling - The Clash
Yessongs - Yes
Quadrophenia
Making Movies - Dire Straits
Get Happy - Elvis Costello
JJM
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Kevin O'Brien, Re:
>So I guess most of Sell Out seems underrated to me. I think we all
>agree that I Can See For Miles is the best AM radio song ever written.
>But Armenia is fabulous psychedelia. Tattoo is a work of genius, both
>in the lyrics and the music. In Odorono, Pete puts more sweetness into
>a joke song than most people can put into a serious love song.
Sell Out was one of the first Who albums I ever bought, and I still
regard it as one of my favorites.
The concept of using a radio format is great; It unifies the album
without being pretentious. It is a familiar theme on both sides of the
Atlantic.
Some of Townshend's greatest recorded moments vocally, appear on
the album: Sunrise, Odorono, Our Love Was, I Can't Reach You, and on the
reissue, Glittering Girl and Rael 2. I don't think there is another Who
album with as many songs featuring Pete singing lead.
Entwistle is great on Sell Out also--his songs are great, and also
those little jingles and things. The album is has alot of humor, which I
consider a good quality music can have.
Finally, I think Sell Out has the best cover art out of any Who
album, and it is definitely one of the best album covers from the 60's.
Stacey
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My version has the missing Roger and John quotes, the bondage scene,
Ken Russel and the ENTIRE Quick One! It's got everything that anyone has
ever said was cut from the original! And it happens to be 108 minutes
long, just like Leonard Maltin's video guide says it should be.
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From: owner-thewho@mpath.com on behalf of Extremus@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 1996 1:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Roger's voice
>>IMO Rog's voice has held up great through the
>>years, especially when compared to say, Robert Plant.
>I have to disagree. It's been years (before 1989, at least) since RD has
been able to hit the highs of the 70's. What astonished me was that Robert
Plant's voice has actually improved of late. He was having trouble of his
own hitting notes in the 90-92 solo tours, but he never sounded better in the
95 tour with Page. Every note was perfect--at his age, especially with those
high screams, he shouldn't be able to do that!
Mick<
Mick,
I may be wrong but I thought Plant always had a high voice -- whereas Rog
always had to strain, it seemed to me.
BTW, speaking of high notes -- I think PT should have sung Rael 2 an octave
lower.
Amira
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A small item of Who related trivia forwarded to me by a friend on the Queen
list:
>
>>From the 2/12/96 US News & World Report (Eye on the 90's):
>
>Churn it up: Indiana rock fans are going buggy over "Barn to Be Wild",
>a new album from the Electric Amish. The faux Amish trio plays
>paradioes of classics from Queen ("Black Bonnet Girls") and Grand Funk
>Railroad ("We Are an Amish Band"). Their Who-inspired song, "My
>Congregation," notes: "People try to put us down / 'cause we back up
>traffic when we come through town." Drummer Kyle Grayson says the
>band has won fans among real Amish youth, who often are allowed radios
>before joining the church as adults. Could an unplugged album be far
>behind?
>
Regards,
Denis (dbowler@dest.gov.au)
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:44:14
From: Slipkid@gnn.com (Ian Derby)
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Subject: Re: Sell Out
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>
>Kevin O'Brien, Re:
>
>>So I guess most of Sell Out seems underrated to me. I think we all
>>agree that I Can See For Miles is the best AM radio song ever written.
>>But Armenia is fabulous psychedelia. Tattoo is a work of genius, both
>>in the lyrics and the music. In Odorono, Pete puts more sweetness into
>>a joke song than most people can put into a serious love song.
>
What I love about Sell Out is how it's grown in historical status from it's
floundering beginnings. It wasn't hailed as a masterpiece back in late '67.
Now younger rock/alt. rock critics are discovering that this really was a
landmark album that shows in bands of today.
Listen to Sell Out today and compare it Sgt. Pepper and you see that Sell
Out has aged VERY well. The jokes and jingles are still relevant, in fact
the albums concept still displays a feeling of something resembling the
cutting edge. On the other hand Pepper (while still a well written album,
and very enjoyable) is fading fast and becoming a historical landmark in
history ala Pet Sounds. And this hasn't been gradual, I remember as recent
as '87 how the CD version blew me out of the water in comparison to my 20
year old LP. Now it's just another great album. In comparison the White
Album and Abbey Road still seem to retain that freshness. In light of this
I think people are looking back to see how great Revolver really was (It's
my fav beatles album tied with the White Album).
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From: kob1@ix.netcom.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
To: The Who <thewho@mpath.com>
Subject: Desert Island Disks (10)
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:14:39 GMT
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On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:31:22 -0500 (EST), Lev Polinsky
<polinsky@husc.harvard.edu> wrote:
>My desert island 10: (and I would by no means be happy with just these 10)
>The Who LAL
>The Who Sell Out
>John Fogerty Centerfield
>Deep Purple Live in Japan
>Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, and Paco DeLucia: Friday Night in S.F.
>--
>Who's Next
>Quadrophenia
>Stones Hot Rocks
>Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks
>The best of That Was The Week That Was
That last one is intriguing. I remember the original television show
with David Frost, which I thought was pretty good. So when did a disk
come out?
Anyway, my Desert Island Disk list:
The Who Live at Leeds
The Who Sell Out
Jefferson Airplane: After Bathing at Baxters
Jefferson Airplane: Bless It's Pointed Little Head
Jefferson Airplane: Volunteers
Jethro Tull: Benefit
The Mothers of Invention: We're Only In It For The Money
Frank Zappa: The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life
Allman Brothers Band: Live at the Fillmore East
Hot Tuna
My understanding is that the rules of this exhibition preclude boxed
set retrospectives. Maybe some other folks will join in.
Also, note that there is no Led Zeppelin on this list. 'Nuff said.
Kevin B. O'Brien
kob1@ix.netcom.com
"John Connally's conversion to the GOP raised the intellectual
level of both parties." Frank Mankiewicz
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From: Lev Polinsky <polinsky@husc.harvard.edu>
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On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> >The best of That Was The Week That Was
>
> That last one is intriguing. I remember the original television show
> with David Frost, which I thought was pretty good. So when did a disk
> come out?
>
It's a 62-minute CD unmercifully undivided into tracks, so showing
someone a fun little bit at the end takes about a day of fast-forwarding
the CD-player; it's VERY funny, even despite the fact that a significant
minority of the jokes require more knowledge of early-60's television
than I have; it's made by Radiola/Radio Yesteryear, Box C, Sandy Hook, CT
06482, the
serial number(s) are: CDMR-1123, comedy series no. 38. There's a card
in there to send in for a catalogue; if the company still exists I'm sure
they'd send you a catalogue.
This disc, btw, is one of the five I usually use to prove that I am the
only person who has all the discs I do; the others would include, in no
particular order, Saturday Night Live Band--Live From New York, Ten Years
After--Live 1990, G.E. Smith & the S.N.L. Band--Get a Little, and Deep
Purple--Purple Passages. (I intentionally leave out all sorts of obscure
compilations--it's not really all that interesting whether someone has
the exact same compilations as I do; also intentionally, none of these
are bootlegs.)
List of full collection: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~polinsky/
And, in case you're wondering, those are two different Saturday Night
Live Bands; one is from the early-to-mid eighties, the other is the G.E.
Smith-led late-eighties-early-nineties group.
--LP.
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Hey GaryM:
Re: Rael!!!
Stop talking about my daughter like that!!
(the joke is that her name is Rael -- really. And she loves her namesake
song)
pam
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From: "Amira Boctor" <MaryAnneShakyHand@msn.com>
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To: "Brad Gray" <GRAY@genome.hsc.usc.edu>, thewho@mpath.com
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>Finally, in my never ending curiosity about the people on this list, I'll
>throw out a new question:
>What are the 10 Most Important Albums Of *Your* Life?
Brad,
I can't think of them off the top of my head (you know, where the point is :-)
but there are three Who songs, not albums, that had a tremedous effect on me:
1) Substitute -- The first Who album I bought was the Who's Greatest Hits. I
bought it after seeing "Tommy" on TV . . . I wanted to know more about the
band. And Substitute was the first song -- I'm not exaggerating when I say it
frightened me a little. It's as if they were saying "Don't like us TOO much
(which I was prepared to do), we're only a freakin' rock band." Sort of like
"Don't Try to Make Me Real" on Psychoderelict. WARNING! WARNING!
2) Behind Blue Eyes -- when I first heard that it touched me (sorry if I sound
corny) because it was so yearning and vulnerable, yet tough at the same time.
Even though the song was meant for an antagonist named "Brick" on the
non-existant Lifehouse, I felt like it could apply to anybody. There are
times when I feel the world is too judgemental and, like PT says, I wish
people would look at my intentions rather than my actions.
3) Girl's Eyes -- Keith, I believe, was a remarkably sensitive and perceptive
person -- the obvious inspiration for that song was his reaction to the
millions of female fans he encountered, doubtless. Much nicer than writing
songs about your extramarital affairs.
I felt like all these songs were written especially for me, like they read my
mind. Like that song by Roberta Flack, "Killing Me Softly With His Song": she
should have been singing about the Who!
Amira
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From: kob1@ix.netcom.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
To: thewho@mpath.com
Subject: Desert Island Disks (10)
Sun Dec 7 13:19:36 PST 1997
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On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:31:22 -0500 (EST), Lev Polinsky
<polinsky@husc.harvard.edu> wrote:
>My desert island 10: (and I would by no means be happy with just these 10)
>The Who LAL
>The Who Sell Out
>John Fogerty Centerfield
>Deep Purple Live in Japan
>Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, and Paco DeLucia: Friday Night in S.F.
>--
>Who's Next
>Quadrophenia
>Stones Hot Rocks
>Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks
>The best of That Was The Week That Was
That last one is intriguing. I remember the original television show
with David Frost, which I thought was pretty good. So when did a disk
come out?
Anyway, my Desert Island Disk list:
The Who Live at Leeds
The Who Sell Out
Jefferson Airplane: After Bathing at Baxters
Jefferson Airplane: Bless It's Pointed Little Head
Jefferson Airplane: Volunteers
Jethro Tull: Benefit
The Mothers of Invention: We're Only In It For The Money
Frank Zappa: The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life
Allman Brothers Band: Live at the Fillmore East
Hot Tuna
My understanding is that the rules of this exhibition preclude boxed
set retrospectives. Maybe some other folks will join in.
Also, note that there is no Led Zeppelin on this list. 'Nuff said.
Kevin B. O'Brien
kob1@ix.netcom.com
"John Connally's conversion to the GOP raised the intellectual
level of both parties." Frank Mankiewicz
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In a message dated 96-02-27 22:01:55 EST, you write:
> Stacey
Hundred % agree. I was 12 when I bought it new, only having heard ICSFM.
But Armenia is one of my top 10 faves of all time.
best, GaryM
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Here're my ten:
Allman Brothers - At Fillmore East
James Brown - The CD of JB 1
- The CD of JB 2
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
- In a Silent Way
Pete - Empty Glass
V.U. - Velvet Undergound and Nico
Who - LAL
- Who's Next
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Hi,
Yesterday when driving home along the A1 (towards Amsterdam) I was
listening to a John Hiatt tape (yes I do listen to other music then
The Who). On this tape was the song 'Perfectly good guitar'. In my
mind I saw PT on stage doing the it (I mean smashing). It made me
wonder if this song is really based on PT smashing. The lyrics says:
'It started back in 63' (My Generation??). Is Hiatt a PT/Who fan,
the lyrics are not really positive, or is he just a guitar fan.
Another question is, are there any more song made which are about
The Who, or Who related? By whom, and what are they about?
I am very curious if any of you can come up with some songs.
Theo
Amsterdam
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RE: Talk about 'messing up TKAA movie'
In a related strory, a few weeks ago it got the 'Motery Pop Fest.' laser
disc. It only has one Who track, 'My Generation', on it, but it is a
different edit than the on one TKAA. By different edit, I mean some
different angles are used. When I initially watched it, I thought, 'this
looks familiar', but something is different. When I then put the TKAA in to
check out MG on it, not only were the angles different (a plus), but the song
was sped up a half-step to a different key (a minus). To me, a sped up
version is worse to listen to then a cut version played at the right speed.
Remind anyone of a few boot CD's? . . . . . (I'll get a pitch control CD
player someday)
I'm still hoping for an official video release of RS R& R Circus (I have an
unofficial one, which has a either a different performence or different angle
edit than on TKAA - I can't remember). To me, the R&R Circus version of 'A
Quick One' best captures the Who raw and live.
Also, I just got in the I-o-Wight Laser Disc (Various Artists version) in
from Japan. The disc is great rock document, but I was sad that they chopped
up and shortened the Who-inclusions (YMB & Naked Eye). Seeing Naked Eye was
great (now I can't wait for a Who I-o-Wight release), but the cutting out of
verse two and three almost made my cry. The editors also butchered half of
the other inclusions. I think they were trying to squeeze in too much (now
we're back to the video tape time constraint thing again). BTW, someone
wanted to know what TULL song is on it. It's 'My Sunday Feeling'.
PDooger
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A few days ago, someone posted about seeing Tull on the 27th of March. I'll
be there, as I believe that's in Richmond, VA. So I assume there are other
Richmonders on the Who list. If there are, I might be inclined to say "Let's
get together", but I don't know. I just now got a chance to read through the
past week's digests, and all I can say is, "There some wacked people on this
list, all of whom I find interesting and informative, but some that I'd would
rather not ever want to meet. " So any Richmonders out there, get your
lawyers to contact mine (or better yet, just e-mail me). It would be nice to
know about other fans are close by . . . I think.
PDooger
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>I'm still hoping for an official video release of RS R& R Circus (I have an
>unofficial one, which has a either a different performence or different angle
>edit than on TKAA - I can't remember). To me, the R&R Circus version of 'A
>Quick One' best captures the Who raw and live.
I read recently that it will be officially released later this year.
cmh
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Amira, re:
>I felt like all these songs were written especially for me, like they read
my
mind.
hMMM... I would have guessed "Doctor, Doctor" or "Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde"...
-wf
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Mick, re: (above)
I just pulled out my Thorn EMI Beta copy of TKAA... It's at 111 minutes, and
it's the sped up version without the full "A Quick One While He's Away". If
that Leonard Maltin book is a "video guide" (which listed it at 108), it
would quote the length of the video, not the original movie. Not to belabor
the point to death (well... maybe...), but I'd like to be completely
convinced that the "original" movie was less than 2 hours...
-wf
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But what`s the sound like? The YMB and I Don`t Even Know Myself shown on the
30 years` video has a very weak bass track, as indeed John Atkins indicated
was the case in his liner notes to the box set. Although the performances
were probably fabulous as heard by those there, what purpose does it serve
to release material which does not show the band at its best?
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> My version has the missing Roger and John quotes, the bondage scene,
> Ken Russel and the ENTIRE Quick One! It's got everything that anyone has
> ever said was cut from the original! And it happens to be 108 minutes
> long, just like Leonard Maltin's video guide says it should be.
>
I missed something. Which Roger and John quotes are we referring to?
My version has the entire Quick One, although I have no idea on the
running time.
Christian Tennant
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To all,
Well I had hoped that this nonsense was over, but I guess not.
I'll be unsubscribing today. Most of us had left grade school behind, but not
all obviously.
Thanks to all of those people who posted with informative information and
constructive criticism of the WHO. You've opened my eyes to alot.
However, I know that I will not have to deal with this childish horseshit
in the digested version of the list.
Take care.
Don Elliott
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>Amira, re:
>I felt like all these songs were written especially for me, like they read
>my
>mind.
>hMMM... I would have guessed "Doctor, Doctor" or "Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde"...
>-wf
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Gary M, Re:
>Southern Culture On The Skids - For lovers Only
I saw them recently at Irving Plaza--they were fantastic.
Afterwards, I bought the album and was somewhat disappointed; It doesn't do
them justice at all. That guy kicks ass on guitar.
Kevin O'Brien, Re:
>Also, note that there is no Led Zeppelin on this list. 'Nuff said.
I would probably go to a desert island just to get away from Led
Zeppelin. They were a good band, but I hate when radio stations cram stuff
down our throats. In any case, coming up with ten important albums is
extremely difficult, but here it goes:
Sell Out
Quadrophenia
Joe's Garage--Frank Zappa
Hot Rats--Frank Zappa
LAMF--Heartbreakers (Johnny Thunders. On Track Records, no less)
Rocks The House--Etta James
We Are The League--Anti-Nowhere League
Out To Hunch--Hasil Adkins (Actually, it's a scary thought being
stranded on an island with Haze.)
Lotus--Santana
Sex Machine--James Brown (Recorded live at home in Augusta, Georgia
with his bad self)
If I was only allowed to bring ten albums on the desert island, I
would attempt to smuggle Live at Leeds under my shirt, too (after all, it's
autographed by John.)
Stacey
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----------------------- Begin Original Message ----------------------
Here're my ten:
Allman Brothers - At Fillmore East
James Brown - The CD of JB 1
- The CD of JB 2
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
- In a Silent Way
Pete - Empty Glass
V.U. - Velvet Undergound and Nico
Who - LAL
- Who's Next
cmh
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------------------------ End Original Message -----------------------
Chris;
I just wanted to say that Miles' "Kind of Blue" is IMHO one of the
hottest jazz recordings ever! Also, Coltrane's "Giant Steps" is a good
one. I'll have to check out "A Love Supreme".
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I could never limit it to 10; I'll try for 20. What I would consider
essential for me, in no particular order:
QUADROPHENIA
ARTHUR -The Kinks
ORANGES AND LEMONS - XTC
WIDESPREAD PANIC - WP
WHITE CITY
TEN - Pearl Jam
LED ZEPPELIN III
LIVE AT LEEDS
THE GREAT 28 - Chuck Berry
NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS - Sex Pistols
GEORGIA BLUE - Tinsley Ellis
A QUESTION OF BALANCE - Moody Blues
THROUGH THE PAST, DARKLY - Stones
LONDON CALLING - The Clash
MUSWELL HILLBILLIES - The Kinks
SELL OUT
EQUAL RIGHTS - Peter Tosh
ALL MOD CONS - The Jam
BLONDE ON BLONDE - Bob Dylan
SMILING PHASES - Traffic
Above list subject to some change...
Cheers ML
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From: "Michael D. Mullins" <mullins@ecn.purdue.edu>
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I think I recall hearing thay John Hiatt wrote that song after watching
Nirvana, but the "started in '62" thing sounds like a pretty direct reference to
The Who.
I've always wondered if "I Wanna Be Me" by the Sex Pistols wasn't at least in
part about Pete: "jealous stars, who fooled you?... tell me why you `can't
explain...'" etc. It seems from what I've read that Pete was a bit envious of
the Pistols at the time because he saw them as the modern version of the young
Who. But I dunno.....
M.M.
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From: kob1@ix.netcom.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
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On Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:05:51 -0500, WFang01@aol.com wrote:
>Amira, re:
>
>>I felt like all these songs were written especially for me, like they read
>my
>mind.
>
>hMMM... I would have guessed "Doctor, Doctor" or "Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde"...
Can't you stop doing this? Amira just gave a reasonable answer to a
topic posted on this list, and you have to jump in with something a 12
year old would find amusing. If you feel compelled to carry on a flame
war to the death, could you do it somewhere else for the benefit of
people who joined this list the discuss The Who?
Kevin B. O'Brien
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"John Connally's conversion to the GOP raised the intellectual
level of both parties." Frank Mankiewicz
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From: Jason Hare <hare@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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Re:
> I sent Bill a few to ask on my behalf,
> but as far as I know Pete never followed through. Does anyone know if this
> was formally cancelled after a long wait, or might we still hear something
> from Pete
As of a few months ago, Pete had formally cancelled and a press release
was released on America Online. I'll see if I can find it to repost it.
I'll let you know.
Also, I'm finally buying Chinese Eyes, as I just got some money, don't
ask me why it's taken me this long- can someone please tell me which
version sounds best? WF, I'm assuming you have an answer for this one...
Jay
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Jason Hare <hare@acsu.buffalo.edu>
"Time is fleeting" RHPS
"Got such a feeling as the sun goes down..." -- Queen
Copywight 1996 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.
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Alan sent:
>Additionally, Ticket Master incorrectly spelled Entwhistle when they
>printed the tickets for the Buffalo Rose show. They left out the "w".
>Could be a collectors item??
Interesting. Did they misspell it as "Enthistle" or "Entistle?" I swear
to god, I've never seen humans have a more difficult time spelling a
person's name than John's.
OK,
KLW
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>
>Another question is, are there any more song made which are about
>The Who, or Who related? By whom, and what are they about?
>
>I am very curious if any of you can come up with some songs.
Theo:
In the song Monterey, Eric Burdon states: "...The Who exploded into light..."
Cheers ML
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From: "Michael D. Mullins" <mullins@ecn.purdue.edu>
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Southern Culture On the Skids are a trip live. I saw them open for the
Reverend Horton Heat; the guy played guitar with his butt!
Oh, and while I'm here I may as well jump into this "10 essential albums"
thing, though I think I'll could make do with just five:
(in no particular order)
1. The Who- Live At Leeds
2. Bob Dylan- Highway 61 Rivisited
3. Nirvana- In Utero
4. Smashing Pumpkins- Siamese Dream
5. Derek and the Dominos- Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
M.M.
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From: Jeff Williams <jeffw@mxim.com>
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I heard the Squirrel Jelly version of Leaving Here. I wish they
f%&*ing would! Lame leads, muddy sound, etc. Folks, the Who
got their Mojo working on this song, PJ did not! Period.
Next, the Iomster was always a favorite player of mine, but I saw
the latest rendition of Black Sabbath and left halfway through, as it
was so bad. The opening band, Motorhead, kicked "Black Sabbath featuring
Tony Iommi"'s ass all over the stage and back.
Nice Grecian Formula 16 on Iommi's head, though... Oh, the singer's name
was Ian Gillan, not Ian Gilliam or whatever. Remember him?
He was in a little ol' band called Deep Purple. Oh, check the credits
on the Broadway version of Jesus Christ Superstar for Jesus. Yep, Cousin
It again. I heard a live version of Smoke on the Water by Sabbath with
Gillan singing. It was the heaviest version I'd ever heard....
Back to the Who postings.. Oh, yeah, if you guys wanna have personal
arguments, why not get each other's phone nos. and yell at each other?
Better yet, meet each other in person. Jaayzhush Chrisht!
Yeah, with the promised release of the ever delayed IOW MULTI-media releases,
it's kinda like I promise I won't come all over your face.... (you'll
forgive my bluntness, no?)
JW
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> Like that song by Roberta Flack, "Killing Me Softly With His Song": she
>should have been singing about the Who!
pointless trivia: anyone know which song roberta flack was singing about?
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From: mick.mclaughlin@nashville.com
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WFang replied yet again:
T> Mick, re: (above)
T>
T> I just pulled out my Thorn EMI Beta copy of TKAA... It's at 111 minutes, and
T> it's the sped up version without the full "A Quick One While He's Away". If
T> that Leonard Maltin book is a "video guide" (which listed it at 108), it
T> would quote the length of the video, not the original movie. Not to belabor
T> the point to death (well... maybe...), but I'd like to be completely
T> convinced that the "original" movie was less than 2 hours...
T>
T> -wf
As I said in my last message, these are the different versions:
original release (New World Pictures) 108 minutes
1st video release (Thorn EMI/HBO Video) 96 minutes (box says 111 minutes)
2nd video release (BMG Video) 99 minutes
Look at the times listed!! These times were gathered from actually putting
the tape into my VCR and playing them. (Pretty revolutionary idea, huh?)
Leonard Maltin's 108 minutes is for the ** MOVIE **. Nothing released on
video has been that long. And I will repeat one more time, although the
box says 111 minutes, the first video release is only 96 minutes. Why
don't you actually play these tapes and time them, like I did? Then maybe
you would drop this whole thing.
Mick McLaughlin
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From: Shane Matheson <matheso@gaul.csd.uwo.ca>
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On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Mark Leaman wrote:
> >Another question is, are there any more song made which are about
> >The Who, or Who related? By whom, and what are they about?
Here in London, a band by the name of Adam West does a song called "The
Kids aren't All Right", and in the chorus, it goes
And twenty years ago,
The Who said the kids are alright;
The kids aren't alright anymore.
I asked why it was 20 and not 30 years ago, since the song is on a 1994
album, and 30 fits in just as well 20, and they said it was artistic
licence, or they felt like it or something like that. The song in
general is about indie type bands trying to 'be where the money is,
givin' those kids what they want'
Shane Matheson MechEng/CompSci UWO
"I smash guitars because I like them. " -- Pete Townshend
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You guys must know the answer to this one: has The Secret Policeman`s Ball
ever been released on CD? Although I generally prefer to hear Pete play
electric guitar (or loud, chordal electric) to acoustic, his work on TSPB is
outstanding (especially on Drowned), but I can`t find a CD version and no
longer own a record player. Speaking of Drowned, the live Who rendition from
the King Biscuit Flower Hour Show is outstanding (is that the same version
BTW as the well-known, bootlegged version done at the Philadelphia Spectrum
in 1973?), as is Sea and Sand from the same broadcast. If those tracks had
sounded like that, or even close, on the studio Quad, Pete would have gotten
a knighthood by now. Actually, he richly deserves one anyway; in the next
Christmas List he and Paulie should get one at the same time - those
cricketers and professors can wait another year or two!
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Okay, my top ten, from the top down: LAL (especially the new one); Tommy;
Who`s Next; Meaty, Beaty, Big And Bouncy; Sticky Fingers; Smash Hits
(Hendrix); Best of the Kinks, Vol. 1; Best of the Kinks, Vol.2; Back in
Black; Byrds Box Set( well, a baker`s 10...).
Gary M.
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From: "Kishel, Carl" <CKISHEL@gateway.opm.com>
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Gary,
I read somewhere (SPIN 1/96?) that there was a personailty difference
between Eddie and Dave that eventually got worse.
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John, re:
>>> I am evidently not a great judge of drummers - I always thought Dave
Abbruzzese (whom I've seen four times) was the best live drummer I've
ever
seen, but Pearl Jam saw fit to fire him anyway...
I don't think that Dave Abbruzzese's drumming skills had anything to
do
with his being fired from Pearl Jam -- I always thought he was an
excellent
drummer, too -- but I never did find out what happened to cause his
expulsion. Anyone out there know what the whole story is??
gary m
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}> Like that song by Roberta Flack, "Killing Me Softly With His Song": she
}>should have been singing about the Who!
}
}pointless trivia: anyone know which song roberta flack was singing about?
}
I can't remember the exact song, but the singer was Don "American Pie" McLean.
As much as I dislike the aforementioned song, and the zillions of times I had
to listen to it when I was in high school, I always thought "Vincent" was an
extremely fine and touching song...
> Mike <
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From: "Stafford, Susan A." <SS193204@wcupa.edu>
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>wonder if this song is really based on PT smashing. The lyrics says:
When Pete was on Dave Letterman a couple years back and played "Don't Try to
Make Me Real," Dave (I think) mentioned Hiatt's song "Perfectly Good
Guitar." And Pete said something about Hiatt making money off of him by
making a song about that.
>I am very curious if any of you can come up with some songs.
In the Clash's song "Jail Guitar Doors" the lyrics go:
"Let me tell ya about Pete didn't want no fame, gave all his money away,
...there's something wrong it'll be good for you son so they certified him
insane"
Obviously it's not directly about Pete but from what I've read Pete did give
a lot a money away to charities and he had that Eel Pie recording studio for
new young bands who couldn't afford the expensive places.
Then more of the lyrics are:
"and then there's Keith waiting waiting for trial 25,000 bail ... but his
friends carry on anyway, f*ck 'em"
Since the Who carried on with Kenny Jones after Keith's death I always
thought that that those lyrics were a bit ironic since the song was written
before Keith's death.
Sue
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Here's my list which is in no particular order and subject to change:
Sell Out - ya know ( in the words of that Smothers brother)
Live at Leeds - "
Quadrophenia - "
Empty Glass - "
Psychoderelict - "
In On The Killtaker - Fugazi
London Calling - The Clash
Sandinista - The Clash (great to study to + after a million listens it's a
great album)
Never Mind the Bollocks - Sex Pistols
Let's Go - Rancid
I may never have gotten into the Clash if it weren't for Pete Townshend
liking them. And if Tim Armstrong (one of Rancid's singers) didn't sing so
much like Joe Strummer I would have never gotten into them. It's such a
lovely chain reaction.
BTW - to JW I finally heard the Pistols do "Substitue." Incredibley
different than the Who, in fact it's hard to even recognize by the intro
guitar line.
Sue
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My version has the missing Roger and John quotes, the bondage scene,
Ken Russel and the ENTIRE Quick One! It's got everything that anyone has
ever said was cut from the original! And it happens to be 108 minutes
long, just like Leonard Maltin's video guide says it should be.
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> Like that song by Roberta Flack, "Killing Me Softly With His Song": she
>should have been singing about the Who!
pointless trivia: anyone know which song roberta flack was singing about?
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I know she was singing about Don MacLean.
Amira
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To all,
Well I had hoped that this nonsense was over, but I guess not.
I'll be unsubscribing today. Most of us had left grade school behind, but not
all obviously.
Thanks to all of those people who posted with informative information and
constructive criticism of the WHO. You've opened my eyes to alot.
However, I know that I will not have to deal with this childish horseshit
in the digested version of the list.
Take care.
Don Elliott
delliott@isinet.com
Philadelphia,PA
>Amira, re:
>I felt like all these songs were written especially for me, like they read
>my
>mind.
>hMMM... I would have guessed "Doctor, Doctor" or "Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde"...
>-wf
------------------------
Don, please don't leave. WF and I won't fight anymore.
Amira
PS I know enough now not to take what he says seriously -- I should have
laughed it off and not responded in the first place. We'll be good, honest.
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>I'm not so sure that John And Roger have as much muscle in the industry as you
>assume. Everybody here is aware of all the trouble that John had getting "The
>Rock" released and he more or less wound up issuing it himself. The
>non-release of his solo albums further illustrates this point. Also,
despite all of >its fanfare, I don't think Roger's Tribute to PT tour last
year was much of a
>financial success either.
>Now, certainly Roger and John could tour either individually or as a pair but
>without new material they are more or less constrained to the club
>circuit...which is something I can understand them not choosing to do too
>frequently for a financial loss at age 50+. I don't think its a matter of
>choice.
>
>J.
No, actually they do. Over the years, they have chosen to squander
it. They know their position in the market. One talk with management and
labels will put them right in their place. They know when they put out an
album of original material like the Rock, what their tour will be and what
the response label wise will be. Their influence is with who they choose to
work with. After all the hemming and hawing on John's part about his solo
project, its a wonder anybody would listen to him. If he would choose
otherwise to call in his debts to his fellow performer friends, put on a big
shindig for charity somewhere with an all star line up doing all kinds of
tunes, release it - CD/pay per view/video...run with the hype, then release
an original album with the same folks helping out... he might get a bit more
notice and he might get a deal quicker. Even faster if Rog was singing for
him. And no, if he wants a Who style deal as a solo name act, he will be
waiting. After ten years or more, I'm sure the labels got real tired of
hearing about his next big project... If anyone besides WB/MCA heard
anything about it at all...But, there are many labels snapping up guys like
John in a heartbeat. Rhino, whose doing his back catelogue - a natural tie
in. CMC...snapping up all the hard rock and metal left overs...Griffen doing
all kinds of reissues and albums from BOC to Yes to the Buzzcocks,
Caroline... always looking for high profile talent... Harvest same as
Caroline... Rykodisk... a great independent label - home to Richard Thompson
and Elvis Costello and Frank Zappa ... and on and on... So either John
burned a lot of bridges in his career or he and his management chose the
route they wanted to take. Those labels would gladly distribute the finished
product if not advance him money... The same goes for Rog. He doesn't follow
up on the hype he gets. A follow solo lp should have come out 6 months after
the PT tribute. What came After the Fire... Not too much too fast... You
have to work at, if you choose not to, your stuck with whats left over. If
you choose a more viable marketing alternative, you will benefit from your
choices. A high profile project with help from his friends and
contemporaries...(The bulk of people in the Queen tribute show to start)
will be good. A solo effort with no distribution and nothing to spark the
market imagination is bad. I love John and Rog and Pete as performers more
than anybody which why it painful to see them shoot themselves in the foot
this way. And if they are willing to tour clubs like this, they can choose
to tour them every year if they want. This is also not saying the band
members or the music on the Rock is poor in anyway.
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Ok, I'm new to the list. Not much to say but Hi. Here's my top
ten albums:
1.) The Who Sell out
2.) Aqualung
3.) Schools Out Yeah! Alice Cooper!
4.) Pork Soda - Primus... I bet you don't hear much of them on this list.
5.) Relics - Pink Floyd
6.) Houses of the Holy My first and fav. Zep album.
8.) A Quick One
9.) Hot Rocks - Rolling stones
10.) Two's Missing
I think one of the qualities that turned me on to the Who was the humor in
their songs. I think that a lot of the B-sides don't get enough credit. I
personally think that one of the best Who songs is Dogs. I know the band
expected more of a response from that song than they got.
Dave C.
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From: Michael Hanley <mhanley@microsoft.com>
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I have not heard anyone speak of a cd i picked up a couple of years ago.
It is an Italian import called "Oldies But Goodies. Live - Over 20
Years Old".
It was appearantly recorded at the Fillmore East (NYC) April 6th, 1968.
Song list:
Summertime Blues
Fortune Teller
Tattoo
Little Billy
I Can't Explain
Happy Jack
Relax
Easy Going Guy
Boris the Spider
My Generation
A Quick One
Shakin' All Over
Pretty standard fare, but a decent recording. Is this rare?
Any comments?
mike
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Sorry, but I`ve got to send one more post today to make my top "11" an even
baker`s dozen by including in my list, as many of you have done, the
Pistols` Never Mind The Bollocks. This is a tremendous album - I knew it was
a classic the first time I heard it. Of course, it is soaked in Who
influence. Steve Jones was obviously a big Townshend admirer, and always had
the courage (in punk terms) and simple decency to say so, by the way.
Gary M.
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Kevin, re:
>>Can't you stop doing this?
Can I? Or will I? hMMM... something to think about...
>> and you have to jump in with something a 12 year old would find amusing.
I'll be 11 next month. Thanks for the compliment. People say I look older
too!
-wf
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Mick, re:
>Why don't you actually play these tapes and time them, like I did? Then
maybe
>you would drop this whole thing.
Did you ever see "A Shot In The Dark" or "The Pink Panther Strikes Again"???
Facts...
However, you do have a good point about the "timing". However, my Beta Hi-Fi
doesn't have a real time counter, and your suggestion would mean I'd actually
have to sit there and time it--something I don't have time for at the moment.
However, in related news, a startling revelation about my original thought
about the time being about 2:15/2:20. Unfortunately, I was confusing the time
length of the LA Amphitheater show, which actually ran about 2:20, but the
video cut "Summertime Blues", leaving the thing at 2:15... But--- I still
need to get the bottom of TKAA problem. There was a legit reason they both
sped and cut the thing and I seem to recall this being a VHS format problem
of the early 80's... I think my friend may still have his CED (which I think
is on TWO discs) and have him give me further details, which *I* need to be
convinced of...
So... until we meet again... ...and the case is sol-ved.
-wf
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Eddie, re:
> No, actually they do. Over the years... ...They know their position in the
market...
I hate to tell how completely wrong you are (on most, but not all)... Because
of my recent involvements, I've had an EYE OPENING experience. I'd like to
think things are different, but they are what they are... The bottom line
about what you said correctly and is really true with anything... work hard
and follow up... Again, I have to apologize for not going into any details...
And, I used to think along the same lines before I got involved...
-wf
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Jay, re:
> can someone please tell me which version sounds best? WF, I'm assuming you
have an answer for this one...
I'm very happy with the regular Atco/Atlantic CD issue. I've been looking for
an extra copy, since I unwittingly found myself with only one and I'm not
certain I'll be as happy with the new one...
-wf
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Don, re:
>I'll be unsubscribing today. Most of us had left grade school behind, but
not all obviously.
hMMM... aren't those lines from a Who song???
But, you're absolutely right. We must stop this nonsense at all costs. Let's
find the guilty parties, hold a trial and punish them. Do you think that
removal of all their lupens would be an adequate remedy?
-wf
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Mick wrote:
>original release (New World Pictures) 108 minutes
>1st video release (Thorn EMI/HBO Video) 96 minutes (box says 111 minutes)
>2nd video release (BMG Video) 99 minutes
>I don't know why the movies was cut, but it was definitely not because VHS
>video tape was not long enough.
This may be a long shot but I remember in the early days of video here in
Australia Thorn EMI were notorious for having 15-20 minutes of previews at the
start of their cassettes. Initially I found it a novelty but it soon grew to be
a major pain. If it was the same in the US that might explain the initial cut.
Although we never had the 2 hour tape restriction all of our source material
presumably came from overseas explaining why our version was cut also.
Regards,
Denis. (dbowler@dest.gov.au)
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Mike, re:
>I have not heard anyone speak of a cd i picked up a couple of years ago.
>It is an Italian import called "Oldies But Goodies. Live - Over 20
>Years Old". It was appearantly recorded at the Fillmore East (NYC) April
6th, 1968.
I believe it's the first ever Who CD boot... (1st one I saw anyway...)
Unfortunately, this version was recorded from a vinyl record on a cheap
turntable (the lack of clear, defined bass is a dead giveaway). However, the
good news is, a much better version of the same concert has been released,
called "Shaking All Over". If you like this material, find THAT one and
you'll be much happier...
-wf
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Gary, re:
>has The Secret Policeman`s Ball ever been released on CD?
Unfortunately... no.
-wf
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> I don't think that Dave Abbruzzese's drumming skills had anything to
>do
>with his being fired from Pearl Jam -- I always thought he was an
>excellent
>drummer, too -- but I never did find out what happened to cause his
>expulsion. Anyone out there know what the whole story is??
> gary m
IMHO, I think Dave had a very happy care free attitude with the success of
the band. I'm assuming that this didn't work too well with Eddie's horror
that the band had reached epic success within a year and a half. There are
two incidents that come to mind: During a show in Switzerland 92, Eddie
rightously came down on Dave for smoking weed- "I wouldn't smoke that stuff.
I just get high on life"- it doesn't sound like a big deal, but publicly
comming down on him during a show?......... The second took place during a
show in Indio CA 93 ( the crest of Eddies self loathing, and intense
confusion with success)- A horrible show to begin with, the crowd was
throwing clothes and shoes at the band, at the end of a very violent
rendition of a song (can't remember) Ed stood on the drum riser singing
toward Dave. Dave ended the song ferociously hitting the symbols as if he
was wishing they were Ed. He crashed his sticks down and walked off the drum
riser for a few second to calm down. Eddie seemed to be deliberately
taunting him.
I point these things out 'cause before they booted Dave out I wondered
if there was tension between him and Ed in particular. When I heard who
replaced him it all made sense to me. Here's why:
Jump to the present. Their current drummer is Jack Irons. A brief
history. Jack was a member of two bands in Hollywood in the early 80's.
They both got signed at the same time. Jack and his best friend Hillel
Slovak chose to stay with their serious original band instead of going with
the joke band they formed with their two other best friends- the Red Hot
Chili Peppers. Ironically the joke band garnered some success while the Jack
and Hillel's band didn't. On the Peppers second album, Hillel Slovak split
from Jacks band to play with the Peppers. On the Third album Jack finally
broke from his band mate (cannot remember his name off hand) to play with the
Peppers also (Uplift Mofo Party Plan). After this tour Hillel OD'd on smack
and it eventually caused Jack to completely lose it and check in at a mental
rehab. Flea, and Anthony progressed onward with the Chili Peppers. After a
few years, Jack eventually got back with his friend in the other band and
formed the group 11. Around this time Stone Gossard was looking for a
singer, passed his instrumental demo tape to Jack. Jack gave it to a surfer
he knew in San Diego- Eddie Vedder. The rest of that story is well
documented. For PJ's American club tour during the spring of 92, Jack and
his band 11 opened up for them.
So there you have it (sort of). Dave wasn't the original drummer to
begin with, and in a way, having Jack in the band makes everything come full
circle in a way. Jack and Dave have different styles, but they are both
incredibly intense. Jack is VERY intense on the drums. I also think that
Jack Irons is sort of a tragic character and that was attractive to Ed, or in
other words, they have a much deeper connection than Dave and Ed ever could
of had. I think this is important when creating music. Again just my take
on the situation, but I think it is right on.
Wow that turned out to be very long.
Hope this helps.
Later,
Chad.
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Hi all,
I don't know if anybody has checked out Voyager's web page at
http://www.voyagerco.com/cdlink/voyager2/who/quadro.html
but they have an example of the CDLink technology and one of the albums used
is "Quadrophenia."
Seems pretty interesting.
Joe
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Twice now I've posted this scrap of Mick's original note without anything
attached -- I actually wrote a response to it but the computer wouldn't send
it! Aaarrgh!!!
Anyway I just wanted to ask if the unedited version is obtainable -- and I
second the question, why did they edit all that stuff out in the first place?
Thanks,
Amira
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hi- from some OTHER guy selling video- cram a tape full for $25
his email is
vidcom@crash.cts.com
e him for deatils
******** THE WHO
***********
6725100 LIVE IN STUDIO FOOTAGE "Pictures Of Lilly" b&w......VG+ 10
230049X BEAT CLUB b&w.......................................X- 12
"Magic Bus","Heat Wave","My Generation"
3501210 GOLDEN AGE OF ROCK'N'ROLL "The Kids Are All Right"..X 4
2300730 VARIOUS CLIPS b&w...................................VG 20
"Substitute" (CT),"I Can't Explain" {two versions),
"My Generation" (CT),"Rolling Stone"
7481:02 A WHOLE SCENE GOING British tv 1966 b&w.............X- 28
0135620 LIVE IN 1967 "Happy Jack","Sad About Us" b&w........X- 8
7191130 TWICE A FORTNIGHT 1967 British tv b&w...............X- 4
"I Can See For Miles"
6355417 THE SMOTHERS BROTHERS COMEDY HOUR...................X 10
"I Can See For Miles And Miles","My Generation"
6441900 FRENCH TV 1969......................................VG 10
6063956 TANGLEWOOD, MA. 6/70 "Tommy" Tour...................VG+ 50
9200:15 ISLE OF WIGHT POP FESTIVAL 1970.....................VG+ 5
7601:33 BEAT CLUB Tommy promos w/Townshend interview b&w....X- 33
4573762 T.O.T.P. "Won't Get Fooled Again"...................VG+ 5
5914012 ENGLAND 1974 British tv (CT)........................VG- 35
7310000 CHARLTON, ENGLAND 5/18/74...........................VG+ 57
5220000 PONTIAC, MI. 1975 Pontiac Stadium...................X- 45
2315281 CHICAGO, IL. 1975...................................VG+ 10
6120000 CLEVELAND 1975......................................VG+VG 97
7303555 DETROIT 1976........................................VG 45
3471101 O.G.W.T. 1977 British tv............................VG 10
"The Relay","Long Live Rock"
8341:38 ROCK FOR KAMPUCHEA 1979.............................X 15
0062634 FACE DANCES Promotional Film........................X- 30
8340:00 ROCKPALAST 1981 German tv...........................X- 98
7480:55 CANNES FILM FESTIVAL CLIP...........................X- 7
0380414 THE NEWS THAT ROCKED 1982...........................X- 5
8330:00 S TORONTO, ONTARIO 12/17/82...........................X- 112
8300:30 MTV ROCKUMENTARY 1988 Story Of The Who..............VG+ 52
5513767 MUCH MUSIC Canadian tv interviews & promos..........VG+ 25
promos "Another Tricky Day","Who Are You",
"You Better You Better You Bet"
promos..............................................VG+X- 5 each
2301293 THE SEEKER
0224937 WHO ARE YOU
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Roger Daltrey
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4652425 LISZTOMANIA clips...................................VG 20
6002843 LEO SAYER SHOW......................................VG+ 6
0380409 THE NEWS THAT ROCKED 1982 interview.................X- 4
1285538 S MONTREUX FESTIVAL 1986 Switzerland..................X- 5
5563340 S CONCERT FOR LIFE 4/92 w/Queen.......................X- 5
0114896 promo FREE ME.......................................X- 4
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Pete Townshend
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4465649 ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT 10/82 interview...............X- 10
6205342 PRINCES TRUST 1982 "Slit Skirts"....................X- 5
6003195 THE TUBE 1985 British tv w/David Gilmour............VG+ 20
4861844 ROCKPALAST 1986 German tv w/David Gilmour...........X- 90
4382550 S COLOMBIAN VOLCANO CONCERT 1986......................X- 5
7710:00 S DEEP END LIVE.......................................X 87
7315536 LATE NIGHT W/DAVID LETTERMAN 6/28/89................X- 10
6704587 S LATE NIGHT W/DAVID LETTERMAN 6/17/93................X 5
"Pinball Wizard" w/guitar demolition
7264287 TONIGHT SHOW 1993...................................X- 13
7313430 NEW YORK, NY 7/13/93 Channel 9 news report..........X- 3
7315842 VH-1 8/7/93 preshow interview.......................X- 3
8320:0X NEW YORK, NY 8/7/93.................................X 150
6645338 S A&E INCONCERT 1994..................................X- 5
8300:00 ALL THE BEST COWBOYS HAVE CHINESE EYES video ep.....X- 30
"Slit Skirts","Stardom","Face Dances Pt. 2",
"Keep On Working" & others
5512925 MUCH MUSIC Spotlight Canadian tv....................VG+ 20
promos "Keep On Working","Uniforms",
"Face Dances Pt. Two","Animal" live clip
9360:59 LATE SHOW W/DAVID LETTERMAN "Don't Make Me Real"....X- 8
0114851 promo ROUGH BOYS....................................X- 4
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John Entwistle
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4412493 GAS TANK British tv.................................VG+ 10
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Re:
>Chris;
>
> I just wanted to say that Miles' "Kind of Blue" is IMHO one of the
>hottest jazz recordings ever! Also, Coltrane's "Giant Steps" is a good
>one. I'll have to check out "A Love Supreme".
Giant Steps is excellent as well, but very different from ALS. As with
Miles, there's really just not much Coltrane that isn't great.
cmh
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From: "Eddie W. Presley Jr" <epresley@iu.net>
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>Yesterday when driving home along the A1 (towards Amsterdam) I was
>listening to a John Hiatt tape (yes I do listen to other music then
>The Who). On this tape was the song 'Perfectly good guitar'. In my
>mind I saw PT on stage doing the it (I mean smashing). It made me
>wonder if this song is really based on PT smashing. The lyrics says:
>'It started back in 63' (My Generation??). Is Hiatt a PT/Who fan,
>the lyrics are not really positive, or is he just a guitar fan.
This is John pulling his better songwriter than thou routine in
response to all the Nirvana fans and the Nirvana clones with a definate
reference back to the Who. One Nirvana video at the time had them smashing
stuff up and it looked exactly like the Who. Almost as if they were
purposely (maybe?) copying them. John Hiatt had been touring with his punk
reject band, and they were good, but this song is awfully smug. I guess
sorta a retrospective Who to present guitar smashing song.
eddie
NP: Some commercial that seems to have kids and adults noticing a hot red
car with a hot driver chick and a school bus and oops it's changed to a
bunch of runners and UPS and some other sutff I can't make out and now back
to the runners and an air port and the olympics and other junk during the
grammy's
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On the John Hiatt note, I was listening to WFOG in SF when that album came
out. The DJ had a great story about Townshend visiting the station. He
autographed the jock's guitar and was then asked about the Hiatt album.
Apparently, there is a song there which borrows a sample riff or rhythm from
"Gettin' In Tune". Pete was asked about that track and he replied:
"John Hiatt asked me if he could borrow from "Gettin' in Tune"....and I told
him 'NO' ."
The DJ quickly changed the subject to a less-hostile subject.
Dan Senesky
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From: "Midnight Rider" <richl@dfw.net>
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Subject: Phish / Quad tree ... FINALLY!!!!
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Okay, folks ... all the branch leaders should have their tapes, so
here's the tree. Leaves, contact your branches! They may contact
you but if you want the tapes it's your responsibility to start the
ball rolling.
All branch tapes are 1st gen Aud from DAT:
DAT source > my analog master > branches > leaves
Phish
Rosemont Horizon, Chicago IL
October 31, 1995
Set 1 / Tape 1
Icculus
Divided Sky
Wilson
Yamar
Sparkle
Free
Guyute
Run Like an Antelope
Harpua
filler: Saratoga 6/26/95
Tela
Set 2 / Tape 2
Thriller tease
Quadrophenia!
Encore: My Generation
Set 3 / Tape 3
You
Enjoy
Myself
Jesus Left Chicago
A Day in the Life
Suzy Greenburg
filler: Saratoga 6/26/95
Don't You Wanna Go
Bathtub Gin
NICU
The Sloth
It's Ice
Dog-Faced Boy
And without further ado ... the tree structure. I think every branch
leader for the entire show has at least one leaf who wants a Quad set
only (except for the Quad only branch, of course). Many thanks to
the folks who volunteered ... couldn't have done it without ya, guys!
I'm one ... Rich
richL@dfw.net
kwinn@steptech.com Kevin Winn
giorgianni@globalone.net Joe Giorgianni
OTG@CSI.compuserve.com Owen Gilliam
Slipkid@gnn.com Ian Derby
Tapeboy@aol.com Jared
dhughes@unlinfo.unl.edu Dave Hughes
BRANCH LEADER: kob1@ix.netcom.com Kevin B. O'Brien
liquid@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu Laura Plummer
CNMX58A@prodigy.com JOHN J SUTTER III
DJDANEH@pbsrv09.isp.PacBell.COM Danehy-Oakes, Dan'l
artrocit@clark.net Artrocity!
beeler@sag.space.lockheed.com Chris J. Beeler
BRANCH LEADER: PALIVICHNI@aol.com David Mangham
whoman@kbp.com
Pam516@aol.com Pam
ORTCO@aol.com J Stotts
PDooger@aol.com
DONNE053@mailgate.navsses.navy.mil Mike Donnelly
BRANCH LEADER: brawley@cbl.cees.edu John Brawley
hare@destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu Jason Hare
mhanley@microsoft.com Michael Hanley
EFEUERST@gismo.geology.indiana.edu Eric Feuerstein
yarlas@PSYCH.UCLA.EDU Aaron Yarlas
matheso@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Shane Matheson
BRANCH LEADER: Extremus@aol.com Mick Noland
amck@eden.com Alan McKendree
rewilson@ncinter.net Robert Wilson
mwest@atc-1s.hac.com Mike Westbrook
74220.2140@compuserve.com Andy Burton
jlproulx@mailbox.syr.edu Jon Proulx
QUAD ONLY:
BRANCH LEADER: mason@pioneer.ci.net Mason Weinrich
WCDG81A@prodigy.com Ed Hanel
keith@magicnet.net JEFF SCHOTLAND
jaz@math.ufl.edu Jeff Zahnen
dtratt@lmg.Jpl.Nasa.Gov David M. Tratt
mlongtin@testament.camb-lads.loral.com Mike Longtin
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From: BogleEdwa@urvax.urich.edu (Edward Bogle)
Subject: Keith Moon's Best
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I think a definite achievement for Keith Moon (though I'm not prepared to
say that it's the best) is "A Quick One While He's Away." Specifically,
listen to the Ivor section. As a somewhat accomplished and experienced (but
any rate proficient) drummer, I can say that it's nearly impossible to
reproduce that railroad effect that Keith gets. Certainly it's a great big
feather in Keith's cap.
Ed
Help fight Oasism... listen to The Beatles.
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Well, I'm new to the group so why not more formally introduce myself with my
Ten Desert Island discs...everyone else is, so here goes...
1. Quadrophenia--I read on one of the posts that someone felt it changed her
life at age 15. That's exactly when I bought it
and exactly what happened to
me. My friend once said it was "ahead of its
time" (way back in '85). It still is...
2. Live at Leeds (reissue)--After listening to this, there can be NO doubt
that The Who were the best live rock
and roll band ever. This album makes
me sweat just listening to it...
3. Mr. Fantasy---Traffic, IMO, is a very underrated band, but this album is
simply
fantastic. Some songs are goofy, sure, but it's a
landmark album
which deserves far more credit.
4. Exile on Main Street---The Stones are more vibrant, energetic and diverse
in this one than on any other of their
albums. A lot of bluesy-type songs to
endure, but the rewards are sweet ("Rocks Off", "All
Down the Line", "Shine A
Light", "Soul Survivor").
5. Thick as a Brick---I give Jethro Tull a lot more credit now than I used
to. A very
creative band who impressed me immensely with
this epic "song"
and the music is smartly produced. Excellent
bass lines.
6. Crosby, Stills & Nash--Great harmonies and memorable songs all over here.
To hell with complaints about Stephen
Stills' ego, this album is a
outstanding testament to the era in
which it was produced.
7. The Yes Album----There is no "average" song here. Every one's a winner.
Try
sampling "A Venture" or "Perpetual Change"!
Great musicianship
and vocals all around...
8. Revolver----Getting a lot more attention as possibly The Beatles' finest
all around effort. No need to justify it to me.
Great rockers here ("She Said She Said", "Tomorrow
Never Knows", "Taxman") that showcase the
great talent that band had...
9. Days of Future Passed---This is a tremendous and unique recording by The
Moody Blues. Maybe the
"classical/pop-psychedelia" mix doesn't
work for everyone, but it does for
me...
10. Led Zeppelin---The best debut album by any band. Some obvious rock
anthems here, but every album I've listed has
a few. Again, great musicianship and no
confusing references to Tolkien or evil kings.
Just good power rock and roll and blues...
That's about it. I won't bore you with any runner-ups. I honestly want to
say that this whole subscribing group has been awesome and has far exceeded
my expectations!
Thanks for listening!
Dan Senesky
Oakland, CA
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From: "Michael D. Mullins" <mullins@ecn.purdue.edu>
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Sue,
Funny you should mention Rancid. I recently read an interview with their
bass player in which he said that listning to "Live At Leeds" was what made
him want to first pick up the bass. He said he used to turn off the right
channel so that he could listen to just Entwistle.
Oh, and I must confess: I actually like the Sex Pistols version of Substitute
better than the Who's (never was one of my favorite Who tunes)....
M.M.
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In a message dated 96-02-28 10:45:27 EST, you write:
> Out To Hunch--Hasil Adkins (Actually, it's a scary thought being
>stranded on an island with Haze.)
hey Stace!
Just put For Lover's Only to have some SCOTS on the list. My buddy Ray is
responsible for getting them on Geffin, & besides seeing them ALOT, I've
gotten to be friends with Rick, Mary & dave. if you're into trading, i have
3 soundboads that are 1st gen from DATS that i got direct from Dave! In
fact, I'll trade you for photos!
As far as Haze, I've been a fan for much to long. Here's a great story for
ya. the renowned critic/writer Greil marcus used to shop at the record store
i worked at, the legendary Down Home Music in el Cerrito, CA (home of
Arhoolie Records). He'd just heard Haze on KALZ-Berkeley, & said "I just
heard either the best rockabilly cat I ever heard, or the world's biggest
joke!". I convinced him to buy the Chicken Walk LP, & I guess he's been a
fan ever since!
Best, GaryM
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Howdy Rusties & whosters!
Today AOL decided it was going to fuck up ALL my mail, incoming & outgoing.
Some trickled out, but not much. In order for me to un-freeze my computer,
I had to delete ALL my INCOMING AND OUTGOING mail, so if you sent me
something worth my seeing PLEASE re-mail it to me (That includes Jim K's
question about my blues band!)
All the best,
(Was he a heavy doper/or was he just a loser/ he was (A Friend Of yours)
(GaryM)
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Guys,
I found this on AOL:
Friday, March 1st, at 10 pm EST, John Entwistle of The Who will be in the
Nightclub *LIVE* to take your questions and chat!
Entwistle is currently on tour with his solo group, and will be signing on
from the road. This is the first of several appearances they'll be making in
the Nightclub throughout March--they're also going to be sending in "reports
from the road," to be posted outside of the Nightclub.
This is a unique series--exclusive to AOL's the Nightclub, and a first for
both the Nightclub and Entwistle and his band. Come join the start of
history by jumping in and joining the chat!
If you have AOL this might be worth doing....WF, I know you'll be there,
right?
Jay
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From: Lev Polinsky <polinsky@husc.harvard.edu>
To: the Who <thewho@mpath.com>
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I've started a trivia contest on my web page -- answer 10 rather tough
rock trivia questions and I'll give you a $50 gift certificate at Tower
Records or your favorite record store (say, Mark's)...
It's at http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~polinsky/Trivia.html , be sure to
check out the rest of my page, too.
One of the questions is Who-related.
--LP.