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>
>The Who Mailing List Digest      Tuesday, 13 August 1996      
>Volume 03 : Number 528
>
>In this issue:
>
>	Re: The Kids Are Alright Video
>	Squire vs. Entwistle (again)
>	Moon's death vs. TKAA
>	Re: John's weightlifting
>	Re: JAE -- Turn Up the Volume!
>	New album in '89
>	Irish Jack
>	My Generation: The Very Best of the Who
>	The Who Mailing List Digest V4 #
>	Townshend & Raphael Rudd sessions
>
>See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the The Who
>mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
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>
>From: salamander@MADNET.COM
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:38:52 -0500 
>Subject: Re: The Kids Are Alright Video
>
>I think Keith probably saw the final cut of the film before he died. But
>once you have the final cut of a movie, you still have to make copies,
>and promote it, and do all that other showbiz stuff. Sort of like how
>albums don't come out the second the recording is finished, but
>(usually) a couple of months later.
>
>                                         -Yellow Ledbetter
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>
>From: Jacksonjim@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:29:55 -0400
>Subject: Squire vs. Entwistle (again)
>
>>Chris has admitted being influenced heavily by
>>John's playing, but Chris to me is melodic for melodic's sake. 
>
>And what is John? John is melodic for the sake of being heard.  *ALL* of the
>guys in the Who used their abilities in attempts to be at the center of
>attention.  Entwistle is the *only* member who opted not to carry that over
>into his stage show, as well.
>
>Chris's role in his band is largely the same as John's in that both men
>wanted to establish the melodic potential of the bass guitar within a rock
>music framework.  Unlike Entwistle, Squire ended up working with a band that
>also wanted to experiment with:
>a.  longer musical pieces and passages
>b.  more developed, intricate vocal harmonies
>c.  multiple layers of melody (guitar, keyboards, bass)
> 
>>[Chris Squire] doesn't carry the songs the way John does
>
>This is purely your opinion.
>
>>>>if he is replaced with a quieter and less busy player like on the
>Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe tour he is not  missed, (for the most
>part :)<<<
>
>As a longtime Yes fan, I would miss him. Chris's bass always has me
>interested and it's one reason why I tended to downplay ABWH (that, and the
>fact that I knew they wouldn't last).
>
>>>>In the Who, John is too important to maintaining the structure of the
>songs and would definitely be missed if he 
>was not playing with the group. <<<
>
>The same is true of Squire even if you can't see it or accept it.
>
>>>>Chris' style is distinctive, but is not as important to the music as John
>is by far, IMO.<<<
>
>Gotta disagree.  Go back and get some Yes albums out.  Try envisioning
>"Roundabout" without the bass line, or "Tempus Fugit," or "Long Distance
>Runaround," or "Sound Chaser," or "City of Love," or "Heart of the Sunrise,"
>or "Siberian Khatru."  I think what it comes down to for you is that you
>prefer the Who to Yes, which is fine.  But that shouldn't mean that you
>misinterpret Chris Squire's importance as a rock bassist just because you
>like the Who better.  
>
>>>>If that's so, then why was his bass turned down so low at MSG?  I realize
>everything had to be quieter for Pete's sake<<<
>
>It's just a guess on my part, but maybe the bass was lower in the mix at MSG
>because John didn't care enough to argue on his own behalf.  We know that the
>man has plans for himself and his other band, so his focus and attention may
>have been on them, and he participated in this QUAD thing as simply a way to
>get some visibility, perform before a big crowd, and cash some checks.  I
>think Roger has made it pretty clear that he and JAE don't like working
>purely at Pete's behest and whim.  This QUAD thing, IMHO, is purely
>Pete-driven and will benefit Pete more than it does RD and JAE, and
>*everybody* involved knows it.  So maybe John simply relented to save the
>argument. I have to think that if it mattered that much to John, he wouldn't
>sit out the encore (that utterly amazes me that he did).
> 
>- --Jim
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Andrew Kamholz <kamholz@u.washington.edu>
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Moon's death vs. TKAA
>
>Obviously, this isn't much help, but the liner notes of the box set (30 Y of M
>R&B) note that Moon died on September 8th, 1978 and that the film TKAA was
>released on June 24, 1979. As Hollywood goes today, we could probably surmise
>that the film was completed before his death, but it's really a tough call.
>- -Andy
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Eddie W. Presley Jr." <epresley@iu.net>
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:45:13 -0400
>Subject: Re: John's weightlifting
>
>JenniferD wrote:
>>In reference to the weight of his basses, a Who show tended to be an
>athletic event, and if >John wasn't moving he had to do something to keep
>up... like weightlifting...?
>
>I think it was from lifting all those brandy bottles when the Who drank for
>the All Star British Drinking Squad... ;)!
>
>BTW: Its certainly become a much more exclusive list as of late! hehehe!
>
>Eddie
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Eddie W. Presley Jr." <epresley@iu.net>
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:41:19 -0400
>Subject: Re: JAE -- Turn Up the Volume!
>
>From: "Amira Boctor" 
>I wrote:
>>In the Who, John is too important to maintaining the structure of the
>songs and would >definitely be missed if he was not playing with the group.
>Chris' style is distinctive, but is >not as important to the music as John
>is by far, IMO.
>
>Then Amira wrote:
>>If that's so, then why was his bass turned down so low at MSG?  I realize
>everything had >to be quieter for Pete's sake (no pun intended) but I think
>the Who could have pulled off a >"Yes" performance, that is, blending the
>bass and all the other instruments so John >wouldn't have been so left out.
> All IMHAIO (try to figure that one out, Jen and Aimee! ;-).
>
>I don't know why he was mixed down it, just like on nearly every studio
>record, live record, live tv performance, home video performance, I don't
>know why John is almost always TOO LOW. John certain could have blended in
>and not out. He is a lead player in the Who and it amazes me everytime I
>see new Who product, John is almost always out of the mix. The Who is a
>band that roars with equal parts bass, drums, voice and guitar. They make
>one huge noise. The only thing that I can see for the MSG shows for John
>being low is Pete's  hearing or that was best mix for the musicians on
>stage, or that was the most satisfying mix out front (to them) with all the
>extra musicians. This doesn't make it 'right' or satisfying to the audience
>who just want to hear John steamroll over the place with his bass parts,
>but they had the extra musicians to fill in the gaps John usually does and
>this wasn't a Who (wink wink) performance. It was just a performance of
>Quadrophenia... Now where's the home video? ;)
>Eddie
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: dbowler@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 09:00:11 EST
>Subject: New album in '89
>
>I discovered this thread going through some old digests.
>
>Pete mentioned this in the Aspel interview - he said that they considered doing
>a new album for some time but eventually decided that a tour would cover more
>ground and be more fun to do.
>
>>From an Aussie perspective I wish they'd done the LP...
>
>
>Denis.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: D & G Ramey <rameys@erols.com>
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:26:49 -0400
>Subject: Irish Jack
>
>Does anyone know whats happened to Irish Jack? I had the pleasure of
>meeting him during the 89 tour and was just wondering.....
>
>                                             Glenn R.
>Irish Jack is alive and well delivering mail in Britain. He was in New York
and I had the pleasure of speaking to him a number of times - at the bar -
back stage and at other gatherings .... nice guy - how does he afford the
tours is my question?
Laura
 P.S. I am sorry for screaming at everyone before - I am new to the net and
didn't know what all caps meant!
>------------------------------
>
>From: Dave Shipway <dave.shipway@admin.ox.ac.uk>
>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:49:03 +0100 (BST)
>Subject: My Generation: The Very Best of the Who
>
>Hi,
>
>I tried to post this yesterday, but our mail server was down. Apologies 
>if it happens to show up twice.
>
>The above compilation is in the shops in the U.K.
>
>The tracklist is as follows:
>
>
>1. I Can't Explain		2.04
>2. Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere	2.40
>3. My Generation		3.18
>4. Substitute			3.47
>5. I'm a Boy			2.36
>6. Boris the Spider		2.27
>7. Happy Jack			2.11
>8. Pictures of Lily		2.45
>9. I Can See for Miles		4.21
>10. Magic Bus			3.15
>11. Pinball Wizard		3.00
>12. The Seeker			3.22
>13. Baba O'Riley		5.07
>14. Won't Get Fooled Again	8.32
>15. Let's See Action		4.02
>16. 5.15			4.49
>17. Join Together		4.22
>18. Squeeze Box			2.40
>19. Who Are You			5.02
>20. You Better You Bet		5.37
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: CHRIS.BANKO@bfi.com
>Date: Monday, 12 August 1996 5:02pm ET
>Subject: The Who Mailing List Digest V4 #
>
>the shows at msg were terrific. lots more energy than any of the 12 tommy
>shows i saw in 89'. if anyone knows where i can get boot cd and video info
>please e-mail me at chris.banko&bfi.com
>
>thanks clb
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: joegold@buttercup.cybernex.net (joe gold)
>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:31:33 -0500
>Subject: Townshend & Raphael Rudd sessions
>
>Hi,
>My friend Raphael Rudd is about to release some recordings he did with P
>Townshend & Phil Collins which I thought would be of interest to "Who
>Digest" members. Thanks, Joe Goldberger
>
>TOWNSHEND PROTEGE TO MAKE U.S. CD DEBUT.
>Raphael Rudd, Who at 21 was asked by Pete Townshend to arrange and conduct
>the London Philharmonic Orchestra for the soundtrack to "Quadrophenia," and
>later arranged the single "Rough Boys" from Townshends "Empty Glass"
>album, will release his debut U.S. CD on the indie label, WEDGE MUSIC, late
>this summer.  Raphael Rudd's double CD, "The Awakening Chronicles," begins
>with the sessions recorded at Eel Pie Studios with Townshend, Phil Collins,
>and Annie Haslam when Rudd first met the Who member in 1977. The second CD,
>"The Skydancer Sessions," was completed in Los Angeles in 1991. Townshend
>says he regarded himself as Rudd's "musical mentor" when he asked him to
>orchestrate the final scene of "Quadrophenia," but today, they inspire each
>other on a more equal footing. Townshend says he is "greatly influenced" by
>Rudd's piano style. See photos of the Townshend/Collins/Haslam/Rudd
>sessions at Raphael Rudd's web site at:
>http://www.arts-online.com/music/969/rudd.htm
>For more information on the Raphael Rudd CD, contact Rob Findlay at: WEDGE
>RECORDS
>130 West 57th St.
>Suite 12-E
>New York, NY 10019
>Phone: 212-765-3666
>
>
>
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>
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