I tried the Plus 4's and my car hated them!! I took them back out (luckily they have a money back gaurantee...) and went with the stock NKG's...Potterman has a good deal on them... Sean aka EuroStyle --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01