Re: Thought I'd seen it all...

[VW155mph@aol.com]

To note, the engines that you are comparing the 12V VR6 to are either 24 
valve, or 30 valve motors.  To compare apples to apples, VW does have a 24 
valve version of the VR6 on sale (Europe only) called the V6.  It puts out 
204 hp @ 6200 rpms and 199 lb-ft of torque @ 3200 rpms.  Are we going to see 
it here?  I sure hope so, but it will be only in 4Motion since VW has a 
belief that 180-190hp is the upper limits that should be had in a FWD 
vehicle.  Prior to this, VW sold a 2.9 L VR6 (again Europe only, and Corrado 
only) that put out 190hp and 180lb-ft of torque, still 12V.  I would not 
sleep on the potential of VW, nor the VR6.

In a message dated 02/24/2000 12:01:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
vfrboy@home.net writes:

> > > 172 horses out a 2.8L six cylinder is pretty pathetic,
>  >
>  > Can you think of another 2.8 litre 12V motor that puts out 172 hp?  172
>  > hp is respectable for the VR6, especially since it dates back to 92.
>  
>  12Valve ... no.  But plenty of 2.8L 24 Valve engines are crushing the 172
>  mark, not to mention also providing more torque.
>  
>  > GM was lucky to get 155-160 hp out of their 3.1 in 92.  :-)
>  
>  GM was, is, and always will be an American engine maker, torque means a
>  whole lot more to them than peak horsepower, so it's not really a fair
>  comparison.  What about Audi's 190HP 2.8?  Or BMW's 190HP 2.8?  They both
>  make more torque and get better mileage in heavier cars.  So what's the
>  deal?
>  
>  Bill
>  '98 GLX


Marc A. Brown
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