Re: Slightly Off Topic (BMW question)

["Taylor Oliver" <taylor@ionet.net>]

On the 993 issue, there's no way that a stock 993 turbo is getting a 192 top
speed and beating a Viper. Perhaps a 993 GT1/GT2 or a 993 turbo s. That's
the only way that you are getting near that number with a 993.



----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hussey <vfrboy@home.net>
To: <jettaglx@igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic (BMW question)


>
> "Billy T." wrote:
>
> > What about the 993 turbo!?  It wil spank the daylights out of any
supercar...
> >
> > 100K+    1996 993 Turbo  (0-60 in 3.7sec, 192 top speed...  pretty much
blows
> > every Farrari[F50 included] and especially Vipers out of the water, bone
> > stock)  And oh yeah, it is all wheel drive.
>
> Wow .. and what magazine exactly is it that you read that supported any
illusion
> at all that the 993 Turbo was capable of breaking 185mph??
>
> I will support you on the 3.7 to 60 ... in fact ... one magazine once got
it to
> 60 in 3.6 seconds .. woopity doo dah.
>
> .... Actually, let me begin again.  I ... am a Viper fan.  Simple and
pure.  Upon
> reading what you wrote before, I had contemplated just ranting on about
how
> un-Viper-worthy the 993 Turbo is/was.  I could sit here and pump numbers
out of
> my head all day long, but instead, I'm going to prove it.
>
> I have collected every Car & Driver, Road & Track, Motor Trend, and
Automobile
> for the last 8 years (Car & Driver for 10 and Road & Track for 9).  I have
kept
> every pretty much every one of them.  I have a small group of about 100 in
my
> room, and a couple of hundred in my basement in a wooden structure I have
dubbed
> "The Archives".  I spent the past 5 minutes rummaging through the
magazines in my
> room looking for issues that had major articles comparing the Viper GTS
and the
> last edition of the 911 Turbo (the 400 HP, 400 ft-lb AWD model).  I
selected the
> first one I found, and here's what it says:
>
> May 1997 Edition of Motor Trend:  Volume 9 Number 5
> ----
>
> The title of the Motor Trend article was High-Speed Shoot-Out, I'll start
off
> with the facts:
>
> Top Speed
> Viper GTS: 187.3
> Porche 911 Turbo: 181.8
>
> 0 - 60
> Porche 911 Turbo: 3.7
> Viper GTS:  4.0
>
> Quarter Mile
> Viper GTS:  12.2 @ 119.3
> Porche 911 Turbo:  12.3 @ 114.1
>
> Maximum Lateral Grip
> Viper GTS:  1.01g
> Porche 911 Turbo:  1.00g
>
> 600 Foot Slalom
> Viper GTS: 73.6 mph
> Porche 911 Turbo:  69.6 mph
>
> 0 - 100
> Viper GTS:  8.8 seconds
> Porche 911 Turbo:  9.4 seconds
>
> 100 - 0
> Porche 911 Turbo:  4.3 seconds
> Viper GTS:  5.1 seconds
>
> 1 Mile Acceleration
> Viper GTS:  30.6 @ 169.4
> Porche 911 Turbo:  31.2 @ 162.6
>
> Las Vegas Motor Speed Way Road Coarse
> Viper GTS: 39.4 seconds
> Porche 911 Turbo:  40.2
>
>     These numbers clearly show that the Porche's AWD gives it a certain
advantage
> off the line.  But the Viper weighs only 62 lbs more and has 50 more HP
and 90
> more ft-lbs of torque.  Think of the sheer thrust involved in getting a
RWD car
> to 60 mph in 4.0 seconds.  Or better yet, look at the 0 - 100.  By the
time both
> cars reach 60, the Viper is .3 seconds behind the Porche, yet it makes up
all of
> that PLUS an addition .6 seconds before they both reach 100 .... not bad
'eh?
> The quarter time shows it just as well .... the times are similar, but the
> terminal velocities are very very different (over 5 mph apart), again
showing
> that the Viper just didn't have the off-the-line grip that the Porche had.
All
> in all, the Viper STOMPS on the Porche.  Granted the lack of ABS means
that you
> can't just stomp on the brake pedal with all of your might, and this hurts
the
> braking distance numbers, but comments from the drivers suggest that
because of
> the absolutely massive rubber and huge front rotors, the Viper stops with
more
> force and better control while at the braking limit.
>
> Bill
> '98 GLX
>
>