RE: Bottom End Performance Mods

[Bryan Billings <vwxcross@worldnet.att.net>]

"The Dinan chips you
mention are USUALLY not BMW warrantied. They are covered by a Dinan
warranty. In addition, you are basically paying for that warranty at the
time of purchase. Look at the PRICE of Dinan parts compared to other BMW
tuners."

They either are warranted or arn't.  Whats this USUALLY?! have you ever had 
a dinnan chip with a BMW?  I have and they work hand in hand with BMW and 
they are accepted by BMW.  The delear here in denver is a rep for dinnan. 
 Sound like you are talking about things you know nothing about.
I think we should call you answer BOY! Cause you seem to have all the 
answers.  I don't claim to know it all but this is a personal experience I 
have had.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Dana Schrader [SMTP:schrader@dwx.com]
Sent:	Thursday, October 08, 1998 11:00 PM
To:	jettaglx@igtc.com
Subject:	RE: Bottom End Performance Mods

Even without a chip, you can over rev every car out there that has a manual
transmission. Downshift to first or second from 65 MPH and let the clutch
out. No chip is going to prevent an over rev in this case. (Most automatics
now prevent this kind of downshift.) In regards to "proving it", in most
cases the dealer doesn't have to. If you read close enough, most warranties
are void if non-factory "modifications" are made. The Dinan chips you
mention are USUALLY not BMW warrantied. They are covered by a Dinan
warranty. In addition, you are basically paying for that warranty at the
time of purchase. Look at the PRICE of Dinan parts compared to other BMW
tuners.

I currently own a '97 vehicle that I take to 3-4 open track events per 
year.
I run racing brake pads at the track. Because of the additional heat
generated, I cracked the rubber boots on the tie rod ends. When I asked how
much to replace them, the Service Advisor said "Nothing. You're 
experiencing
a noise in the front end, right?" as he winked. He KNOWS that I take it to
the track and yet he fixed them UNDER WARRANTY. I didn't even buy the car
there. We have been customers there for close to 10 years and they know how
we care for our cars. That helps.

The bottom line is the dealership has a way out if they choose to use it.
Any modifications that can be related to a problem can be used as a
non-warranty case. In other words, lowering springs will not cause them to
not honor a transmission problem.

Flame suit now on!

-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-jettaglx@igtc.com [mailto:owner-jettaglx@igtc.com] On Behalf Of
Bryan Billings
Sent:	Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:42 AM
To:	'jettaglx@igtc.com'
Subject:	RE: Bottom End Performance Mods

Thats BS Don, How does a chip warp your crank?  It gives you maybe 2%,
unless you were stupid enough to take the rev limiter completely off.  Oh
by the way that is exactly what I said they have to prove it.  This came
directly from my dealer.  Did you know the BMW delears actually sell Dinnan
Chips and install them.  They put one in my 1997 BMW 318ti Club Sport Last
year.

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From:	deecee@exit109.com [SMTP:deecee@exit109.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, October 07, 1998 3:12 AM
To:	jettaglx@igtc.com
Cc:	'jettaglx@igtc.com'
Subject:	RE: Bottom End Performance Mods

At 09:53 PM 10/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Once you have a contract signed if they have not changed the wording they
>cant do squat.  My dealer here is quite ok with the mods.  In fact they
say
>that they would have to prove that the particular mod caused the problem.
> If it did well then yes but who the hell keeps cars past the powertrain
>warranty anyway?  You have to keep upgrading if you plan on keeping any
>kind of value.  That goes for any car.
>
>Bryan
Bryan. Trust me if you launch a transmission or drop a rod bearing and it
can be traced to a performance modification you will be responsible. There
is no way the dealer will be that nice when VW refuses to pay a claim. I
just got done replacing a motor in a 1998 GTI with 6,000 miles because of a
warped crankshaft. This motor was $7,200 and I was paid 35 hours labor to
replace it. This car was modified and my OTS went over the car looking for
a performance chip. If he found it bingo no coverage. No chip VW paid the
repairs.  No chip was found.


Don