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Re: from the globe

At 03:09 PM 1/23/2004, Tammo29@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>Which proves exactly what? See, this is why stats are so dangerous as
proof of anything other than the agenda of the people citing them and their skill
in manipulating them (I happen to be very good at that, which makes me
particularly cynical about what can be done with them). And don't get me wrong. This
is not a defense of the 3, a shot I loathe no matter who is shooting it.
<snip>
And then there's the whole issue of the minutes. The less minutes you play
the more skewed any per minute evaluation is going to be. Again, don't get me
wrong - Walter shoots too many 3s.
<snip>

The one thing all the players you name above have in common that Walter and
Antoine do not, they are all guards.
Guards should be shooting more threes than power forwards.  Yes, some guards
do take too many three's, and Baron Davis would be in that category.
However, Pierce takes 4.95 three's per game, which is just about average for
a starting shooting guard considering the number of minutes he plays and the
number of shots he takes.

Now how did I know you would disagree about the example I used as also taking too many?
Look, you're completely missing my point. As I said **repeatedly** (see above), I am not defending either the 3 or Walter's shooting them. I've hated that shot since I used to yell at Ainge in his playing days, even when he made them because it just encouraged him to take more. And I've never made the slightest pretense of loving any part of Walter as a player, although I'm sure he's a fine human being. Even on the defensive end I've thought he got too much credit from people not understanding the difference between expending energy and working hard. I was simply pointing out the problem with reading too much into stats.

For Pierce about 26% of his shots are three pointers. That would be lower if
there were a reliable way to take free throws into consideration, which
probably only the coaching staff would be able to do. About 25% of his shots last
season were three's.

Fine, but that's not what he is best at, both per se and relative to others on the team, which is part of why I had already acknowledged his proportion of 3s was much better but still said that he took too many of them. Especially since IMO his judgement can be as bad as Antoine's ever was. Don't bother to say you disagree, I think we can take that as a given.

So I think this is a realistic complaint about this coach and the way he
coaches this team.

Which again is your point, but has nothing to do with the one I was making that you seem to be responding to (apologies if that's not what you intend). I may not be as inclined to see Obie as the village idiot as some people around here, but I would be the last person to defend either the 3 or anything that involves giving Walter PT.

Kim