From: "Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] "The Paul Pierce show was killing the offense. "-DJessen
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:17:48 -0500
It wasn't a great shot...it was awful....a 3 with 11 secs and from the
deepest part of the arc and down by just 1....plenty of time to *run* notice
the word run a play....not sorry, this game was a coaching loss...they are
supposed to put things in motion to win games...
Pierce's statement
> > ``That's a tough loss to swallow,'' said Pierce, who had just six of
> >his 17 points in the second half. ``We let them jump over us, get
offensive
> >rebounds, get second and third opportunities, and it cost us the game. We
> >didn't come out with the same hunger like we did in the first half.''
> >-Steve Bulpet
This is the Captain saying the team failed....he should look at the tapes...
DanF
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Niles" <celtfan44@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <Celticsstuffgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>; <lancejacob@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] "The Paul Pierce show was killing the offense. "-DJessen
> Quite frankly, Yes, it does sound like a leader. It sounds like he was
> trying to let the younger, inexperienced players know not to let their
guard
> down. Guys like Banks, Kedrick, and even James who have not been there
> before. In my opinion, Pierce did not blow the game for them. He had a
wide
> open 3 and just missed it. But he was not forcing the issue like he has
> been. I just don't see how you get on a guy for missing an open shot. It
was
> a great shot to take, it just didn't go down. He's not the only one to
ever
> miss an open jumper.
>
> IMO, the game was lost by Obie not playing Banks more. Banks was playing
> like we all have been hoping. He was driving past his man at will, and
> making all the right passes. I don't know if he even played at all in the
> 4th quarter. James, started the 2nd half, and NY came storming back. Banks
> went in and the lead went back to 9. Then Banks doesn't get off the bench
in
> the 4th, and the knicks come back and pull it out. I'd like to see the +,-
> numbers for Banks and James last night.
>
>
> >From: JB <jimmetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: Celticsstuffgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: Celticsstuffgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >CC: Celtics List <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>, Lance Jacobson
> ><lancejacob@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] "The Paul Pierce show was killing the offense.
> >"-DJessen
> >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:44:58 -0500
> >
> >
> >On Nov 18, 2003, at 1:14 AM, ojai_ramos wrote:
> >
> >>Awful. When it all started slipping away I actually felt physically
> >>ill. How many lost games can we directly attribute to PP not playing
> >>well? Awful.
> >>
> >> Ojai
> >************
> > I wouldn't mind if he was not "playing well." What I do mind, is a ball
> >hog, looking for personal stats/glory, at the expense of losing games.
> > I don't like it from Iverson, I didn't like it from Walker and I don't
> >like it from Pierce. If you are on the way to a 6-20 night, in a season
of
> >poor shooting performances, you don't look to keep on chucking in a close
> >contest like last night.
> > Perhaps the worst aspect of Paul's performance last night were his
quotes
> >in the paper this AM:
> >
> > ``That's a tough loss to swallow,'' said Pierce, who had just six of
> >his 17 points in the second half. ``We let them jump over us, get
offensive
> >rebounds, get second and third opportunities, and it cost us the game. We
> >didn't come out with the same hunger like we did in the first half.''
> >-Steve Bulpet
> >
> >"That's a tough loss to swallow," said Pierce. "I told [my teammates]
this
> >is a team that could easily be a .500 team. They've lost a lot of close
> >ballgames. They're not going to lay down. They're going to get in and
fight
> >in the third quarter. We let them jump all over us [in the second half],
> >get offensive rebounds, get second and third opportunities, and it cost
us
> >the game. We didn't come out with the same hunger in the second half that
> >we had in the first half." -Shira Springer
> >
> > Is that the sign of a leader?
> > Whey your team is down by twenty, I can see letting a Pierce just try to
> >go off and lead a comeback, but on a night when so many other sources of
> >offense were clicking, it's a shame to let everything break down and
watch
> >the lead fritter away.
> >
> >
> > JB
> >*********************
> >
> > The Paul Pierce show was killing the offense. Tell-tale sign that the
Paul
> >Pierce show was about to commence was Banks taking a shot with about 7
> >seconds left on the clock after playing a great game and previously
> >constanstly forcing the Knicks to get back on defense. On the other end,
PP
> >gets the rebound, looks toward Banks who is clapping his hands together
to
> >receive the ball and ram it up the court, but PP blows him off, brings it
> >up himself and the PP show is on. Repeated forces, two guys draped
all-over
> >him, it didn't matter. It would have been great theater but PP wasn't
> >hitting anything. The thing was that Obie also took out Banks after that
> >play. It was like he was confirming that the PP show was to commence.
Paul
> >never looked to pass when he came back in the fourth quarter. He was
trying
> >to do it all himself. He was horrible. He has got a lot to learn (or
> >unlearn) about playing the passing game....
> >Otherwise, nice growth game for all up-and-comers: Baker, Welch and
> >Banks.....
> >I like the combination of Banks, Kedrick and Welch together....
> >Battie came down to earth. Celtics should not continue to look to as an
> >offensive weapon, nor should he......
> >I would prefer that the Cs win but this game was a good growth spurt for
> >the long term.....
> >
> >DJessen33
> >___________
> >
> > I don't know DJ, I'm starting to worry about divisiveness and anger
> >towards Pierce, from the soldiers that are used to picking up the pieces
> >for him, while letting him get all the credit.
> > Any role player, or sideman, as they say in the music business is often
> >happy letting the front man take the attention and the glory, but only
when
> >they are winning/making money. When they are losing/fading and the the
> >aging crooner starts blaming the drummer and/or the bassist for the
sagging
> >ticket sales, the situation often goes downhill from there.
> > Not wanting to become like the proverbial general, who looks behind him,
> >in battle and realizes his troops have gone on bivouac, Paul had better
> >start to take his captaincy seriously and work long, extra hours, on his
> >shooting and also sincerely finding a way to fit into the offense, rather
> >than insist that it "run through him," whenever he has the whim.
> > JB
> >**************
> >How much longer is the enabling going to continue where every loss is
> >always O'Brien's fault and never the fault of any player(s)?
> >
> >
> >CeltsSteve
> >________
> > There was much good ball movement and easy lay ups when Pierce was on
the
> >bench. If Pierce doesn't have the sense to play within the offense in
those
> >situations, than O'Brien has to pull him. I'll blame them both, for
> >sabotaging the concept of team play and movement offense.
> > I also wonder, with Banks and Welsch playing well, why we had to watch
> >Mike James shoot 1-9 from three point land? You can't blame Paul for that
> >can you?
> > JB
> >Unchain My Heart!
> >
> >
>
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