--- You wrote: Or Perkins and Hunter? Williams is Obie's defensive floor General. And Walter, well how do you keep Mexican Jumping Beans on the IR? --- end of quote --- I hate Obie in anticipation of this. I propose a trade: Obie and the three musketeers ( Walker, Williams, Waltuh) for Sloan, Kirilenko, Harpring, Pavlovic and the #1 pick :) Kestas