Re: Vin Baker

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It is amazing how different people can look at things differently. I'll
start by saying Baker should retire. He's a bloodsucker at this point,
poison to the team. Nice guy but career shot. Just goes to show putting on a
green jersey doesn't work, there must be talent inside it. Baker's mental
problems shouldn't be the Celtics problem. Sure he deserves sympathy, but
not as a player. I don't think Baker has contributed one positive thing for
the Celtics. From the Compassionate Right, Mark is right on.

This season without trades is over, no hope. Let's work Kedrick and Bremer
as much as possible giving them experience and hope for a Lottery Pick.

DanF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh O." <igtcjosh@yahoo.com>
To: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>; <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Vin Baker


> Not only that, but Mark is dead wrong.  The trade was
> a mistake, but Vin Baker is a good teammate who has
> contributed in some small way to the Celtics this
> year, and deserves greater respect.  Obie is a
> frigging moron for not making an effort to make him
> more involved and confident; I would fire him before
> Wallace, because he is the primary author of what is
> going on now, which I by the way predicted months ago.
>  Give the guy the ball ten times a game, and you'll
> get 10-12 easy points, and a few turnovers.  Let him
> shoot a 12-footer facing the basket, or drive.  He can
> do all these things -- but even if he couldn't, it's a
> shame and a disgrace to treat a player the way Baker
> has been treated.  Everyone knows he's psychologically
> fragile, and they treated him like an old dog they
> wished would die.  The Baker "disaster" has been a
> self-fulfilling prophecy.
>
> Josh
>
>
> --- "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> wrote:
> > No offense Mark, but what is the purpose of bringing
> > this up?  We know the Baker trade isn't working and
> > we know that Wallace gambled and lost.  We know all
> > this.  If it is just venting and frustration, okay
> > then.
> >
> > I saw some excellent teamwork last night and was
> > very impressed at their willingness to move the ball
> > to the open man.  Like it or not we are going to
> > shoot the 3 at an abnormal rate.  Obie has rolled
> > the dice also in this respect, obviously figuring
> > that between Delk, Pierce, Walker, Bremer, Shammond
> > and Waltah, they may hit 40% of them.  For the most
> > part, our inside game is virtually nonexistent, save
> > for alleyoops last night to Battie, so I can see why
> > the coaching staff feels the need for the outside
> > game, especially Conner who was a long range bomber
> > himself.  I still would rather see us try to pound
> > the ball inside.  That is my preference.  But I
> > don't coach this team.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Berry, Mark S [mailto:berrym@BATTELLE.ORG]
> > Sent: February 06, 2003 9:49 AM
> > To: 'celtics@igtc.com'
> > Subject: Vin Baker
> >
> >
> > Lots of good stuff in the Globe and Herald today,
> > including the first really
> > critical, on-target criticism yet of Chris Wallace
> > (by Peter May).
> > Apparently at some point, things become so obvious
> > you can't avoid them any
> > longer.
> >
> > I'm going to talk about Baker because he overshadows
> > the game last night
> > (nice win, though). Do you see now why O'Brien
> > didn't make him any more of a
> > focal point than he did? Do you see why he made Vin
> > a bit player? The minute
> > you start to rely on Vin Baker, you're finished. I'm
> > disgusted with the guy.
> > Apparently there was speculation yesterday that
> > Baker was contemplating
> > retirement. We should be so lucky. We're stuck with
> > this embarrassment for
> > three more years after this. There is no trade out
> > there. There is no
> > contract that is worse. There is nothing to do. At
> > this point, I'm hoping
> > they remove him from the rotation completely and
> > actively encourage him to
> > retire. Maybe that's harsh, but the guy is stealing
> > money.
> >
> > The only person I'm more disgusted with is Wallace,
> > of course. Baker is here
> > only because Wallace brought him here. Wallace made
> > that choice. It's really
> > mind-boggling. I honestly can't remember a dumber
> > trade in the history of
> > sports. What a disaster. He has condemned the
> > Celtics to the worst fate you
> > can suffer in the NBA-mediocrity. They're good
> > enough to make the playoffs,
> > but we all know they're not good enough to win a
> > championship. They've been
> > lapped by the Nets and Pacers, and other teams in
> > the East are closing the
> > gap. There won't be anymore high draft picks.
> > There's no cap room. What you
> > see is what you get. Get used to 45 wins and early
> > playoff exits. Maybe
> > that's enough for some fans, who were so tired of
> > the years of losing. But
> > it's not enough. Not for the Boston Celtics. They
> > play for championships.
> >
> > It takes the fun out of games like last night. You
> > can enjoy them for what
> > they are, but you always know how this ultimately is
> > going to end.
> >
> > Mark
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