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Re: Re:
Actually, it might be nice, but the Celts won't have a scoring sixth man
that we can count on, and where does that leave Battie?
We're not the Celts, we don't move the ball well inside, except for Shammond
and we eschew contact. Baker's not hungry for rebounds, so to put him in
that role is a change. Why are the Celts looking to change a veteran's
whole game, especially when he's effective as a scorer? I have no problem
forcing him to get rebounds on the defensive end, but I prefer him playing
the a good portion of the 25-30 min without the captains and their warped
offense. Let him work with Walter and Sundov and one of the new PGs and see
what we get.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh O." <igtcjosh@yahoo.com>
To: <gh18@juno.com>; <jimmetz@mac.com>
Cc: <Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com>; <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: Re:
> You know, this is the first time I have heard Baker's
> role compared with that of Robert Parish, and it
> really makes a lot of sense. I think a chief-like
> role would fit Baker to a T; it's a way for him to
> succeed without a lot of pressure. I suspect he'll
> see the ball a little more frequently than the Chief,
> as there is no Kevin McHale to split low-post time
> with.
>
> Josh
>
> --- gh18@juno.com wrote:
> > No set plays for Baker =
> >
> > 1. Baker will have be a monster on the boards in
> > order to score.
> > 2. Baker understands that he is not the first or
> > second option in the
> > offense. He has to understand that he is playing
> > the same role as Robert
> > Parrish, block shots, rebound, and score when
> > needed.
> > 3. Eventually Baker will have a set play. However,
> > he has to understand
> > early that he is team player and not the star.
> > 4. I salute O'Brien for this effort. This move
> > will help team
> > chemistry, because it is important that everybody
> > understands their role.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:35:35 -0400 JB
> > <jimmetz@mac.com> writes:
> > > There are some very interesting
> > situations emerging, as
> > > examined by
> > > the newspapers and reflected in the coach's
> > quotes, over the last
> > > two
> > > days.
> > > It sounds like coach O'Brien isn't trying
> > to impose an
> > > offense. What's
> > > that about? He wants movement, running and
> > passing, but won't put in
> > >
> > > any set plays. It could work, like it did at
> > Kentucky, as he says he
> > >
> > > wanted better passers on the floor this year, but
> > it would work much
> > >
> > > better with a true point guard.
> > > With no set plays for Vin Baker, how in
> > the world does
> > > O'Brien expect
> > > him to have an impact? How long will it take for
> > Baker to wish he
> > > was
> > > back in Seattle? This is one situation that could
> > really hurt this
> > > franchise going forward. There is no way that
> > Wallace, or even Frank
> > >
> > > "Trader" Lane, can trade out of Vinny's contract.
> > > Offensive anarchy? If the Darwinian theory
> > of evolution
> > > holds true,
> > > the captains will dominate the ball even more,
> > leaving coach
> > > O'Brien's
> > > wish for movement and fast breaks in the waste
> > basket.
> > > Could Lance be right about coach O'Brien
> > setting this year
> > > up, to
> > > have the players beg the team to bring in a point
> > guard for next
> > > season
> > > and actually be willing to have him run the
> > offense? Coach
> > > O'Brien's
> > > focus on defense is sound, but two things have to
> > happen between
> > > defense and offense, that the team not only
> > ignored, but weakened
> > > itself in, in the off-season. 1.Rebounding. 2.
> > Passing. You can
> > > play
> > > all of the defense you want, but if you don't get
> > the rebound, the
> > > other team can just tire you out, getting shot
> > after shot. Without
> > > good
> > > passers, particularly a great, or even good, point
> > guard, you don't
> > > get
> > > high % shots, or involve the whole team on the
> > offensive end,
> > > leaving
> > > everyon disgruntled and standing around, flat
> > footed, weakening the
> > >
> > > rebounding and eventually the defense.
> > > Coach seemed to have two mantras going
> > into the off-season:
> > > 1. He
> > > wanted athletes in the front court, not
> > rebounder/banger types. 2.
> > > His
> > > point guards had to be shooters first, passers
> > second. This does not
> > >
> > > seem to be very balanced. In fact, he was
> > lamenting this week, that
> > > the
> > > team is not strong enough, under the boards and
> > keeping the other
> > > teams
> > > away from the rim. Duh?
> > > Where is Joe Gallagher? We brought him in
> > to teach post
> > > play, but
> > > without plays being charted to get the ball into
> > the post, what good
> > > is
> > > it?
> > > Richie Adubado? Here; just watching
> > practice, to renew old
> > >
> > > acquaintances? Anyone remember what Rich's
> > specialty was? He's
> > > coaching
> > > in the WNBA. That league surely is founded on
> > motion and passing.
> > >
> > > Here's hoping........
> > > The other situation, involves the lame
> > duck ownership issue
> > > and
> > > expanding the roster. Now that it's too late to
> > bring in real
> > > players,
> > > like Jacques Vaughn, or Gary Trent (I still am in
> > shock that we
> > > signed
> > > Wolkowyski and Bremer, over these two, for the
> > same money); we have
> > >
> > > O'Brien and in part, Wallace, lobbying to sign
> > another player. Who
> > > is
> > > out there? Not much really. Jimmy Jackson and Rod
> > Strickland have
> > > talent, but are hardly the good locker room
> > veterans I'd like to
> > > see
> > > on this team and both are still looking for more
> > than the minimum.
> > > We need muscle and point guard skills,
> > but who makes the
> > > decision on
> > > whether to spend it? Gaston is still the owner,
> > until the December
> > >
> > > meetings, at the earliest, I believe.
> > > Trades are a possibility, but unless they
> > figure ways to
> > > make Baker a
> > > real part of the offense, it's hard to believe
> > this team can
> > > duplicate
> > > last years showing, without some muscle and a true
> > point guard.
> > >
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > > Unchain My Heart !
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> > gh18@juno.com
> >
> >
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