Re: Who was better

[JB <jimmetz@xxxxxxx>]

From: Celtic4Hire@AOL.com
Date: Mon Jun 17, 2002  08:08:11 PM US/Eastern
To: wayray@ix.netcom.com
Cc: celtics@igtc.com, Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Who was better

Ray,
Which one of these two of the 20 greatest players was better, Hondo or 
McHale?

DJessen33
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	Above is the original question: who was "better?" Better at what?
	As you explain in your below: the distinction comes down to which 
player you would pick for your team.
	For me, in retrospect; Havlicek is "The Man."
	Since we are using hindsight, "Hondo" played for so many more years 
than Kevin, which fact pretty much negates, even the fruitless comparing 
of stats., or whatever criteria, one, say a GM, would use to pick from 
the two, if their names were on the draft board and it was time to make 
the pick.
	Below, is the response from Ray and another from Norine, which led 
up to your response, at the bottom.
	As for your charge that Ray: aka, Kai Brunner,aka, Howie Carr Fan, 
is a "flamer," or "not a Celtics fan,"  I just don't see it that way. 
Far be it from me to want to see posts about anyone's personality, in 
that, making the poster the subject of the message, but having been 
around, almost as long as you, it seems fair to post a rebuttal, to your 
view. 	As to whether or not he's an  "affectionato," I'm not going 
there. I'll leave that one to Hardoo, or Bird, the relevant board's 
grammarians/double-entendre specialists
	 Even if his posts are sarcastic, or more negative than the 
prevailing wisdom, so what? Where is the flaming? I always enjoy his 
intellect and humor, as well as his passion for and  his knowledge, of 
the team and sport. 	By the way, if I were comparing Celtic players, 
of that Hall of Fame caliber, I'd not look at your match ups, or Ray's 
either. Why not compare McHale/Heinsohn and Pierce/ Havlicek? Here we 
have players, at the same positions, who were/are asked by their teams 
to do similar things.
	None but the old timers here will agree with me, but Heinsohn was 
as effective and maybe more important, to those Celtics championship 
teams, as a scorer, as McHale and rebounded and defended equally as 
well. For the icing on the cake, no one had to taunt Tommy to be 
aggressive.
	He  was the prototype, future, power forward, who scored inside and 
out, banged for rebounds and was adept at the outlet pass, to start the 
break.
	While McHale/Heinsohn is one for the campfires, for many years to 
come, I think we can see that if Pierce stays healthy and continues to 
understand the "winning is everything," he will someday be compared to 
Havlicek in glowing terms, but for now; "Jarrin" John, can be captain of 
this fans' Celtic ship.
	He never had the athleticism, he ran like Bird, after the achilles 
injury, he couldn't jump three feet off the floor, but if I needed a 
basket, or a defensive stop, John Havlicek would be the man I'd call.
	Still:
	Bird
	Russell
	Heinsohn
	Cousy
	Havlicek	
	
	Give me the above five and I'll bet on them against the whole rest 
of the league's all time team. Jordan, Magic, Wilt, Karl, Dr. J.. 
Whoever, bring em on, just as long as I've got Dave Cowens, Tom Sanders 
and Sam Jones on the bench.
		JB

	
			Unchain My Heart!
        		

From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002  12:15:38 AM US/Eastern
Cc: celtics@igtc.com
Subject: Re: Who was better

I'll take Hondo over Antoine Walker any day of the week.
And McHale? Definitely better than Pierce. Thanks for asking.
Ray
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From: "Dorine Pratt" <norine@pshift.com>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002  08:37:05 AM US/Eastern
To: "Way Of The Ray" <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: <celtics@igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Who was better

That wasn't the question, Ray.  As to Hondo & McHale, I don't think you 
can
compare them.  Different times, different strengths and both extremely
valuable to the team at their times.  Why would we even want to compare 
them?
Must be summer and the off season.

Dorine

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On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, at 09:20 PM, Celtic4Hire@AOL.com wrote:

> I just wanted to see if WrongRay could actually say something good 
> about a
> Celtic. But he is not a Celtic fan nor basketball affectionato, just a 
> flamer
> if his drivel isn't obvious to all by now.
>
> As to why compare them, people do lists like that all the time. We are 
> always
> judging whose better. That's what being a sports fan is all about.
>
> Who would I pick if I was picking for teams? McHale. Who would be 
> considered
> a better player? Hondo...
>
> DJessen33