RE: Kenny vs. Tinsley

["Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>]

Do blocks count in the stats?  Mark, I am not trying to be difficult but,
what's up?

Cecil  

-----Original Message-----
From: Berry, Mark S [mailto:berrym@BATTELLE.ORG]
Sent: January 24, 2002 4:39 PM
To: 'Shawn Niles'; Berry, Mark S; GuyClinch@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
Subject: RE: Kenny vs. Tinsley


The only area Pierce was better than Reggie last night was rebounding. You
provided the stats yourself. Did you watch the game? Reggie was better last
night. Neither guy distinguished himself down the stretch. Pierce is sick
and hurt, no doubt, and obviously he's the superior player. But last night
he wasn't. Tinsley is hurt as well, or doesn't that count? My point was that
just because Kenny played better than Tinsley last night doesn't mean
Tinsley stinks and thank goodness we drafted Forte... Just like Reggie
playing better than Pierce doesn't mean he's the superior player.

Mark

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Shawn Niles [mailto:shizzjr@hotmail.com] 
Sent:	Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:28 PM
To:	berrym@BATTELLE.ORG; GuyClinch@AOL.com; celtics@igtc.com
Subject:	Re: Kenny vs. Tinsley

Reggie had 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 26 points.
Paul had 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, and 20 points.
That is hrdly outplayed, if outplayed at all. Especially in the 4th quarter,

when reggie was invisible. You have a tendancy to make statements without 
stats to prove them, Mark. You need to view the stats before saying reggie 
played better than paul. Don't forget that paul is also battling various 
injuries and the flu, and still outplayed reggie.


>From: "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
>To: "'GuyClinch@AOL.com'" <GuyClinch@AOL.com>,   "'celtics@igtc.com'"  
><celtics@igtc.com>
>Subject: Kenny vs. Tinsley
>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:41:55 -0500
>
>OK, I'll bite. Look, Kenny has been great. Fantastic. Better than any of us
>could have hoped. Fine. He's averaging 9.5 points and 5.4 assists.
>
>Tinsley, a rookie, is averaging 10 points and 9 assists per game. He's
>shooting 37 percent, which is about what Toine shoots, but it only matters
>when it's someone else. That 37 percent comes on 10 shots per game, not 24.
>
>Did Kenny outplay Tinsley last night? You bet. And Reggie Miller outplayed
>Paul Pierce. Want to make any great assertions based on that?
>
>The issue isn't really about whether Tinsley is better than Kenny (even
>though, all things considered, he is). He's clearly a good point guard and
>there's no reason to think he won't get better, other than the widely held
>assumption that only Celtic players improve. Joe Johnson is just learning
>the ropes, but Tinsley is sure to get worse as the league adjusts. Heaven
>help us if the league "adjusts" any more to Joe Johnson. So far they've
>"adjusted" him right out of the rotation.
>
>Anyway, the point all of us have made is that Tinsley obviously is better
>than Joe Forte. He would have been a better pick just like Tony Parker 
>would
>have been a better pick. The Celtics had their chance and missed it.
>
>Those averages on Tinsley, by the way, include the following assist games:
>23, 18, 16, 16, 15, 14, 14, 13, 12, 12, 12, 11, 10, 10, 10. Let's see,
>Kenny's high mark for assists is... 11, in the second game of the season.
>Since then, his high mark is 9, which he reached Monday against Toronto.
>Kenny's best scoring game? 19. Tinsley's? 29.
>
>But hey, you're right. We don't need Tinsley. We're much better off with
>Forte. I'm sure Tinsley would be stashed on the injured list all season if
>he were in Boston. After all, the Celtics have not just Kenny, but Milt
>Palacio. The Pacers only have Travis Best and Jalen Rose.
>
>The Celtics butchered this draft. They're going to regret missing chances 
>on
>Tinsley, Parker, Haywood, Eddie Griffin, Jason Richardson and others.
>
>Mark
>
>P.S. I don't mind the chance they took on Kedrick, just the way they went
>about getting him. They thought they were smarter than everyone else. 
>Listen
>to them and they talk like JJ and Kedrick were the two top players on their
>board (they've basically said as much). There are a lot of smart people in
>the NBA who didn't agree. I don't have a problem with taking a chance, but
>do you really think a JC kid from nowhere was going to be so good in the
>workouts he'd move into the top nine? By making that promise, they boxed
>themselves in. When JJ fell to 10, they had to take him (he was the best
>player on their board...), so now you have two guys who play the same
>position and the same position as your best player. Then you wait for your
>turn to come at 21 and throw a bone to Red Auerbach, even though there are
>better players on the board at positions of greater need. You walk away 
>with
>three guys who play the same position, even though better players at
>positions of need were available. Wouldn't we all be feeling good about 
>this
>draft if we had Kedrick, Haywood and Tinsley/Parker right now?
>
>---end---
>
>Can anyone tell me how the great Mr. Tinsley did tonight against that old
> > over-the-hill Kenny?  I must have eye strain cuz it looked to me like he
> > got
> > schooled.
> >
> > Cecil (He did less than JJ)
> >
>
>I saw the same thing...
>The way folks moan about Kenny on this board is amazing..
>considering he just abuses some of this so called upgrades on a nightly
>basis.
>Those rooks just don't compare to Kenny right now...




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