Re: Still cranky.

["Orion" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>]

As someone else mentioned this team is made up of a bunch of tweaners.  Guys
that can't play the point, and aren't big enough or lack the perimeter game
for the 2 spot, guys that are too slow to play the 3 spot, but to short or
not physical enough to play the 4 spot, and guys either too slow or not
physical enough to play the 5 spot. We needed a scoring 2, (or defensive 3
if Pierce moves to the 2. Richard Jefferson?) some point help, and a
physical low post  presence.  The good teams will take advantage of this
every night. Nowitski goes for what 23 boards?  The Celtics have to lead the
league the last couple of years in giving up 20+ rebound games to guys.


The jury will be out on whether Delk and Cook can solve 2 of our problems

As far as Johnson, from draft day on I always expected  the draft was to
give the C's some trade value.  Only time will tell whether this was a good
move.  From what I saw, although not as athletic, Johnson had better court
sense than Brown. The only thing I have seen from Brown is his jumping
ability. Only time will tell on him, but he reminds me of a Jerome Kersey
type. Hopefully he will get some time to mature.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "pmaurice" <damekmo@teleport.com>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Still cranky.


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Berry, Mark S <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> >
> > As for the earlier post on Forte/Omar Cook... I think it's obvious they
> blew
> > the draft. Johnson was a disappointment and Forte just a bad choice.
I've
> > harped on it for a long time and everyone tells me to get over it, so
I'm
> > trying to do just that. At least they recognized the Johnson mistake and
> > turned it into something useful.
>
> Useful? I'm not sure. But we'll soon find out. I just think that Delk is a
> streaky shooter and if his shot's not going down, forget him. Rodney
Rogers
> doesn't rebound that well, I'm not sure he's a good defender anymore...can
> he move without the ball anymore?....he can stand out there and take
three's
> and you hope they go down. Does he give you any inside offensive presence
if
> he's not down there banging away? He's Danny Fortson - lite and Danny is
> another guy who gives you something at the cost of other things on the
court
> that don't, in my opinion, add up to an overall plus. But Danny at least
> bangs and bangs and bangs all night long. Does this take the pressure off
> Antoine and Paul? These guys are coming off the bench and yes, they give
you
> more than Palacio and Brown and Johnson "right now," but you just don't
take
> Delk's and Rogers' numbers and plug them into the lineup and say they
> automatically give you that many points. Now, could they have gotten
> something better with the #10 from last year and the #20+ this year along
> with Kenny and whatever? I don't know. I don't know that they could've
> gotten more for their draft picks and whomever last year. I don't know
what
> they tried to do last year and have no real info about what they tried to
do
> this year. All I know is that I'm not all that excited about adding these
> two players to "this" team right now. I don't think they help enough.
Maybe
> Johnson does suck and everybody around the league knows it. Does this
trade
> give them a better shot this year than no trade at all? I'm not convinced,
> but I could be and hope I'm wrong.
>
> Cook is the developmental "true" point
> > guard they should have taken instead of Forte. I hope Obie gives him a
> > chance (it won't be this season, obviously, but in the summer and next
> > season), but I worry that Omar won't be a good enough shooter for Obie's
> > liking. We'll see.
>
> Well, don't we already know the answer to that question? Maybe I'm jumping
> the gun but can't we safely say that he's not a good enough shooter for
> O'Brien's or anybody's taste for that matter? I mean, if they bring Omar
> Cook in and actually use him I'm guessing that Forte can't even hit an
open
> shot. Omar doesn't create well enough to make his non-shooting acceptable.
> Are you telling me that Forte is worse? Christ...I'm really getting more
and
> more depressed as I think about this. Fine...Van Exel gives you a pain in
> your ass and your wallet, he burdens you like a financial plague of
locusts
> for years. Yeah...he's a crackpot. Ok...so forget him. But what this team
> needs, aside from a non-high school center,  is someone who you can put
out
> on the floor every night and you can pretty much guarantee they'll be able
> to create for themselves and at least have the ability to create for
someone
> else. Right now...there's Walker and.....I'm assuming we all want Pierce
to
> shoot and create for himself as often as possible because that's what he
> does best, so I'm going with Walker and Walker. If you can't get a big
man,
> and can't get that point guard right now I understand. Don't trade. But if
> you do trade...this is about as mediocre and inconsequential for this
season
> as they get. But...once again....I could be all wrong.
>
> And Mark, I'm not trying to "mirror the Way" in all his absurdity this
> morning. That was yesterday and I've learned my lesson.  For the love of
> God, I'll never do that again. And if Way agrees with any of what I've
> written I have to kill my children in order to stop the spread of the
demon
> seed that's obviously inside me. I hope you're right and this trade gives
> them a better shot to go deeper into the playoffsor even "guarantees" them
a
> playoff spot. I'm just not sure.
>
> Paul M.