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RE: Re: interesting NBA notes
At 04:53 PM 7/10/01, Berry, Mark S wrote:
>Let's look at a possible scenario:
>Nazr tells the Hawks he isn't going to return and would like to sign with
>Boston for something around the mid-level exception figure. The Hawks
>believe they are a playoff contender and need a backup center to replace
>Nazr. So the teams work out a sign-and-trade involving Vitaly, who takes
>over Nazr's role as backup center in Atlanta. Granted, Atlanta downgrades in
>terms of talent, but they're getting something when Nazr could walk and
>leave them with nothing. The Celtics do the sign-and-trade because they want
>to get Nazr without adding significant salary. Two years from now, maybe
>Nazr and Paul Pierce get you Tim Duncan or Eddy Curry or Kwame Brown or some
>other stud center who is on the market. But for those two years, the Celtics
>have a better option at center than Vitaly/Battie/Blount.
I agree. I even suggested something like this last week, I think. As Kestas
stated very well, if this is possible (and the Celtics believe that it
would be an upgrade), I'd hope they would pursue it. But just because we
haven't seen it in the rumor pages doesn't mean we have something to be
angry or frustrated about. My guess is that it's just not a realistic
scenario. The Hawks probably know that we are too close to the luxury tax
and couldn't possibly sign Nazr to the exception (he'd want a multiyear
deal, surely). Nazr wouldn't have any leverage to force a trade here. And
who knows, Boston might not even be his first choice. Maybe he'd like to
play for a team that's even worse than us inside (New Jersey? Seattle?) at
the center position, where he's guaranteed 35 minutes per game even if he
doesn't play as well as he did last year.
On the other hand, maybe he threatens to go somewhere else instead, and
then when they are resigned to losing him, we jump in with Vitaly being the
best offer. It's not impossible. But let's see what happens before we vent.
>As for the comment about not taking a Haywood type because it takes two
>years to pan out... that's the kind of thinking that keeps you from landing
>a Jermaine O'Neal. If you can draft a center at No. 20 who in two years is a
>legit NBA starter, you've absolutely struck gold.
Well, that wasn't my point. We couldn't draft Haywood anyway because he was
taken before our pick at 21. I was advocating against taking him at #11
when we had other guys ahead of him for talent reasons. My point is that
you don't draft for need, especially when the guy is two years away from
giving you anything anyway and you'll be able to fill that need by a trade
by then, using the guy you drafted for quality instead. I'm advocating
patience; I don't care if a draft pick takes four years to develop, as long
as he improves the team eventually. If Haywood has a better NBA career than
Brown (or Johnson) then I'll credit you for wanting him before the draft
and curse Wallace's poor evaluation skills. But my point is that you
shouldn't take him if you don't believe that'll be the case, just to fill
that need.
>I just think we're close to that point when waiting for our three draft
>picks to improve and taking our chance with next year's lottery have ceased
>to be the best methods for improving this team. To take a real leap
>forward-like Toronto did-we need to add some bulk up front to complement the
>flash we've put together on the perimeter. Look at the rest of the
>East-Atlanta has passed the Celtics; Washington will if Jordan comes back;
>Detroit may have passed the Celts with Rodney White, Cliff Robinson and
>maybe Nazr Mohammed; New Jersey has made a huge improvement with Jason Kidd.
>The Celts did great in the draft, but it's the other areas where teams are
>passing the Celts by.
You seem to be saying, we need to make a move just to keep up with the
neighbors. Well, we should do what we can to improve, but let's not reach.
Let's not make a trade that's bad in the long term just because we're
impatient. Speaking of Jermaine O'Neal, Portland probably regrets trading
him because they needed to win now. We're nowhere near as close as Portland
was. Now they're talking about dismantling the team; a 22 year old center
sure would be a nice start.
So maybe we make a run at Nazr, or not. Let's see where he ends up and for
how much money, and how he plays next year, and then we can complain with
the benefit of hindsight instead of venting blindly with essentially no
information except speculation about the lack of a visit to Boston. Other
than that, I don't see what kind of opportunities we have to improve right
now. If one presents itself, believe me, I'm all for it. I'm not sold on
the Battie/Vitaly/Blount combo either.
I think what I'm advocating for the Celtics is pretty simple: make the
moves that improve your team the most in the long term (within budget
constraints given by the owner). The execution is the real trick, here. If
the Celtics feel that signing and trading for Nazr is possible and improves
the team in the long term, they should do it of course. I just don't think
Wallace has actually been too lazy or scared to look into that move; it's
either not feasible or he doesn't believe it'll improve the team in the
long run. We just don't know enough about which one is the case to
criticize our management. Maybe they could have had him but didn't want him
and he ends up being excellent; then I'll freely join in moaning about
their incompetence. Or maybe there was just no way they could get him.
Until we have a bit more info, any criticism is premature.
What I'm advocating against is this:
1. Stressing out about the lack of rumors about trades that may not even be
possible.
2. Drafting for need over talent.
3. Trading for the short term over the long term.
When you talk about drafting Haywood to fill our center spot, or about
needing to make a move now to stay ahead of our competitors, that strikes
me as the type of short-term focus that will ultimately hurt the Celtics --
which was Pitino's greatest fault as a GM. He overpaid for mediocre players
and pulled the trigger on bad trades because he was desperate to fill needs
as fast as possible. If we can truly improve by making a trade, let's do
it, and I hope that Wallace can find opportunities like that at some point.
But if they don't exist right now -- and my guess is they don't -- then
let's enjoy watching the team shoot for the playoffs, hope that both the
new talent and old talent develops well, and wait for realistic trades for
quality players later, and free agent acquisitions when the luxury tax is
not so threatening.
Alex