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RE: The answer on the Philly pick
I do not look at everything in the most optomistic light. You keep saying
that, but I thought that I made it clear that I am only commenting on the
Moiso trade. I see plenty of holes on the team but that doesn't mean that
every move they made was bad.
My point is this: The Moiso trade was a very good one and was not made
specifically for cash. You don't think that it was a good trade and that it
was made only for cash. You are entitled to your opinion, but in this case,
it is an incorrect one.
>From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
>To: 'Shawn Niles' <shizzjr@hotmail.com>, "Berry, Mark S"
><berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>, celtics@igtc.com
>Subject: RE: The answer on the Philly pick
>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:36:25 -0400
>
>I thought I made it clear that I only believed SOME of those statements and
>was throwing them out there for effect. I guess it wasn't clear enough.
>
>You see everything in the most optimistic light possible. Hey, I used to do
>the same thing. It would be great if everything the Celtics do turns out
>perfect. Doesn't happen. I'll guarantee that there are plenty of Hawks,
>Nets, Pacers and Pistons fans who believe their teams pushed all the right
>buttons this offseason and who sit there saying, "why should we worry about
>the Celtics?" It all has to do with perspective. And ours is thoroughly
>pro-Celtic. It's like Josh referring to Shareef's no-impact 20-10 numbers.
>As opposed to the huge impact Toine's numbers have had? Does Shareef have
>something to prove? Certainly, but doesn't Antoine?
>
>They're in the mix for the final playoff spot. That's all any of us want,
>isn't it? (Except Gene...)
>
>Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Shawn Niles [mailto:shizzjr@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:35 PM
>To: berrym@BATTELLE.ORG; celtics@igtc.com
>Subject: RE: The answer on the Philly pick
>
>You have never once heard me predict that the Celts will make the playoffs,
>that Kenny will be great, Walker/Pierce are all-stars, or anything else. I
>have only commented on the Moiso trade. I will say this though... Walker is
>NOT regressing as a player, and JJ will almost certainly give the C's more
>than the 9 points a game that Stith did. If you are doubting Pierce's
>abilities... then maybe there is nothing I can say that will get through to
>you.
>
>You say the Moiso trade did not help or hurt. You say he did not hurt by
>sitting on the bench. Maybe not, but why not try and get a player that does
>not have to be stuck to the bench? You say IF the C's do something with
>Mcleod's salary, IF they do something with Phillies draft pick... at least
>we have those IF's now. I see more chance of something good coming out of
>one of those options rather than getting something out of Moiso. You say
>the
>
>C's gave up on Jerome too early. Maybe you haven't seen him play. I stated
>before that Moiso makes Acie Earl look like Bill Russell. To me it is
>amazing that they were able to unload him for a shorter contract AND a
>draft
>
>pick. This is a trade that Red would have made.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> >To: 'Shawn Niles' <shizzjr@hotmail.com>, "Berry, Mark S"
> ><berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>, celtics@igtc.com
> >Subject: RE: The answer on the Philly pick
> >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:10:27 -0400
> >
> >Shawn, this trade does not create cap space. The Celtics have no hope of
> >creating cap space until Kenny (03) and Eric Williams (04) come off the
> >books. Chris Wallace claims it helps in regard to the luxury tax. Hard to
> >believe Moiso's relatively small salary makes much of a difference.
> >Besides,
> >the Celtics probably would be under the threshold even with Moiso on the
> >books (at least, according to my math). You want to get rid of Moiso...
>why
> >exactly? Granted, he wasn't helping the team, but was he hurting? He
>wasn't
> >playing enough to hurt the team. They said he was a project when they
> >drafted him, said from the beginning that he wouldn't help during his
> >rookie
> >season, and they give up on him already? Except for one unattributed
> >account
> >from bskball.com, we have no reason to believe Moiso was anything but a
> >nice, polite, albeit unmotivated kid. He wasn't having a negative effect
>on
> >the team. He's not a cancer. He's a 12th man. So why does it help to be
>rid
> >of him? Granted, it doesn't hurt, but why does it help? All I'm saying is
> >that if they don't turn McLeod's expiring contract into something else or
> >get REALLY lucky with the late Philly pick (that will be a three-year
> >guaranteed contract-how much you want to bet we see stories about the
> >Celtics hoping to unload that pick to avoid the three-year guaranteed
> >salary
> >that comes with it?), then we gave up on Moiso and gave him away for
> >nothing. You're right about one thing, though-this isn't Ruth for No No
> >Nannette and we've already wasted too much time talking about it. But I'm
> >just calling it like I see it.
> >
> >You go right on believing what you want... the Celtics will make the
> >playoffs, Walker and Pierce are all-stars, Joe Johnson is rookie of the
> >year, Joseph Forte is a point guard, Kenny Anderson is in shape, healthy
> >and
> >has a push-the-ball attitude, Milt Palacio is Eric Snow, every
>first-round
> >pick the Celtics make will be a future starter (except Jerome Moiso),
> >rebounding won't hurt the Celtics, you can win without a good center or
> >point guard, the draft will fall perfectly in the future so we can land
>our
> >center or point guard then, and the Heat and Knicks suck.
> >
> >The difference between us is that I believe some of those things are
>true,
> >but I also believe some of these things are true:
> >
> >The East is deeper than last year and other teams have improved more than
> >the Celts, Walker is regressing as a player, Pierce has to prove he can
>do
> >it for more than half a season, none of the rookies will exceed what
>Bryant
> >Stith gave the Celts, Stith's leadership will be missed, the Celtics
>still
> >don't have an NBA starter-quality center or point guard, the roster is
>too
> >loaded with 2-guards and small forwards, the Celtics will make mistakes
>in
> >the draft just like everyone does (and may have made one or more this
> >year),
> >rebounding will kill the Celtics, you need to be strong at center and/or
> >point guard to win big, and the Heat and Knicks still are better than the
> >Celtics.
> >
> >I won't tell you which I believe and which I don't, but let me say
>this...
> >I
> >believe the Celtics were the ninth-best team in the East last year and I
> >don't believe they're significantly better this year. I believe they'll
>be
> >in the mix for that final playoff spot again. I believe it will be a
> >dogfight with Indiana, Atlanta and New Jersey. I believe injuries will
>have
> >a lot to do with how that shakes out. Is that simple enough? Positive
> >enough? Too negative?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: Shawn Niles [mailto:shizzjr@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:43 AM
> >To: berrym@BATTELLE.ORG; celtics@igtc.com
> >Subject: Re: The answer on the Philly pick
> >
> >No Mark, it does much more than that. It gets rid of a useless basketball
> >player in Jerome Moiso. It clears up cap space because Moiso was on the
> >books for 2 more years while Mcleod is only on for one. Maybe Josh O. can
> >ask Wallace, but I am sure that the driving force behind this trade was
>not
> >cash. Chris Wallace has basically come out and said that this deal was
>made
> >to free up cap space after this year, not because he is counting on
>Mcleod
> >to become a superstar. Why can't you see this trade for what it is? It
> >really isn't that difficult to figure out. This is not trading Babe Ruth
>so
> >that No No Nannette can keep running.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> > >To: "'celtics@igtc.com'" <celtics@igtc.com>
> > >Subject: The answer on the Philly pick
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:56:15 -0400
> > >
> > >From the MSNBC piece by Shira Springer...
> > >
> > >"...The third component of the deal was a first-round pick available as
> > >early as 2003 and protected through the lottery until 2007. But it's
> > >virtually assumed that Philadelphia will not drop to the lottery in the
> > >forseeable future, so the pick in all likelihood automatically would
>fall
> > >to
> > >the Celtics in 2003. . . ."
> > >
> > >----end---
> > >
> > >This certainly seems to answer the question about the pick. Barring an
> > >Iverson car crash with Mutombo riding shotgun, it sounds like the Celts
> > >will
> > >automatically get the Sixers' pick this year. That figures to be
> >somewhere
> > >in the late 20s. Let's hope they use McLeod's expiring contract to work
> > >another deal; otherwise, this trade does nothing but pad the
>pocketbook.
> > >
> > >Mark
> >
> >
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