Re: Pitino as talent evaluator

["John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>]

Come on Josh, I have to call you on this one.  The Celtic pride is fogging
you vision.  Bowen is a one dimensional journeyman player, Griffin had a
good season but must follow up I will give them that one, and Blount could
be the next Eric Riley. Comparing these as the pluses to the Mills,
Massenberg, Billups, Knight, Battie, Williams post blown knee, Mccarty
contract, Fortson fiascos, and I am probably forgetting a few only proves my
point. if he didn't have a huge contract he would be long gone.

I question Walsh's logic in Indiana, as have some of his players like Reggie
Miller,  on the Davis deals and O'neal. But maybe he has given up on the
current for the future.


Pitino was brought here to attract talent but is batting zero in my books.
name me 1 top notch talent that has even considered the C's in the past 3
years ? yeah he has the salary cap to deal with, but so do Pat Riley & Jerry
West.



----- Original Message -----
From: "OzerskyJA" <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: Pitino as talent evaluator


> John Lyell wrote:  "Pitino & Wallace do not have a proven track record as
> far as talent evaluation."
>
> I think that Pitino and Wallace have an excellent record as far as
> evaluating talent.
> Obviously Billups was a mistake, but look at what Wallace (and Papile)
found
> with Bruce Bowen,
> Adrian Griffin, and now Mark Blount, and you can see why he has such
> leaguewide
> respect as a scout.  As for Pitino, remember when we chafed at the idea of
> trading
> Antoine for Dale Davis and either Jalen Rose or Austin Croshere?  That was
> before
> either of the latter two guys' breakout seasons.  Everyone thought that
> Pitino was a
> crackpot for offering two and half picks for Jermaine O'Neal, and then
> Donnie Walsh,
> who is one of the most experienced and highly-regarded GMs in the NBA,
> traded his
> best big man for him.  I guarantee that O'Neal turns out to be really
good.
> He may be
> a screwup who never performs up to potential, but I am sure that you won't
> be hearing
> any "he couldn't even get off the bench in Portland" type jabs.  Likewise,
> everybody
> mocked Pitino for trying to trade Battie for Rodney Rogers, whom Peter May
> dismissed
> as a "lazy slug," but the very next year he won the Sixth Man award.
> Moiso sure looks like
> the real deal to me, from what I've seen of him; and the Potapenko trade,
so
> often brought up
> to blast him ("we traded Andre Miller for a backup" etc. etc.) wasn't
about
> talent,
> but getting a legit big man to shut down the lane.  I would say that
> Pitino is probably about a good a judge of horseflesh as anyone.  That's
not
> to say that
> he's a great, or even a very good, GM; but as a talent-evaluator I don't
see
> how you can
> fault him.
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Lyell [SMTP:johnlyell@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 2:02 PM
> > To: Jim Meninno; celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: Pack/Cheaney for Herren/Stith?
> >
> > Stith definitely is on the down side, but was a decent player in his
> > youth. Your logic makes sense. If it is true hopefully his evaluation of
> > Herren is correct, unlike his history with Mills, Knight, Mccarty,
> > Williams, Battie, Cheaney, etc.
> >
> >
> > Pitino & Wallace do not have a proven track record as far as talent
> > evaluation.  Howard Eisley would have been a nice fit.
> >
> > I would take a chance at Pepe Sanchez apprenticing under an Anderson or
> > Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Meninno <mailto:Jim_Meninno@hotmail.com>
> > To: celtics@igtc.com <mailto:celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pack/Cheaney for Herren/Stith?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Lyell <mailto:johnlyell@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I am not sure I like this one. Hasn't Stith had a lot of
> > injury problems (as if Pack hasn't) and Herren is an unproven commodity.
> >
> >
> > I don't remember much about seeing either of these guys play but,
> > judging from his statistics, Stith seems to be on a downward slide in
his
> > career not very different from the one Cheaney is on.  There could only
be
> > two reasons for making this trade.  First could be that Stith's contract
> > expires after this year (if the reports are true that he has two years
> > left I would doubt the trade happens).  In effect, that would get them
out
> > of the "Calbert Cheaney mistake" a year earlier.  Second could be that
> > Pitino would rather have Herren, who has potential to improve to a
useful
> > NBA point guard, rather than Pack, who has talent but is aging and
almost
> > never healthy.
> >
> > If it were up to me I would do it for reason two.  I.e., if I had
> > seen enough of Herren to believe that he had a promising future as an
NBA
> > point guard, I'd make the trade.  If it was just for reason one, to get
> > rid of Cal, I wouldn't do it.  Cheaney's not the worst guy to have on
the
> > end of your bench.  When he was signed last year, he was probably seen
as
> > being the fifth starter and Griffin as the spot player.  Then Adrian
came
> > in and earned the starting job by working his ass off in pre-season and
> > winning some early games with amazing clutch defensive plays.  Right
now,
> > I'd say that Griffin, Cheaney, Williams and McCarty are going to fight
for
> > one starting position.  I don't think Stith would be in that mix if the
> > trade happened.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>