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Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #183
>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Thursday, May 4 2000 Volume 07 : Number 183
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Duncan
> Celtics Plan To Draft Tsakalidis
> RE: Duncan
> RE: Duncan
> two guys
> Pitino Mulled Plans To Sue Boston Newscaster
> Iakovos Tsakalidis
> Hi everyone.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:20:11 -0400
> From: Jim Hill <jahill@leasingservice.com>
> Subject: Re: Duncan
>
> Don't get all revved up over Duncan, he's not coming here to Boston. IMHO.
> He has said it before that he doesn't want to play here for some reason.
> (Can you imagine Russell working with him though?)
>
> There are many other teams that can offer a lot more then Walker and
Pierce
> and still have a team left for Duncan to play with and the money to get
> more.
> The Blazers come to mind, the Mav's, Heat, NJ all can be players in a sign
> and trade.
>
> Just thank goodness the Clippers have such a loser for an owner, if Cuban
> had bought them instead of the Mav's it would be an LA vs LA semi to
decide
> the eventual winner for the next 10 years. I have to believe that the NBA
> would like to see Duncan in the East Conf. though.
>
> The Duncan sweepstakes changes if Bird buy's the Celtic's though, again
> IMHO. <Jim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:07:42 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Celtics Plan To Draft Tsakalidis
>
> For BSG: Here's the link:
>
> http://www.telebasket.com/news.asp?id_art=18294
>
> And says he's a free agent after the season....
>
> 08:12 - May 3, 2000
> Tsakalidis: I'm a free agent! - Στα Ελληνικά
>
> ATHENS - Just a few hours before the first semifinal of Greek play-offs
> between Panathinaikos and AEK, National team center of AEK Iakovos
> Tsakalidis said in an interview that "after the end of this season i'll
> be a free agent and i'll maybe try the NBA". Tsakalidis for whom are
> interesting more than 10 NBA team and most of all Boston Celtics who are
> planing to make "Tsak" a draft pick next June, added that "my contract
> finishes at the end of the season and i'm planing to participate at the
> NBA draft camp. Of course i'll discuss with AEK before doing anything".
> Representative of Tsakalidis Agent's Office mr.Steve Kostalas quoted
> that "Tsakalidis' contract finishes this summer but AEK has the option
> to extent it for one or more years" and AEK's vice-president mr.Yannis
> Granitsas said that "we care nothing but the play-off games against
> Panathinaikos and not other stories..."
> by Yannis Psarakis
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:08:44 -0700
> From: "Michael Griffin" <mgriffin@rillc.com>
> Subject: RE: Duncan
>
> I agree - chances of Duncan coming here are about as good as Bird coming
out
> of retirement to play. Same probably goes with Bird buying the Celtics
only
> because the Celtics probably have a rediculous price tag.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-celtics@igtc.com [mailto:owner-celtics@igtc.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jim Hill
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 10:20 AM
> > To: Celtics-Talk List
> > Subject: Re: Duncan
> >
> >
> > Don't get all revved up over Duncan, he's not coming here to Boston.
IMHO.
> > He has said it before that he doesn't want to play here for some reason.
> > (Can you imagine Russell working with him though?)
> >
> > There are many other teams that can offer a lot more then Walker
> > and Pierce
> > and still have a team left for Duncan to play with and the money to get
> > more.
> > The Blazers come to mind, the Mav's, Heat, NJ all can be players in a
sign
> > and trade.
> >
> > Just thank goodness the Clippers have such a loser for an owner, if
Cuban
> > had bought them instead of the Mav's it would be an LA vs LA semi
> > to decide
> > the eventual winner for the next 10 years. I have to believe that the
NBA
> > would like to see Duncan in the East Conf. though.
> >
> > The Duncan sweepstakes changes if Bird buy's the Celtic's though, again
> > IMHO. <Jim
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:08:00 -0400
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Duncan
>
> This team and franchise may be losing some of it's value because of
eroding
> seasons after season. Does anyone know what this team is worth on the
> market? Did the season sell well? Seems to me the infrastructure is in
> poor shape from bottom to top. Can't sell memories.
>
>
> At 01:08 PM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >I agree - chances of Duncan coming here are about as good as Bird coming
out
> >of retirement to play. Same probably goes with Bird buying the Celtics
only
> >because the Celtics probably have a rediculous price tag.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-celtics@igtc.com [mailto:owner-celtics@igtc.com]On Behalf
Of
> >> Jim Hill
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 10:20 AM
> >> To: Celtics-Talk List
> >> Subject: Re: Duncan
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't get all revved up over Duncan, he's not coming here to Boston.
IMHO.
> >> He has said it before that he doesn't want to play here for some
reason.
> >> (Can you imagine Russell working with him though?)
> >>
> >> There are many other teams that can offer a lot more then Walker
> >> and Pierce
> >> and still have a team left for Duncan to play with and the money to get
> >> more.
> >> The Blazers come to mind, the Mav's, Heat, NJ all can be players in a
sign
> >> and trade.
> >>
> >> Just thank goodness the Clippers have such a loser for an owner, if
Cuban
> >> had bought them instead of the Mav's it would be an LA vs LA semi
> >> to decide
> >> the eventual winner for the next 10 years. I have to believe that the
NBA
> >> would like to see Duncan in the East Conf. though.
> >>
> >> The Duncan sweepstakes changes if Bird buy's the Celtic's though, again
> >> IMHO. <Jim
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 19:03:38 -0600
> From: "Gene Kirkpatrick" <gkir@tjc.tyler.cc.tx.us>
> Subject: two guys
>
> As I remember, Coach Pitino was interested in Rodney Rogers last year
> and some said Tony Delk, too. Well. Could they have helped us or
> not! Who you might want and who's available--sigh, it's the story of
> life.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:25:35 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Pitino Mulled Plans To Sue Boston Newscaster
>
> A lesson in ethics keeps me in
> line
>
> Ken Ford
>
> Last week my faith in what journalism is supposed to be
> all about was
> renewed, and it came at my expense.
>
> Here's the story ...
>
> I submit my column and never am I asked what I'm going to
> write about.
> Also, never, ever am I told what to write about. The next
> day, what I
> submit, you read. The only exception is when I'm
> particularly
> long-winded. Then, the column is edited according to the
> space
> available.
>
> Several years ago, when I started this "gig," I assured
> sports editor
> Mike Silva that whenever I put something in using the
> term "my sources
> tell me" that he could print it because I would never
> jeopardize the
> paper or him and we shook hands on it and the trust was
> formed and
> it's resulted in a pretty good marriage.
>
> Silva, knowing that I'm hooked into the sports
> information highway, ran
> with everything I have submitted, trusting that I would
> keep my end of
> the bargain.
>
> Then came a snippet regarding two Boston athletes that I
> submitted
> several weeks ago. When it did not appear the next day, I
> shrugged it
> off thinking that the space was not available. I didn't
> call Mike and he
> didn't call me. I figured I would re-submit this tasty
> morsel of scoop,
> which brings us to last week when Silva went out of his
> way to pick up
> my column.
>
> It's a weekly 10-minute visit where we just shoot the
> breeze and Mike
> trudges off to the Herald News to start another day of
> what I consider to
> be a thankless job. My editor seemed a little uneasy as
> he mentioned
> that he did not print what I had written. He said that,
> naturally, his main
> concern was for the paper, but he was also worried about
> my credibility
> and also the fact that the manner in which I craftily
> wrote it would be
> perceived by you readers as a "tease."
>
> What Mike was trying to say, but didn't, was that he felt
> it was reckless
> journalism and he was right, because while I indeed did
> have one very
> good source on the tidbit, I clearly did not do my
> homework and
> research it a little more. I think that Mike was uneasy
> because he felt I
> might be upset because of the trust we had formed. He was
> wrong,
> because in reality what he had done was give me a lesson
> in journalism
> ethics 101.
>
> This business of reporting is at an all-time low,
> reaching the depths of
> the Hard Copy, Inside Edition, internet lies that rule
> society. Last year
> on the internet a story appeared about Drew Bledsoe
> having a fling
> with a girl friend during the Patriots' bye week. The
> Boston papers and
> talk radio picked it up and ran with it and Bledsoe went
> bonkers, as well
> he should, because it never happened.
>
> For the better part of the last month of the hockey
> season it was wildly
> printed that Pat Burns would be fired after the season.
> The writers used
> terms like, "sources," "people close to the
> organization," etc. On the
> edition WBZ TV's Sports Final that aired on the Sunday
> night of the last
> hockey game, Bob Lobell had three guest panelists from
> the media who
> assured the audience that Burns would be fired within
> days.
>
> They all said they had "sources," the usual cop-out for
> shabby
> reporting. Several weeks before the NBA season ended, a
> reporter
> from Channel 7 went on the air and declared that
> according to
> "sources," Rick Pitino would be taking the head coaching
> job at either
> Kentucky or North Carolina, despite Pitino's calling the
> report a lie.
>
> \ Channel 7 sports director Gene Lavanchy came on the
> next night and
> said that not only was the station sticking to its story,
> he boldly threw
> UNLV into the mix.
>
> Mean Gene then went on Boston Radio and stood by the
> story, which
> incensed Pitino so much that for the first time in his
> life he considered a
> lawsuit. Howard Manly of the Boston Globe took Lavanchy
> to task for
> shoddy reporting and the thing got very ugly, with media
> types actually
> attacking each other.
>
> Lavanchy called Pitino, but he was told that the coach
> would not talk to
> him until his lawyer reviewed the television and radio
> tapes of
> Lavanchy's assertions. Pitino did call Lavanchy back and
> told him that
> he was very disturbed at the outright lies that
> Lavanchy's station was
> reporting. The funny part of the whole thing is that
> Pitino didn't even
> know what Lavanchy looked like because not only does he
> not read the
> Boston papers, he also does not watch Boston sports
> programs, and
> that's the truth.
>
> Pitino decided to take the high road and not go after
> Lavanchy, but he
> did say at a press conference that the flat-out lies
> being reported by
> Lavanchy and others should and must stop, and he's right.
> The
> problem is that it won't because all over America, this
> type of reckless
> reporting has become the norm rather than the exception.
> The war
> between the print and electronic media to get a story at
> any cost has
> escalated to unimaginable proportions.
>
> In newsrooms in Anytown, USA, editors are under the gun
> to beat the
> opposition; ditto the television and radio stations. The
> new credo
> seems to be, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a
> good story." Where
> does that leave you, the reader, viewer and listener? No
> one seems to
> care, which brings me back to that handshake I had with
> the Herald
> News sports editor Mike Silva. It was based on trust.
>
> What it boils down to is that when a columnist such as
> myself writes an
> opinion column, I'm safe because it's my opinion, but
> when I start giving
> out snippets where from time to time I use the term
> "according to
> sources," there must be a moral and ethical
> responsibility on my part to
> make sure it's accurate. And if by chance what I write
> appears to be a
> "tease," then you the reader must be protected from
> reading it and I as
> the writer must be protected and not allowed to put
> reckless statements
> into print.
>
> That's where Silva steps in with a resounding voice
> similar to Perry
> White's yell of "Stop the presses." Sadly, there aren't
> too many Silvas in
> this business, and while my snippet was sourced, it was
> too
> controversial, too mean-spirited and not factual enough
> to allow it to be
> digested by you, the reader.
>
> All I can say is you are very, very fortunate to have a
> guy from the "old
> school" looking out and making sure that you are indeed
> reading the
> sports section of the Herald News and not the National
> Enquirer.
>
> ***
>
> Doc Rivers was named coach of the year in the NBA and
> deservedly
> so, however, if I had a vote I would have made it a tie
> between "Doc"
> and Phil Jackson.
>
>
> If James Naismith were alive he would take his peach
> basket and go
> home rather than watch the Knicks play Miami.
>
>
> Ken Ford, alias Jersey Red, writes a weekly column for
> The Herald
> News.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:48:52 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Iakovos Tsakalidis
>
> The telebasket.com site also offers a scouting report on the 7-2
> Greek starting center for AEK, which won the Greek and Saporta cups
> (whatever they are) this season and are now in a semifinal league
> playoff battle with the newly crowned 2000 Euro champions, Panathinaikos
> (I think Dino and Dominique both played there). I found several articles
> at Telebasket reporting Boston's intention to draft Tsak, but I found no
> basis (at least from these articles) to make that claim sound credible.
>
> As for stats, Tsakalidis shot 59.3% on FGs but a bit worse than
> that on FTs. In 25 mpg he averaged 9.2ppg and 7.0rpg, including 2.6
> offensive boards. I couldn't find stats on blocks per game or his
> playing weight, both of which would be useful to know. There is some
> dispute about his age (either 21 or 23), which is a big issue
> considering his poor fundamentals from the line and in passing the ball
> (a weak .6 assists per game and an even more unsightly one assist for
> every three turnovers).
>
> On the one hand, 7-2 will always be 7-2 (or 218 cm if you prefer).
> On the other hand, Frederick "Edel" Weis was also 7-2. Plus with a
> clumsy nickname like "Tsak" you have to ask yourself "will Boston's
> answer to Shaq be Tsak!?"
>
> I'm sure Boston will do a good job of scouting Tsak (like they did
> with Ben Pepper <g>) but I'd hate for the Celts to spend a critical
> draft choice strictly out of need on the next "Edelweis" type player,
> considering that highschool players like Kobe Bryant have in the past
> lasted past the 11th pick and this is potentially a very good draft for
> prepsters. I do get the general impression that Chris Wallace is
> following the highschool angle closely and I would be happy if the Celts
> could land the McDonald's game sensation Darius Miles or the equally
> athletic Gerald Wallace.
>
> Although I have not lost faith in Griffin (he led the team in
> rebounds for half the freaking season before he got hurt, in addition to
> being our most effective passer), I do think we need more scoring from
> that position than Griffin, Cheaney and Waltah can regularly provide.
> When your starting forwards (Cheaney/Griffin) are 6-5 and don't score
> much, you have to regard it as a need position.
>
> Anyway, here is the Telebasket scouting report on Tsakalidis:
>
> Iakovos Tsakalidis
> Year of Birth: 1979
> Height ft: 7' 2"
>
> Georgian with a Greek citizenship, also known as Tsakalov. Started
> playing in Greece, with AEK Athens, in 1996-97. Has always played with
> AEK since.
>
> Has great size, and a superb body structure. Big, strong, with long arms
> and big hands. Runs the floor and has good mobility for a man of that
> size.
>
> An inside player with not so much range. Big, can post up and keep his
> position, and has some back-to-the-basket moves, such as a jump hook.
> Does not have a high post game yet. Excellent offensive rebounder.
>
> An intimidator in the paint. At that size, and with that strength, he
> rebounds well and blocks shots. Keeps his position, he's hard to move.
> Still unexperienced, is foul prone and can be outplayed by smarter
> players.
>
> Definitely one of the biggest prospects in Europe. Even if some says he
> was actually born in 1977, no question this guy has a big future in
> basketball. Few players have such a presence in the paint, probably non
> of his age. He's going to be a European Top Level star, or he's going to
> the NBA.
>
> ****
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:47:46 -0700
> From: "Diane Balcar" <diane@1st.net>
> Subject: Hi everyone.
>
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