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RE: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #285 -- The Duck and Westphal
This older guy seems to recall that the Duck went to the ABA for money and
then hurt a knee while Westphal was mysteriously traded for Charley Scott,
who was not exactly a prototype Celtic-- although he did well for us.
We assumed at the time that Westphal wanted the ball too much and drove to
the hoop so often that he did not get back on D. I don't remember either
the media or the Celtics explaining the deal properly but a championship
quickly followed and it never became a public issue.
Buddy Chew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com [SMTP:Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:47 PM
> To: Celtics-Digest@igtc.com
> Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #285
>
>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Friday, July 21 2000 Volume 07 : Number 285
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Pitino Knocks Toine, And Wasn't He Suppose To Be Recruiting Free
> Agents?
> Re: Pierce at Fila summer pro league
> Re: Pierce at Fila summer pro league
> Nothing Important
> Re: Nothing Important
> RE: Nothing Important
> Re: Nothing Important
> CM Newton wants C's to get Mercer
> RE: Nothing Important
> Globe: Pitino to Speak with Wahad
> Cross Davis off the List
> Re: Nothing Important
> Duck
> warriors payroll
> Re: Nothing Important
> celts payroll
> adds up to...
> Re: Cross Davis off the List
> Re: Duck
> BSG: C's After Mercer and Toine Stays as Part of the Deal
> if Mercer sings and......
> The "Duck"
> Celtics stats for Boston - Philadelpha game on 7/20
> BskBall on Fortson to Warriors
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:22:23 +1000
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Pitino Knocks Toine, And Wasn't He Suppose To Be Recruiting
> Free Agents?
>
> Answer to the topic; Hes looking for the next 6'10 225 limited-range of
> skills Celtics draftees.
>
> W
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:48:19 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Re: Pierce at Fila summer pro league
>
> Pierce sounds a bit different from last off-season, when he won much
> praise
> as the "Anti-Toine". I hope Pierce gets serious about defense and
> conditioning
> well before training camp starts. I doubt a Vince Carter would even show
> up at
> any Summer game out of shape. Guys like that have too much pride in their
> reputations.
>
> I don't want to make a big deal out of it though, since it is still
> mid-July. Hopefully 2000-01 can be Pierce's first All Star season, and
> Antoine's second.
>
> BTW, I'm thrilled to hear Mark Blount is 250 pounds. He sounds like a
> big
> upgrade over Pervis Ellison or Eric Riley.
>
> Pitino seems to have added two athletic big men to the roster, which
> isn't
> bad considering the draft position. Now Boston can focus on adding a
> backup
> guard with the 2.25 slot, which generally should be easier to do than
> finding a
> big forward or center.
>
> My one remaining wish is that the Celtics can discover a deadly
> perimeter
> shooter this summer. I doubt Sesar will come in and win a roster spot in
> training camp. Everyone else on the Shaw roster sounds more like a slasher
> than
> a shooter. Cheaney wasn't half the midrange shooter we hoped he could be,
> and
> that's also Griffin's biggest weakness. Anyway, thanks Art for that report
> on
> Pierce.
>
> - ---------
> Art Silva wrote:
>
> > I went to watch some summer league games on Monday and to my surprise I
> > caught a game between a team called the NBA pros and the Golden State
> > Warriors entry. Paul was playing for the NBA Pros team. I would say
> overall
> > he didn't look too good. But he was still the best player out there.
> First
> > off he showed up late. It was either at the end of the first or early in
> the
> > second when I first saw him stretching out by the bench. The coach put
> him
> > in not too long after and he never left the game. His game was way
> rusty.
> > The jumper wasn't there but he managed to score 21 or 23 mostly from the
> > line. Although he did have a few nice assists on fast breaks. His team
> was
> > getting pounded inside by Rick Hughes and was down by 10 or 12 for the
> first
> > part of the game. But once he got in the lead eroded little by little.
> The
> > pros eventually won. He looked very winded down the stretch and too me
> he
> > looked like he's been hitting King Taco a little too much. The warriors
> > tried just about everybody on their team to stop him but nobody really
> > could. They tried Mark Davis and Schea Cotton mostly. Rick Hughes gave
> it a
> > shot as did Bill Curley. Curley did his best to get under Pierce's skin
> and
> > did manage to evoke double technicals by the officials for the two of
> them.
> > Defensively he displayed his old bad habits. He cheated off of his man
> only
> > to have him get the rebound for and easy put back more than a few times.
> But
> > he did hold his own off the boards. Hopefully I can get down to the
> pyramid
> > again and see him play again before the end of the games. If I do I'll
> send
> > in another report.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:41:42 -0700
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pierce at Fila summer pro league
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> To: Art Silva <art3@ix.netcom.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Pierce at Fila summer pro league
>
>
> > Pierce sounds a bit different from last off-season, when he won much
> praise
> > as the "Anti-Toine". I hope Pierce gets serious about defense and
> conditioning
> > well before training camp starts. I doubt a Vince Carter would even show
> up at
> > any Summer game out of shape. Guys like that have too much pride in
> their
> > reputations.
> >
>
> Yeah Vince is busy savoring his reputation.....so is Puma. It's nothing
> that a few of Vince's millions won't take care of.
>
> Cecil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amy Beauregard <amyeb88@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Nothing Important
>
> "The worst part of any coaching death knell are the
> flailing, desperado maneuvers just as the curtain
> drops. Spintino apparently has the owner's green light
> and millions of dollars in guaranteed benefit of the
> doubt from "Thanks Dad" Gaston to aggressively dump
> expensive base-year talent for some instantly
> fan-friendly types like Croshere. Even if it might
> just be thoroughly counterproductive to the success"
> - -- You would think they would have learned their
> lesson X-man, 'Nique, Barros, etc about trying to fill
> the seats and please the fans then get the best
> players available. Speaking of which, I was at Shaw's
> last night and was thinking that all these players
> Wallace is watching (in between hot dogs) hoping to
> find a diamond in the rough and yet he knows of
> someone (Mercer) who already knows the system
> (whichever one it might be this season), the coach and
> can be depended upon to produce 12-15 ppg. Let's not
> forget the small money. Seems like a lock to me
>
> "Losing Fortson doesn't bother me so much because the
> interior defense was pretty hopeless with him here."
> - -- Agreed, but now who is going to rebound. I still
> like Forty but would die if he was signed for $42 mil.
> Capologists, please explain. If even he was
> signed-and-traded, then we still have to take all (or
> most) of that figure back. Doesn't that cripple us
> more? We'd probably have to take another stiff too.
> Isn't it better to just let him walk? Forget about
> saving face at this point. Hey, if we get Mercer back
> for an exception, it's all a wash pretty much (EW
> will just earn the difference to what Mercer WOULD
> have signed for last year).
>
> I don't know how much Blount weighs, but he is
> muscular. He made the top page of the herald (which
> they were handing out). Saw the Duck...the only guy to
> play with Russ and Larry (trivial pursuit)
>
> __________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:33:44 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Re: Nothing Important
>
> Amy Beauregard wrote:
>
> > "Losing Fortson doesn't bother me so much because the
> > interior defense was pretty hopeless with him here."
> > -- Agreed, but now who is going to rebound. I still
> > like Forty but would die if he was signed for $42 mil.
> > Capologists, please explain. If even he was
> > signed-and-traded, then we still have to take all (or
> > most) of that figure back. Doesn't that cripple us
> > more? We'd probably have to take another stiff too.
> > Isn't it better to just let him walk? Forget about
> > saving face at this point.
>
> You bring up a fascinating point. I assumed that bidding up
> Fortson's value to $42 million dollars was a pure defensive play to ward
> off a hostile takeover, so to speak. If that's the general idea, it
> could backfire awkwardly on Pitino if Fortson actually smiles and
> accepts the money to be our fourth string power forward in the new/old
> Pitino system (behind Toine, Battie and Moi-say-it-ain't-so). But I
> actually think he would rather go play somewhere for less money. It
> really sounds like he wants to play in the right system.
>
> Before we dump Fortson I'd like to see him in one more camp, rather
> than playing catchup midseason off a broken leg and thrown into a second
> unit press and a complicated system. Plus you have to factor in the
> dylexia. It somehow doesn't seem like a fair evaluation. Pitino raved
> about Fortson's first two exhibition games in Boston before the injury.
>
> Have you noticed the relatively large number of suitors Fortson has
> from playoff caliber clubs? His name seems to be in every other trade
> rumor. Who's stupid, them or us?
>
> What would happen if Fortson played alongside a shotblocker (Moiso
> or Blount or Battie) in the second unit? Or in the first unit with one
> of those guys rather than Potapenko?
>
> Last season, Fortson was the only Celtic to hit more than half his
> FG attempts (.528). The rest of the team was pathetic, outshot .444 to
> .470 by opponents.
>
> Fortson led Boston in offensive rebounds per game (2.6) despite only
> 15.6 minutes of playing time. This was the Celtics one strong suit and
> something I hope they can build on. They actually outrebounded teams on
> the offensive boards by 3.0 per game, which is a significant margin.
>
> Despite his limited minutes, fans practically make Fortson out to be
> the scapegoat/symbol for the total failure of the Pitino defensive
> system. I can't help thinking, gimmeabahrake! We're dumping the wrong
> guy. Van Gundy, Rivers, West, Cowens and the rest assume that Fortson is
> a good asset to have on your team roster. Why? Because he plays hard, he
> is totally unselfish on the court, his offensive technique and
> freethrows are rare in this day and age, he continues to be incredibly
> productive by any standard of measurement on the boards, plus he is
> 24-years-old and built solid.
>
> - --------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:39:19 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: RE: Nothing Important
>
> Amy, who's the duck?
>
> Titbit found on message board: supposedly some sports
> weekly is going to break the story next week of (get this)
> the T-Wolves trading us Terell Brandon for a top-five
> protected pick next year. It sounds ludicrous, but since
> Brandon makes $10 million a year, you can kind of see
> how they wouldn't be able to get value for him. Of course,
> we would have to rid ourselves of Kenny, and there is the
> question of whether Bird rights are included....etc. etc. More
> internet crap, no doubt.
>
>
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Amy Beauregard [SMTP:amyeb88@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 8:32 AM
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Nothing Important
> >
> > "The worst part of any coaching death knell are the
> > flailing, desperado maneuvers just as the curtain
> > drops. Spintino apparently has the owner's green light
> > and millions of dollars in guaranteed benefit of the
> > doubt from "Thanks Dad" Gaston to aggressively dump
> > expensive base-year talent for some instantly
> > fan-friendly types like Croshere. Even if it might
> > just be thoroughly counterproductive to the success"
> > -- You would think they would have learned their
> > lesson X-man, 'Nique, Barros, etc about trying to fill
> > the seats and please the fans then get the best
> > players available. Speaking of which, I was at Shaw's
> > last night and was thinking that all these players
> > Wallace is watching (in between hot dogs) hoping to
> > find a diamond in the rough and yet he knows of
> > someone (Mercer) who already knows the system
> > (whichever one it might be this season), the coach and
> > can be depended upon to produce 12-15 ppg. Let's not
> > forget the small money. Seems like a lock to me
> >
> > "Losing Fortson doesn't bother me so much because the
> > interior defense was pretty hopeless with him here."
> > -- Agreed, but now who is going to rebound. I still
> > like Forty but would die if he was signed for $42 mil.
> > Capologists, please explain. If even he was
> > signed-and-traded, then we still have to take all (or
> > most) of that figure back. Doesn't that cripple us
> > more? We'd probably have to take another stiff too.
> > Isn't it better to just let him walk? Forget about
> > saving face at this point. Hey, if we get Mercer back
> > for an exception, it's all a wash pretty much (EW
> > will just earn the difference to what Mercer WOULD
> > have signed for last year).
> >
> > I don't know how much Blount weighs, but he is
> > muscular. He made the top page of the herald (which
> > they were handing out). Saw the Duck...the only guy to
> > play with Russ and Larry (trivial pursuit)
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> > http://mail.yahoo.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:57:15 -0700
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> Subject: Re: Nothing Important
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> To: 'Amy Beauregard' <amyeb88@yahoo.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 6:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Nothing Important
>
>
> > Amy, who's the duck?
> >
>
> I would say none other than Don (the Duck) Chaney!
>
> Cecil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:12:24 -0400
> From: "Josh Farber" <nbaj2k@home.com>
> Subject: CM Newton wants C's to get Mercer
>
> I want him back too, just not for the big bucks.
>
> Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> NY Post Reports:
> Rick Pitino, following a golfing session with Hawks free agent Bimbo
> Coles,
> went out of town yesterday to visit former Wildcat/Celtic pupil Ron
> Mercer.
> "I'd like to see us get him back," said C.M. Newton, former Kentucky AD
> and
> now a Celtic consultant. "I think his experience of being traded a few
> times
> over the last couple years have humbled him. He'll be less selfish with
> the
> next team he plays with. We're one player away from becoming a playoff
> team.
> I'm not saying he's that player, but we can definitely use his outside
> shooting and athletic skills."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:11:53 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: RE: Nothing Important
>
> Fortson is apparently wanted desperately by Golden State. Since
> they can only offer him the exception, a deal could easily go down.
> I wonder who we are looking at on their roster? Amazing what
> you don't hear -- we were going to end up with Robert Traylor out
> of that Jason Caffey threeway a few months ago, but it got screwed
> up. I think we'll still end up with something of value for Danny....
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Hironaka [SMTP:j.hironaka@unesco.org]
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:34 AM
> > To: Amy Beauregard; celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: Nothing Important
> >
> > Amy Beauregard wrote:
> >
> > > "Losing Fortson doesn't bother me so much because the
> > > interior defense was pretty hopeless with him here."
> > > -- Agreed, but now who is going to rebound. I still
> > > like Forty but would die if he was signed for $42 mil.
> > > Capologists, please explain. If even he was
> > > signed-and-traded, then we still have to take all (or
> > > most) of that figure back. Doesn't that cripple us
> > > more? We'd probably have to take another stiff too.
> > > Isn't it better to just let him walk? Forget about
> > > saving face at this point.
> >
> > You bring up a fascinating point. I assumed that bidding up
> > Fortson's value to $42 million dollars was a pure defensive play to ward
> > off a hostile takeover, so to speak. If that's the general idea, it
> > could backfire awkwardly on Pitino if Fortson actually smiles and
> > accepts the money to be our fourth string power forward in the new/old
> > Pitino system (behind Toine, Battie and Moi-say-it-ain't-so). But I
> > actually think he would rather go play somewhere for less money. It
> > really sounds like he wants to play in the right system.
> >
> > Before we dump Fortson I'd like to see him in one more camp, rather
> > than playing catchup midseason off a broken leg and thrown into a second
> > unit press and a complicated system. Plus you have to factor in the
> > dylexia. It somehow doesn't seem like a fair evaluation. Pitino raved
> > about Fortson's first two exhibition games in Boston before the injury.
> >
> > Have you noticed the relatively large number of suitors Fortson has
> > from playoff caliber clubs? His name seems to be in every other trade
> > rumor. Who's stupid, them or us?
> >
> > What would happen if Fortson played alongside a shotblocker (Moiso
> > or Blount or Battie) in the second unit? Or in the first unit with one
> > of those guys rather than Potapenko?
> >
> > Last season, Fortson was the only Celtic to hit more than half his
> > FG attempts (.528). The rest of the team was pathetic, outshot .444 to
> > .470 by opponents.
> >
> > Fortson led Boston in offensive rebounds per game (2.6) despite only
> > 15.6 minutes of playing time. This was the Celtics one strong suit and
> > something I hope they can build on. They actually outrebounded teams on
> > the offensive boards by 3.0 per game, which is a significant margin.
> >
> > Despite his limited minutes, fans practically make Fortson out to be
> > the scapegoat/symbol for the total failure of the Pitino defensive
> > system. I can't help thinking, gimmeabahrake! We're dumping the wrong
> > guy. Van Gundy, Rivers, West, Cowens and the rest assume that Fortson is
> > a good asset to have on your team roster. Why? Because he plays hard, he
> > is totally unselfish on the court, his offensive technique and
> > freethrows are rare in this day and age, he continues to be incredibly
> > productive by any standard of measurement on the boards, plus he is
> > 24-years-old and built solid.
> >
> > --------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:21:35 -0400
> From: "Josh Farber" <nbaj2k@home.com>
> Subject: Globe: Pitino to Speak with Wahad
>
> A few days ago, wasn't Wahad all but signed with the Nuggets? Personally,
> I
> would rather have him then Mercer due to his defensive and team play
> skills.
> Then again, if Mercer can be a team player and a good defender for us, I'd
> rather have him.
>
> Here's a real quick quote from the NY Post about Wahad before I get to the
> Globe article.
>
> >>>Tariq Abdul-Wahad, offered $35M by the Nuggets, is expected to reject
> the
> offer. The Nets, Celtics and Raptors are expressing sincere interest in
> his
> defensive services and exemplary, role-playing reputation <<<<
> Hopefully that means we still have a shot.
>
> Now here's the article
>
> Josh
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> CELTICS NOTEBOOK
> He's next on schedule
> Pitino hopes to meet soon with Abdul-Wahad
> By Peter May, Globe Staff, 7/21/2000
> The Celtics' recruiting program goes back into gear this weekend. Team
> president/head coach Rick Pitino is hoping for a meeting with Tariq
> Abdul-Wahad, the free agent guard of the Denver Nuggets.
> While the Celtics still dream of snagging Austin Croshere, the team has
> yet
> to contact the Pacers about any sign-and-trade deal. Neither has anyone
> else
> and that will probably be the case until there's a number that everyone
> can
> use as a starting point.
> Indiana general manager David Kahn said yesterday that any team hoping to
> snag Croshere via a sign-and-trade deal is wasting brain matter.
> ''We don't want to trade him and I don't think we will. We want to sign
> him
> and keep him here,'' Kahn said. He added that three teams Croshere has
> visited - Boston, Atlanta, and Houston - all are over the cap and, thus,
> would make a deal even harder because of the dreaded base-year
> compensation.
> ''But we want the guy back,'' Kahn said.
> The Celtics' best hope is that Croshere gets insulted by Indiana's offer
> and
> takes the $2.25 million exception, a long shot. But he is represented by
> agent Dan Fegan, who last year steered Shandon Anderson to Houston even
> though Utah offered him twice as much money.
> Abdul-Wahad also is looking for a deal larger than the $2.25 million that
> most teams, including the Celtics, have available. That would also require
> a
> sign-and-trade and a similar scenario would unfold for the Celtics.
> Good first impression
> Jerome Moiso completed his July assignment for the Celtics, capping an
> impressive week with his least impressive game of the week. Moiso had 7
> points, 6 fouls, 5 turnovers, and 3 rebounds in 25 minutes as the Celtics
> dropped their third straight Shaw's Pro Summer League game, 81-78, to the
> Sixers. Over the four games, the rookie out of UCLA averaged 11 points, 6
> rebounds, and 2.5 blocks in 25.5 minutes. He shot 58 percent from the
> field.
> ''I'm more impressed with him every day,'' said associate head coach Jim
> O'Brien. ''In the NBA, the ability to take a player, one on one, facing
> up,
> off the dribble is something so valuable. He showed me he could do that.''
> Moiso is off to France to attend a cousin's wedding and plans to be back
> in
> the Boston area next month. ''Just don't let the Foreign Legion get you
> while you're there,'' cracked Celtics GM Chris Wallace. Moiso said he
> enjoyed the competition but understands that it will be very different in
> October. ''It's getting ready to play against the bigger guys, the best in
> the world,'' he said. ''I have to be ready to match the intensity every
> night.'' The Celtics were waiting to hear from Tony Battie as to his
> availability for the remaining four games ... Kris Clack was the star of
> yesterday's game, scoring 21 points in 22 minutes. He, center Mark Blount,
> a
> Generic Point Guard (Haywoode Workman, Ira Bowman, Kevin Ollie), and the
> as-yet-unsigned free agent should account for most of the team's training
> camp roster. The Celtics have 11 players already under guaranteed deals,
> 12
> if you count the disabled Greg Minor ... Bimbo Coles stopped by and is
> believed to be seeking a four-year deal, which, given his age (32), may be
> a
> reach. The Celtics also don't want to use their $2.25 million slot on
> Coles.
> Hawks president Stan Kasten, meanwhile, said the team has not given up
> retaining Coles.
> Wrong place, wrong time
> So, what is it like to be the victim of a robbery at 4:15 a.m.? ''The only
> thing you're thinking about is, `It's only material things.' You give up
> what you got and hopefully you don't have anyone who's trying to be stupid
> and shoot or anything like that,'' said Nazr Mohammed, who, along with
> Antoine Walker and some others, was held up three weeks ago in Chicago.
> Walker told the Chicago Sun-Times, ''It's a scary thing to find yourself
> staring down the barrel of a pistol like I was.'' Asked about his $55,000
> Rolex watch, Walker told the newspaper, ''A lot of people expressed
> surprise
> that I had on such an expensive watch. I feel I should have the freedom to
> enjoy the finer things of life just like anybody else in America.''
> Mohammed, in town with the Sixers' summer league team, said the incident
> lasted about a minute. ''We tried to stay calm and give up what we had and
> that was it,'' Mohammed said. ''Nobody panicked. We just wanted to come
> out
> of it safe. I never thought I'd be in that type of situation, but I know
> it
> can happen to anybody. No one sees themselves in that type of situation.
> You
> always take more precautions. You watch where you are, watch what time
> you're out, just kind of watch your back. But you don't have to be
> paranoid
> about it.''
> Shira Springer of the Globe Staff contributed to this report.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:24:10 -0400
> From: "Josh Farber" <nbaj2k@home.com>
> Subject: Cross Davis off the List
>
> Well, I guess Mercer and Wahad are left. Hopefully we'll get one of them.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>Davis says yes to Mavericks' offer
> 07/21/2000
> By Jodie Valade / The Dallas Morning News
> Hubert Davis said from the start that he wanted to return to Dallas. All
> the
> free-agent guard wanted from the Mavericks was the same kind of unwavering
> commitment.
> And when that officially came Thursday in the form of a contract offer
> significantly longer than the Mavericks' original suggestion, Davis
> quickly
> accepted.
> Davis committed to the Mavericks and a four-year, $10 million contract
> Thursday, according to owner Mark Cuban. As a free agent, Davis cannot
> sign
> with Dallas until Aug. 1.
> The sharp-shooting guard had earned serious consideration from other
> teams,
> including New Jersey, Boston and Sacramento, during theJuly negotiating
> period. Though the Mavericks had originally offered Davis a one-year deal
> to
> preserve salary cap space in the summer of 2001, they recently changed
> gears.
> "Hubie was concerned about security, and given how important Hubie is to
> the
> team and our commitment to our players, I was happy to give him security,"
> Cuban said.
> Davis was unavailable for comment Thursday.
> Davis, who has been with the Mavericks for three years, opted out of his
> original six-year, $4.5 million contract with Dallas on July 1. That was a
> deal that made him one of the best bargains in the NBA after having led
> the
> NBA in three-point accuracy last season at 49.1 percent.<<<<<<<<<<
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:32:51 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Re: Nothing Important
>
> Oh yeah, that's right, I remember Duck was on the 1979-80 Celtics
> roster although he may have retired or been released before the
> playoffs. If I recall correctly, that team also had such names as Kevin
> Stacom, Jeff Judkins, Erik Fernstein. Do you all remember Terry Duerod?
> That might have been a little later.
>
> Duck Chaney was considered the best big defensive guard of his era,
> more or less like Dennis Johnson later would become. He won a ring in
> Boston in 1974 but wasn't on the roster, I believe, by 1976. I think he
> went to the ABA for awhile, then rejoined the Celts in the late 1970s
> along with a whole bunch of other late career retreads (Sidney Wicks and
> Curtis Rowe etc). Out of that whole bunch, only Tiny Archibald and Bob
> McAdoo were able to resurrect there careers or finally become winners. I
> was just a kid back then, but I remember what a constant soap opera the
> team was in the 1970s.
>
> - --------
>
> Cecil Wright wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> > To: 'Amy Beauregard' <amyeb88@yahoo.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 6:39 AM
> > Subject: RE: Nothing Important
> >
> > > Amy, who's the duck?
> > >
> >
> > I would say none other than Don (the Duck) Chaney!
> >
> > Cecil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:46:53 EDT
> From: Douglas342@aol.com
> Subject: Duck
>
> And is not El Ducko the answer to Celtic Trivia Question #1: who was
> the only Celtic to play with Larry Bird and Bill Russell?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:04:08 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: warriors payroll
>
> Mookie Blaylock 4 yr/$18,000,000 2002
> Sam Mack MINIMUM 2000
> Jason Caffey 7 yr/$35,000,000 2005
> Terry Cummings 2 yr/$4,200,000 2001
> Vonteego Cummings 4 yr/$2,580,000 2004
> Erick Dampier 7 yr/$48,000,000 2006
> Adonal Foyle 3 yr/$5,102,000 2000
> Antwan Jamison 4 yr/$8,670,000 2002
> Donyell Marshall 8 yr/$42,000,000 2002
> Chris Mills 6 yr/$26,100,000 2003
> Larry Hughes 4 yr/$6,000,000 2002
> Tony Farmer MINIMUM 2000
> Tim Young MINIMUM 2000
> Sam Jacobson MINIMUM 2000
> Mark Davis MINIMUM 2000
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:23:32 EDT
> From: Mafiaso316@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Nothing Important
>
> Didn't Chaney play for the Fakers at one time between stints with the C's?
>
> Mafiaso316
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:21:56 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: celts payroll
>
> Kenny Anderson 7 yr/ $50,000,000 2003
> Dana Barros 6 yr/ $22,000,000 2001
> Tony Battie 3 yr/ $6,717,000 2000
> Calbert Cheaney 3 yr/ $6,000,000 2002
> Pervis Ellison 6 yr/ $12,000,000
> 2000
> Danny Fortson 3 yr/$4,450,000 2000
> Adrian Griffin MINIMUM 2000
> Walter McCarty 3 yr/ $8,000,000 2002
> Greg Minor 5 yr/ $13,000,000 2001 Paul Pierce 4 yr/ $5,600,000 2002
> Vitaly Potapenko 6 yr/$33,000,000 2005
> Antoine Walker 6 yr/$70,900,000 2005
> Doug Overton MINIMUM 2000
> Eric Williams 6 yr/$26,000,000 2001 (player option)
>
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:23:27 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: adds up to...
>
> Fortson and Cheaney for Mookie Blaylock. Good deal.
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:27:27 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Re: Cross Davis off the List
>
> That's a shame. He made sense in Boston, sort of as a poor man's Allan
> Houston. It seems like great pure shooters are a slowly vanishing breed.
> Maybe
> Mercer does make sense, although I have mixed feelings. I'm surprised
> Pitino
> isn't also talking so far with Derek Anderson, who clearly likes his coach
> and
> believes the guy is a winner.
>
>
>
> Josh Farber wrote:
>
> > Well, I guess Mercer and Wahad are left. Hopefully we'll get one of
> them.
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>Davis says yes to Mavericks' offer
> > 07/21/2000
> > By Jodie Valade / The Dallas Morning News
> > Hubert Davis said from the start that he wanted to return to Dallas. All
> the
> > free-agent guard wanted from the Mavericks was the same kind of
> unwavering
> > commitment.
> > And when that officially came Thursday in the form of a contract offer
> > significantly longer than the Mavericks' original suggestion, Davis
> quickly
> > accepted.
> > Davis committed to the Mavericks and a four-year, $10 million contract
> > Thursday, according to owner Mark Cuban. As a free agent, Davis cannot
> sign
> > with Dallas until Aug. 1.
> > The sharp-shooting guard had earned serious consideration from other
> teams,
> > including New Jersey, Boston and Sacramento, during theJuly negotiating
> > period. Though the Mavericks had originally offered Davis a one-year
> deal to
> > preserve salary cap space in the summer of 2001, they recently changed
> > gears.
> > "Hubie was concerned about security, and given how important Hubie is to
> the
> > team and our commitment to our players, I was happy to give him
> security,"
> > Cuban said.
> > Davis was unavailable for comment Thursday.
> > Davis, who has been with the Mavericks for three years, opted out of his
> > original six-year, $4.5 million contract with Dallas on July 1. That was
> a
> > deal that made him one of the best bargains in the NBA after having led
> the
> > NBA in three-point accuracy last season at 49.1 percent.<<<<<<<<<<
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:32:10 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Re: Duck
>
> Havlicek came within a whisker too. I remember he said something to
> the effect that he "retired a year too soon" after watching
> Bird's rookie season. All that continuity and tradition seems like a
> really distant memory now. I hope next year we'll be a dangerous
> team again, with two young stars.
>
> Joe
>
> p.s. Terrell Brandon for Kenny Anderson is such a nobrainer it is not
> even worth wasting time hoping this Internet rumor is true.
>
> - ---
>
> Douglas342@aol.com wrote:
>
> > And is not El Ducko the answer to Celtic Trivia Question #1: who was
> the only Celtic to play with Larry Bird and Bill Russell?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:06:29 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: BSG: C's After Mercer and Toine Stays as Part of the Deal
>
> Well, a good move, if they can bring back Mercer at the
> minimum.
>
>
> http://home.digitalcity.com/boston/sportsguy/main.dci?page=links
>
> The Celts are making a HARD run at Ron Mercer, who misses Boston after
> being humbled in Denver and Orlando last season (as CM Newton alluded to
> in Pete Vescey's column today). Rick Pitino even flew down south to
> spend time with Mercer this weekend, where Coach P will certainly be at
> his oily/convincing best. Remember, Mercer broke ties with agent
> Tevester Scott earlier this year; Scott had convinced Mercer last summer
> that Boston was trying to screw him with a generous 4-year, $28 million
> offer (unattainable numbers for Mercer this summer). Mercer was bummed
> out by his experience with Scott and regrets not trusting Pitino more,
> especially when Pitino was urging him to be careful of Scott's and
> Master P's motives last summer (their "No-Limit Agency" has become a
> joke since last year).
>
> Also, the Celts are also negotiating with Tariq Abdul-Wahad as a ploy to
> make Mercer believe they'll go elsewhere if he drags his feet on a deal.
> New Jersey is offering him the most money, but Mercer is weary of
> playing there and even more weary of Stephon Marbury's "tough teammate"
> reputation.
>
> If I had to bet money on anything happening for the Celts this summer, I
> would wager that Mercer signs a one-year deal for the $2.25 million
> veteran exemption, with a handshake deal for an extension in the 5-year,
> $25 million range after next season. Sure, he has some faults -- he
> doesn't rebound, he doesn't create shots for anyone and he plays soft at
> times -- but he can drain open jumpers and run the floor, precisely what
> Boston needs from the 2-spot. The move would also allow them to play
> Pierce at the "3" and stick Williams/McCarty/Cheaney et al on the bench,
> where they belong.
>
> One other note on this: Mercer wouldn't return unless he was guaranteed
> that his buddy Walker is staying put -- he's even said as much to
> reporters -- so any Mercer singing would indicate that Walker is either
> A) off the trading block or B) not enticing enough for Chicago or
> Detroit to pull the trigger (on a deal which would free cap room for
> Boston to sign Austin Croshere).
>
> One final conspiracy note: Did Pitino know that Mercer wanted to return
> here as far back as mid-season last year -- because Walker and Mercer
> are close -- which explains why they took Moiso with the #11 pick over
> Courtney Alexander? And did they talk to Mercer before the 7/1 signing
> period began? Stay tuned on this one... it could never be proven, but
> the whispers are growing louder, especially if he signs with the Celts
> for half the money he could get from New Jersey
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:06:26 EDT
> From: MetNut9@aol.com
> Subject: if Mercer sings and......
>
> Can you imagine if Mercer signs with the C's. Walker comes in and in
> shape, and Moiso is the real deal the way it looked at the Shaws league?
> check this out:
>
> Pot Blount Battie
> Walker Moiso McCarty
> Pierce Griffin Williams
> Mercer Cheaney Griffin
> Anderson Barros
>
> That team legitamately goes 9 deep. I find cheaney, E Williams, and
> Mccarty as being filers. But think about an in shape Walker, a hungry
> Mercer, a year older Pierce, an inside presence coming off the bench in
> Moiso, and the steady Grifin. Not to mention Barros is instant offense.
> for the first time in awhile I could actually see good things out of this
> team. Especially if Blount is 6 fouls and some d.
>
> Derek
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amy Beauregard <amyeb88@yahoo.com>
> Subject: The "Duck"
>
> The Duck is Don Chaney, the assistant coach of the
> Knicks. He was a rookie in 68-69 (Russell's last year
> - - title of the Fakers, after being down 2-0. What a
> way to break into the NBA!) and played for the C's
> '68-75 and '77-80 (Bird's rookie year, thus being the
> only guy to bridge the gap of Russell and Bird). Maybe
> some older fans here can recall why he missed those 2
> seasons in between. Nice guy, who took the time to
> sign an autograph for me. I asked him if he'd give us
> Allan Houston for Fortson. He laughed and told me I
> was on drugs. An all-star for a guy who doesn't even
> start. Put me in my place! Also saw Paul Westphal, who
> almost singlehandedly hauted the C's in the 76 Finals.
> Maybe the elders can help out again with why he was
> traded.
>
> PS - Let's put the Reggie/Bias crutches back in the
> closet. Even if they were around, they'd be "old and
> grey" also. They probably would have been traded for
> Joe Klein, anyway.
>
> Peace!
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:25:00 -0400
> From: Francis Hsu <francis@ai.mit.edu>
> Subject: Celtics stats for Boston - Philadelpha game on 7/20
>
> Found the box score for the Boston - Philadelphia game and other Shaw's
> Pro
> Summer League games:
> http://www.nba.com/celtics/shaws_index_2000.html
>
> Because the box score at that site is a scanned image, I'm only putting
> forth
> the effort to include the Celtics player's stats in this message. (It
> also
> means that I could very well have made typos.)
>
> HOME: BOSTON CELTICS (1-3)
> PLAYER POS MIN FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA OR DR TOT A PF ST TO BS
> PTS
> J. Moiso F 25 3 9 0 0 1 2 2 1 3 1 6 0 5 1
> 7
> R. Elliott F 28 3 8 1 3 4 4 0 4 4 0 4 1 1 0
> 11
> M. Blount C 27 1 2 0 0 5 5 2 4 6 3 3 3 2 3
> 7
> K. Clack G 22 7 11 2 2 5 8 1 2 3 2 5 1 4 2
> 21
> J. Allen G 26 2 5 1 2 4 5 0 0 0 4 0 1 2 0
> 9
> R. Jackson 12 0 1 0 0 4 4 1 2 3 1 2 0 1 0
> 4
> S. Mills 16 0 6 0 2 2 4 0 0 0 0 4 1 4 0
> 2
> D. Vanterpool 14 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 1 3 0 0 0
> 0
> R. Bergersen 18 3 7 2 2 4 4 0 1 1 2 1 1 0 0
> 12
> K. Salvadori 10 2 3 0 0 1 3 1 1 2 0 1 0 0 1
> 5
> B. Martin 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0
> 0
> T. Battie NWT
> D. Owens DNP - Coach's Decision
> J. Rush DNP - Coach's Decision
> H. Workman NWT
> -
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> TOTALS: 200 21 55 6 11 30 39 7 20 27 14 29 9 20 7
> 78
> PERCENTAGES: 38.2% 54.5% 76.9% TM REB: 9 TOT TO: 20 (22
> PTS)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:45:58 -0400
> From: "Josh Farber" <nbaj2k@home.com>
> Subject: BskBall on Fortson to Warriors
>
> Here's what BskBall has to say about Fortson to GS.
> Who do we want from them? Who could we use?
> Do we want Marshall?
> Josh
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> 07/21-WARRIORS WOULD TRADE FOR FORTSON- Danny Fortson was in the Oakland
> area yesterday to tour the Warriors practice facility and talk with the
> team. The meeting included all of the gimmicks one could expect from a
> college recruiting trip...Jerseys with his name and number, GM's wearing
> "Welcome Danny" t-shirts...the whole boat. After that meeting its
> basically
> been said that if a deal could be worked for Fortson, they'd love to have
> him long term. Its also been said if he makes Golden State his top spot,
> they'll guarantee a starting spot, likely pushing Donyell Marshall and
> Chris
> Mills to the bench. Danny is not a skilled offensive player, but is a
> furious rebounder, and a very physical player. Acquired by Boston in the
> trade sending out Ron Mercer. Danny has now been traded something like 4
> times, including one deal that was nixed last minute. Danny has said he
> just
> wants a stable home, and a contract that protects his interests. Fortson
> had
> been offered a $4 million a season deal from Boston, which he declined.
> The
> Knicks had expressed a lot of interest in Fortson, but cap complications
> have made a deal almost impossible. The Orlando Magic have also expressed
> interest in Fortson as have the LA Lakers. The Warriors are now trying to
> piece together a package that could get Fortson into Golden State, but as
> both teams are over the cap, a deal may be a little tougher than it seems.
> No players have been mentioned, but you can assume Boston wants a point
> guard and a power player. The Warriors have a ton of SF types, and would
> love to deal one of them. Seeing that Boston has had Chris Mills already,
> they may be more interested in Marshall, as the fruit of any deal.
>
> ------------------------------
>
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