----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 2:19
PM
Subject: RE: sick of losing to the
WORST teams...
I
think it is difficult to look at Boston & LA the two powers of the 80's
and see how the Lakers have retooled to be top contenders again, and the
Celtics lottery candidates year after year. I have been patient since 1986 .
When can we stop saying this and realize changes have to be made ? 2005
? 2010 ?. This patience thing reminds me too much of the Clippers
game plan since they moved from San Diego.
Quit making the maturity excuses for AW and others.
Rahim gets 20/10 a night on a worse team and is younger. We have to
quit making excuses for these high priced athletes.
Its like the stock market, you have to know when to
make the trade and cut your losses and move on to a better
thing.
I
do agree it is the players more than the coaching on most occasions, but
sometimes you just have to make the change. Pitino to GM, Cowens to
coach ?
John
That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I
happen to look at it in another light. No team I've ever had the
pleasure to coach has ever jelled together as quickly as you want the
Celtics to. Like it or not, it takes time. It is
inescapable. How long did it take the Chicago Bulls to win their
first title? Was it in Jackson's first few years as their
coach? Was it in Jordan's first 5 years in the league? Whether
it's getting old or not, it is the truth. Look out in Utah.
They still haven't won and it took them some time before they became
perennial playoff contenders.
In the NBA, it doesn't happen overnight. And now,
we must suck it up without Griffin for a while. It is easy to give
up and constantly bemoan them when they look bad (like last night) but,
respectfully I ask, where were you when they played well against
Sacto?
Last night, in addition to Grif going down, VP could
barely hold on to any ball he got his hands on, Pierce had a dismal game
from the floor. He also appears at times to suffer from
Merceritis. Fortson, though many think he's 100% healthy, is still
far from game shape which is why RP can only play him in short
spurts. And Toine, is Toine. You know what you're getting with
these guys. They are young and need to mature. It's a fact of
life. I could technically dissect each member of this team from
purely a coaching perspective but I know what Pitino is trying to do and
it takes time.
You can keep this kind of posting pattern if you like,
but when it comes together, we won't hear from you too much and it's not
as far down the road as you seem to think.
Cecil
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 8:06
AM
Subject: Re: sick of losing to the
WORST teams...
Patience, this is gettin old also. Patience won't improve
this outfit. More like patients. Pink slip's will. In case many of you
lost track of the term, because of the good economy, it means getting
fired, dumped, wasted.
At 12:45 AM 1/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>
Regarding comments from those who mainly post
only when we lose, see below. No post after a decent win, but a loss
on the road on the back half of two straight, with the second on the
road isn't mentioned. The return of Kukoc isn't mentioned and he is
obviously a difficult matchup.
We beat a
very good team last night, lose to a team who have now won 3 straight
and are definitely improving, who have added a decent shooter in
Maloney, and Pitino should be fired? I love hearing people say stuff
like if the players are consistent, it's the fault of the coach. That
is such a load of crap. The players miss foul shots and the coach
should be held accountable. What about the player? Does he bear any
responsibility? If it's all the fault of the coach, why has Toine
taken so much heat from this list. When Toine sucks, it is up to him
to get out of it, not the coach. It is up to the coach to point out
the weaknesses to the player and give him/her points of emphasis to
improve or correct the skill. But a coach cannot will a player into
not making bad passes or turnovers, as they are part of the game and
always will be.
Those who are looking for
consistency, at this point, will be greatly disappointed. It takes
time. Apparently more than some of you are willing to wait.
Cecil (who will still proudly cheer
the green on in LA)
----- Original Message -----
From:
<mailto:jaims@philonline.com>Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr.
To: <mailto:celtics@igtc.com>celtics@igtc.com
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 12:07
AM
Subject: sick of losing to the WORST teams...
What the heck
is goin on???!!!
We
beat a good team and then we lose to a very bad or worst team in the
league!
this
is embarrasing because it already happened twice against the same
Chicago team and Pitino and the charges didn't learn anything from
the first loss. Are the players intentionally making Pitino look
bad? Maybe. Or is Pitino just not up to the task? Most probably. If
we're so inconsistent, then it's the coaches task to motivate and
condition every players minds in every game.
I'm
sure Pitino has excuses of, "Oh, we didn't pass the ball
around..."
"Oh,
our players need consistency and maturity...", " Oh, we are blah
blah blah..."
I
can only say he talks a lot of
bull.
I
was hoping that my prediction of 32 wins and no entry to the
playoffs would be wrong but it's already kinda goin towards that and
it sickens me.
Patience
is a virtue...but the teams' showing is simply sickening!!! WE
DEFINITELY NEED TO CHANGE THE
COACH!!!
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