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Alden
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #90
>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Tuesday, February 22 2000 Volume 07 : Number 090
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> REPEAT SHOWING
> Bird not buying Celtics
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Re:REPEAT SHOWING
> TSN reports
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Hey Michael Gooen...
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Following Portland game via internet :1st qtr
> PortLand game : 2nd qtr
> Re: TSN reports
> Fortson
> Re: TSN reports
> Keep Fortson
> RE: Keep Fortson
> Re: Bowen waived
> Celtics Notebook/Steve Bulpett
> One player
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Re: One player
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Y2k draft
> Re: One player
> Re: Y2k draft
> Seattle Box Score
> Portland Box Score
> Help me!
> Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> Re: Bowen waived
> Fw: Bird not buying Celtics
> Re: Help me!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:20:53 -0500
> From: "Juddy" <norine@sover.net>
> Subject: REPEAT SHOWING
>
> Do any of you fellow small dish owners know when Fox Sports NE reruns the
Celtics games? Or more specifically, when they'll rerun tonight's game? I
don't think I can stay up late enough to watch it.
> Dorine
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:26:01 -0500
> From: Alex Wang <awang@mit.edu>
> Subject: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> Well, as I guessed, Bird knew that he didn't have a chance to own the
> Celtics. Could it be that he defended Pitino because he actually believes
> that Pitino doesn't deserve the blame he's getting? Maybe he appreciates
> what a difficult job it has been.
>
> - --
> From ESPN:
>
> INDIANAPOLIS -- Larry Bird, one of the greatest players in Boston Celtics
> history, said Monday he would prefer owning the Indiana Pacers.
>
> And the Indiana coach, who has announced plans to leave the bench at the
> end of the season, said he doesn't anticipate becoming an owner of either
> team.
>
> "The Pacers are not for sale, the Celtics are not for sale. I know that,
> I knew that eight years ago that they weren't for sale. Bird said Monday.
> "You can't buy something that's not for sale."
>
> The Boston Globe reported Sunday that Bird indicated interest in buying
> the Celtics.
>
> "I could get people together to buy the team in a day," Bird told the
> newspaper. "I could get it done tomorrow."
>
> Celtics owner Paul Gaston has said publicly that the team is not for sale.
>
> Bird has been offered an executive position in the Pacers' front office,
> but said Monday he was uncertain what he would do when the season ends.
>
> "I'll tell you again, I'm not going back there," Bird said of Boston.
> "As far as being here, I really don't know yet."
>
> Bird said he had talked about the future with Pacers president Donnie
Walsh
> a number of times.
>
> "It's just according to how I feel. I've always said to build a team is
> very intriguing. Do I want to spend five years doing that? I've got a
> family. It really comes down to where my kids want to live," said Bird,
> who has three children. "My wife has followed me around for 23 years. ...
> She loves it here."
>
> Bird worked as a Celtics consultant for five years after retiring as a
player.
>
> He has coached the Pacers into the Eastern Conference finals both years as
a
> coach. In his debut as a coach at any level the Pacers set a franchise
> record of 58-24 and lost in the conference finals to Michael Jordan and
the
> Chicago Bulls in seven games.
>
> Indiana won the Central Division championship in last year's
lockout-shortened
> season, finishing 33-17, and lost the conference final to the New York
Knicks
> in six games.
>
> The Pacers have the best record in the Eastern Conference this season.
>
> Asked if he had talked with Indiana owners Herb and Mel Simon about
becoming
> an owner of the team, Bird responded, "You can forget about it."
>
> Bird was also asked if he was interested in becoming an owner of the
Dallas
> team and responded negatively.
>
> "I'd rather buy this team, because of this place," he said in reference to
> the new Conseco Fieldhouse, which has had a capacity crowd for every game
> this season.
>
> Indiana has compiled a franchise-record 19-game winning streak at Conseco
> and its 22-2 home mark is the best in the league.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:04:46 -0900
> From: damekmo@teleport.com
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> >Could it be that he defended Pitino because he actually believes
> >that Pitino doesn't deserve the blame he's getting?
>
> Whenever I see McCarty, Battie, Williams and Fortson at the scorers table,
> I don't know who else to blame. It's not your fault Alex. It's not mine.
> It's not Joe's, although what the hell, he's living in Paris.
>
> Paul M.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:10:44 -0800
> From: "Michael J. King Sr." <kingpinn@zdnetonebox.com>
> Subject: Re:REPEAT SHOWING
>
> At 08:20 PM 2/21/00 -0500, Juddy wrote:
> Do any of you fellow small dish owners know when Fox Sports NE reruns
> the Celtics games? Or more specifically, when they'll rerun tonight's
> game? I don't think I can stay up late enough to watch it.
> Dorine
>
> It usually runs at 1:00 pm Eastern. Yup. Tuesday at 1:00
> Later.Mike
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:09:28 -0800
> From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett@amcity.com>
> Subject: TSN reports
>
> Orlando offering Derek Strong for Danny. Considering Strong has played a
> total of 24 minutes this season and has 2 years left on his deal, I hope
> Rick gives this one a wide berth.
>
> Also, Wizards nearing a deal to send Ike Austin to Utah, Ostertag to
> Pistons, rights to Bison Dele + Detroit's first round pick to
> Washington. Detroit must be desperate if they're after Ostertag. Wizards
> make out all right, dumping a player they don't want for a late first
> rounder plus cap space (Dele is no expected to return, not even to play
> for Jordan).
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:19:27 -0500
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> Oh well, it was worth the rush. I must admit I'm disappointed. Not only
> that but I'm getting fed up with the Celts in general. There's just too
> much volcanic activity in the organization. I have no faith in Pitino, to
> build or lead. I'm sick of losers. Through the years except for the Celts,
> I would change allegiances to teams in baseball, and football. I'm not a
> die hard that sticks to a team till the grave. Except the Celts. My
> patience is wearing thin. If the Celts don't wake up next season, adios. I
> can't keep getting frustrated over a game when I know it isn't necessary.
> The Knick organization I hated for years now are looking good. A guy named
> Van Gundy has a bunch of stumble bums playing good basketball and tied in
> the East for 1st place. I rest my case.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:41:27 -0500
> From: Alex Wang <awang@mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> > The Knick organization I hated for years now are looking good. A guy
named
> > Van Gundy has a bunch of stumble bums playing good basketball and tied
in
> > the East for 1st place. I rest my case.
>
> The Knicks have a cap figure this year of over $70M, behind only
> Portland. It's nice to be able to spend your way to victory. Ewing,
> LJ, Sprewell, and Houston have all been solid All-Stars at one
> point in their careers. That team has talent and experience, as
> well as being well coached by Van Gundy, who nonetheless was in
> danger of being fired late last year.
>
> Most people tend to overrate our young talent (which will be good
> eventually) and underrate every other team. The Knicks are "a bunch
> of stumble bums". The Pacers are a bunch of unathletic old men.
> Sometimes I think that Pitino should just scrap the young player
> approach, trade everyone for 12 year veterans and win 42-45 games a
> year for the rest of his contract, washing out in the first round
> of the playoffs every time. Maybe Indiana will be looking to rebuild
> after this year; we can give them Pierce, Walker, and Potapenko for
> Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, and Dale Davis. Maybe we can throw in
> some first round picks and get Smits too. That'll make some fans
> happy, because they don't have the patience to wait for a young team
> that'll grow into something more than that.
>
> Alex
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:55:09 -0800
> From: Bob George <bgp76@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Hey Michael Gooen...
>
> shoot me a line at bgp76@pacbell.net Thanks!
>
> Bob George
>
> http://patriots.rivals.com
> http://www.bossports.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:14:18 -0500
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> You got the wrong message from my post. Myself and others included are
> tired of the seemingly inexperienced Celtic organization to put a team
> together and or make the one we do have work more effectively. This team
is
> not much better than last seasons, talent wise or execution wise.
>
> At 09:41 PM 2/21/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> The Knick organization I hated for years now are looking good. A guy
named
> >> Van Gundy has a bunch of stumble bums playing good basketball and tied
in
> >> the East for 1st place. I rest my case.
> >
> >The Knicks have a cap figure this year of over $70M, behind only
> >Portland. It's nice to be able to spend your way to victory. Ewing,
> >LJ, Sprewell, and Houston have all been solid All-Stars at one
> >point in their careers. That team has talent and experience, as
> >well as being well coached by Van Gundy, who nonetheless was in
> >danger of being fired late last year.
> >
> >Most people tend to overrate our young talent (which will be good
> >eventually) and underrate every other team. The Knicks are "a bunch
> >of stumble bums". The Pacers are a bunch of unathletic old men.
> >Sometimes I think that Pitino should just scrap the young player
> >approach, trade everyone for 12 year veterans and win 42-45 games a
> >year for the rest of his contract, washing out in the first round
> >of the playoffs every time. Maybe Indiana will be looking to rebuild
> >after this year; we can give them Pierce, Walker, and Potapenko for
> >Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, and Dale Davis. Maybe we can throw in
> >some first round picks and get Smits too. That'll make some fans
> >happy, because they don't have the patience to wait for a young team
> >that'll grow into something more than that.
> >
> >Alex
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:23:08 PST
> From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> >From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>
> >Oh well, it was worth the rush. I must admit I'm disappointed.
>
> Dan, you were right on with your earlier post. Bird's comments were all
> about generating public opinion for a sale that the owner wouldn't
otherwise
> do. I didn't read that article that was posted about it, but I saw Bird
> interviewed on TV. He was saying things like, "The Celtics aren't for
sale,
> and the Pacers aren't for sale, so I'm going to Florida". I think he'd
like
> to own either club. We lost him once, it would be a shame to lose him
> again.
>
> Celtics are Down 17 - 6. Uuugh. I'm going to bed.
>
> Jim
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:40:36 +0800
> From: Kevin <kevin.lok@lycosmail.com>
> Subject: Following Portland game via internet :1st qtr
>
> Starters out of syn, trails 11-0, pippen driving
> and dunking on us!
>
> After C's time out, it still stinks!
>
> Benchers came in, stopped the bleeding.
>
> Fort, rebound, rebound, rebound - great.
>
> EW - driving and dunking! (I thought his knees are
> shot!)
>
> 1st qtr ended : 26-23, great.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:29:51 +0800
> From: Kevin <kevin.lok@lycosmail.com>
> Subject: PortLand game : 2nd qtr
>
> Tell me if I'm wrong.
>
> 7min 30sec - 30-31 - we were hanging tough with
> the benchers, out comes the starters. Blazers
> speed up to 37-30!
>
> without Fort, AW the rebounding man (where's V?)
> but he misses shots (can't tell whether it's layup
> or put back or one on one situations)
>
> (Fort got 4 caroms no fouls yet! it's a miracle!)
>
> EW came back in (I think he's hot tonight) in
> place of AG, good - Cs begins to have more
> "inside" results. (that's the old celts type of
> game I like)
>
> With Fort in, you can tell the difference:
> Bos - Fortson offensive rebound
> Bos - Fortson miss
> Bos - (blazer) shooting foul
> Bos - Fortson free throw 1 of 2
>
> it goes on too in the defensive end.
>
> Fort got 2 fouls with 1 min left, and Halleluja, V
> came in for Fort!!! (see that? Pitino saving Fort
> for the 2nd half - I hope so)
>
> Then Blazers beginning to pull away, qtr end
> 49-43.
>
> Cs got to play inside (dump the jump shooting
> game) to have any chance to win this game (or any
> other game IMO)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:40:54 -0800
> From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: TSN reports
>
> This is bullshit. Strong sucks we aren't taking on his contract.. If they
> want Fortson it will cost them Wallace, Outlaw, Doleac or Garrity.
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Delevett" <pdelevett@amcity.com>
> To: "Celtics" <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:09 PM
> Subject: TSN reports
>
>
> > Orlando offering Derek Strong for Danny. Considering Strong has played a
> > total of 24 minutes this season and has 2 years left on his deal, I hope
> > Rick gives this one a wide berth.
> >
> > Also, Wizards nearing a deal to send Ike Austin to Utah, Ostertag to
> > Pistons, rights to Bison Dele + Detroit's first round pick to
> > Washington. Detroit must be desperate if they're after Ostertag. Wizards
> > make out all right, dumping a player they don't want for a late first
> > rounder plus cap space (Dele is no expected to return, not even to play
> > for Jordan).
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:44:36 -0800
> From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Fortson
>
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> rid of Battie. He sucks. I think I'll take Danny as a backup 5 than =
> Battie.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:52:08 +1100
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Re: TSN reports
>
> John Lyell wrote:
>
> > This is bullshit. Strong sucks we aren't taking on his contract.. If
they
> > want Fortson it will cost them Wallace, Outlaw, Doleac or Garrity.
>
> Doleac - PUH-LEASE!
>
> I dont want the guy who single handidly lost a game for Orlando on Friday.
He
> is not talented, he is a waste of space who isn't even CBA quality. I'll
send
> you a tape of him playing in Australia and then you'll realise how much of
a
> joke this BWS is.
>
> W
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:00:41 +0800
> From: Kevin <kevin.lok@lycosmail.com>
> Subject: Keep Fortson
>
> After 3 qtrs, Fortson's line:
>
> 18min, 2-6FG, 6-8FT, 7-12Reb!!! 10pts (this is a
> plus)
>
> Listening to weei commentary, Fort is keeping the
> Cs alive with all those missed shots (especially
> Walker's)
>
> we got to keep Fort.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:52:35 -0800
> From: Gregory Odegaard <grodeg@kalama.com>
> Subject: RE: Keep Fortson
>
> Maybe I should just let Kevin do the report. He seems to be following the
game closer than me and I am only 10 rows off the court. Report to come in
the morning.
>
> A very entertaining game BTW, IMO. Went with my son, his pal and a new
Celtic friend of mine. Walker was very impressive to watch at times, at
Fortson does nothing but impress me. IF he had just tad bit more offensive
skills he would be a major keeper, but as it is he hasn't given up one bit
on this effort. Either he wants the trade, is trying to save face, is
looking ahead to a decent FA deal, or is a true Celtic at heart, ala Big
Red. Probably some of all of the above.
>
> See you in the morning. (The Blazers will hang #2 this year, most
critically keeping the Fakers from hanging #12)
>
> Greg
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:50:05 +0100
> From: opi@unesco.org
> Subject: Re: Bowen waived
>
> Peter Delevett wrote:
>
> > Considering how much our fearless leader used to rave about him, and our
> > dismal backcourt defense, how 'bout signing Bruce to a 10-day contract?
>
> Why not just wait a few weeks and then grab Alvin Williams off waivers.
:-)
>
> Changing subjects, the Celts starting backcourt failed to step up last
night
> (5-21 shooting and 9 turnovers). This may be a classic midseason burnout
> phase, but we can't afford it. It looks like the Celts will reach 10 games
> under .500 before they start making some kind of run. Given the
competition,
> the Celts are still in the Eastern playoff picture if they can finish
around
> .500. So they need to treat every ball possession during this slump as
> relevant to their playoff chances.
>
> On a positive note, the 18-7 advantage in offensive rebounds is the type
of
> stat that is bound to help us down the road, once we can play consistently
> in other phases of the game. Fortson had 8 offensive boards as well as 14
> boards overall (twice as many as any other Celtic). Pitino is doing a
> wonderful job of showcasing him before the trade <g>.
>
> Portland has an amazing roster. Detlef Shrempf (14 minutes) and Brian
Grant
> (12 minutes) are basically afterthoughts on that bench at times, but they
> could probably start and help improve many teams. The "accidental
> billionaire" Paul Allen has five roster players averaging between 9 and 13
> million per season and two more players averaging between 6 and 7 million
> (Steve Smith and Jermaine O'Neil) according to Bender's site.
>
> Maybe Paul Allen's pal Bill Gates might want to get into the game and buy
> the Boston Celtics. Gates must have a little bit more free time since
> stepping down as Microsoft chairman.
>
> ****
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:54:47 +0100
> From: opi@unesco.org
> Subject: Celtics Notebook/Steve Bulpett
>
> Celtics Notebook/Steve Bulpett
>
> The Celtics seem to be taking Larry Bird's talk of owning the club as
> little more than a slap. Certainly it seems unlikely that Paul Gaston
> would go out of his way to make a deal with a potential Bird group after
> Larry's comments in his book and this week. In fact, one could envision
> Gaston doing anything but.
>
> Celtics chief financial and operating officer Richard Pond wasn't
> getting into Bird's motives, but he did say, ``If he's serious about
> buying the team, that wouldn't be the direct approach. If he feels he
> could put together a group to buy the team, you would assume he would
> not be public about it. That would only foster competition. In a
> business environment, that's not the approach you take.''
>
> As for Gaston's plans, Pond reiterated what the owner has said on many
> occasions, that the Celtics are not for sale. He did say Gaston, as a
> businessman, would have to listen to any serious offer.
>
> ``But the only way I could see something happening is if it was an
> unbelievable offer,'' Pond said. ``If somebody came to Paul and offered
> him half a billion dollars, he'd probably sell the team. And I'm being
> serious about that figure. It would take something like that.''
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:37:53 -0600
> From: "Gene Kirkpatrick" <gkir@tjc.tyler.cc.tx.us>
> Subject: One player
>
> I've looked at the box scores and probed deeply into my amazing player
> evaluation scanbank and concluded that we could be a .500 team (this
> year) with the addition of one player: Bob Sura.
>
> Yes. A backup point/two guard who can play defense and the open
> court, is a competent scorer, and fits our needs as well as any
> relatively available player could. I say we trade cap fodder plus our
> 2001 top pick for him. Keep Fortson. Jettison McCarty, Barros and
> Overton. Go with Battie, Fortson and Williams plus Sura as needed.
> We keep our 2000 pick and have Denver's in 2001.
>
> Cleveland's not going anywhere and they have Miller at point. Sura's
> not a starter anymore, I don't think. Do it today!
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:40:51 -0500
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> I still wouldn't rule it out entirely, could just be posturing on Gaston's
> part. It's up to the people and media in Boston to get the message to
> Gaston. Maybe empty seats would change his way of thinking.
>
> Boston is not the market it used to be during and prior to the Bird era.
> NY, LA, Seattle and throw in a few others have grown past Boston
Mass.,just
> witness the tv exposure. What happens in Boston these days, the Boston
> Marathon? Their baseball and hockey teams can't produce a winner, just
> teases. It's been a long time and people forget. It's not about tradition
> anymore. Celt fans talk about it because it's all we have. It's about
> winning and money. America loves winners and has no sympathy for losers.
In
> short, the Boston Celtics have had in my opinion ample time to develop a
> decent team. Jesus, I don't have to win a Championship, just let us make
> the playoffs. I don't think the 8th spot out of 15 teams is asking too
much.
>
> At 07:23 PM 2/21/00 PST, you wrote:
> >>From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >
> >>Oh well, it was worth the rush. I must admit I'm disappointed.
> >
> >Dan, you were right on with your earlier post. Bird's comments were all
> >about generating public opinion for a sale that the owner wouldn't
otherwise
> >do. I didn't read that article that was posted about it, but I saw Bird
> >interviewed on TV. He was saying things like, "The Celtics aren't for
sale,
> >and the Pacers aren't for sale, so I'm going to Florida". I think he'd
like
> >to own either club. We lost him once, it would be a shame to lose him
> >again.
> >
> >Celtics are Down 17 - 6. Uuugh. I'm going to bed.
> >
> >Jim
> >______________________________________________________
> >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:48:44 +0000
> From: "Rory O'Keeffe" <okeeffe@unite.net>
> Subject: Re: One player
>
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> >Bob Sura.
> >
> >Yes. A backup point/two guard who can play defense and the open
> >court, is a competent scorer, and fits our needs as well as any
> >relatively available player could.
>
>
> Sura is having an excellent year this year, but what if he resorts to last
> years play. I don't think he would be consistent enough to be a success.
> I would love to be wrong 'cause I really like the way he's playing this
> year.
>
> Rory.
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> <blockquote type=cite cite>Bob Sura.<br>
> <br>
> Yes. A backup point/two guard who can play defense and the
> open<br>
> court, is a competent scorer, and fits our needs as well as any<br>
> relatively available player could. </blockquote><br>
> <br>
> Sura is having an excellent year this year, but what if he resorts to
> last<br>
> years play. I don't think he would be consistent enough to be a
> success.<br>
> I would love to be wrong 'cause I really like the way he's playing
> this<br>
> year.<br>
> <br>
> Rory. <br>
> </html>
>
> - --=====================_105425035==_.ALT--
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:17:34 PST
> From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> >From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >Jesus, I don't have to win a Championship, just let us make
> >the playoffs. I don't think the 8th spot out of 15 teams is asking too
> >much.
>
> I thought you were waiting until next year to become a Knicks fan. You
> sound like one already.
>
> Jim
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:24:58 +0800
> From: kevin lok <kevin.lok@lycosmail.com>
> Subject: Y2k draft
>
> from nbatalk.com
> Y2K Draft Outlook: On Guard
> 'This is going to be a very, very good draft,' NBA scouting director
> Marty Blake said. 'It's the year of the point guard.'
>
> Didn't somebody mentioned it was a big man strong draft?
>
> kevin
> (somebody tell Pitino this so that he does not panic and trade (again)
> for a 6-5 backup point guard with our No.1 rebounder - 14 boards in
> PortLand game)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:23:33 +0100
> From: opi@unesco.org
> Subject: Re: One player
>
> Bob Sura pretty much single-handedly brought the "raise the roof" sign
into
> the consciousness of mainstream America through one of his highlight
dunks,
> although some may argue that Red Sox GM Dan Duquette had a separate role
in
> this as well. :-)
>
> Rory O'Keeffe wrote:
>
> > > Bob Sura.
> > >
> > > Yes. A backup point/two guard who can play defense and the open
> > > court, is a competent scorer, and fits our needs as well as any
> > > relatively available player could.
> >
> > Sura is having an excellent year this year, but what if he resorts to
last
> > years play. I don't think he would be consistent enough to be a
success.
> > I would love to be wrong 'cause I really like the way he's playing this
> > year.
> >
> > Rory.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:39:13 +0800
> From: kevin lok <kevin.lok@lycosmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Y2k draft
>
> this trade won't go becos too much long term salary we are taking.
> Gaston won't like this. I prefer to go the clippers way - trade for high
> draft picks.
> kevin
>
> W wrote:
>
> > :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
> >
> > Kenny Anderson to NY
> > Knight and Wes Person to Boston
> > Charlie Ward, Eric Williams and Andrew Lang to Cleveland
> >
> > W
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:58:42 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dan Parker <danp@town.ipswich.ma.us>
> Subject: Seattle Box Score
>
> Sorry this is late...
>
> Seattle 94, Boston 91
> February 19, 2000
>
> CELTICS REBOUNDS
> PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
> A. Walker F 47 8-20 1-5 4-4 5 3 8 5 3 1 5 0 21
> Griffin F 32 0-5 0-1 0-0 3 2 5 1 3 3 2 0 0
> Potapenko C 24 7-15 0-0 1-2 1 4 5 1 4 1 2 0 15
> Pierce G 47 7-20 2-7 7-8 0 8 8 3 2 4 2 4 23
> K. G 38 6-12 0-3 4-7 1 1 2 4 3 1 4 0 16
> Anderson
> Fortson 18 1-3 0-0 3-3 4 4 8 1 3 0 2 0 5
> E. 13 1-3 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 3 0 2 0 2
> Williams
> Barros 10 2-2 1-1 0-0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 5
> Battie 7 1-5 0-0 0-0 2 1 3 0 2 0 0 0 2
> McCarty 4 0-1 0-1 2-2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 2
> Ellison DNP - Coach's Decision
> Cheaney DNP - Not with team
> TOTAL 240 33-86 4-18 21-26 17 25 42 16 24 10 20 4 91
> (38.4) (22.2) (80.8) Team Rebs: 10 Total TO: 20 (19
> Pts)
>
> SONICS REBOUNDS
> PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
> Baker F 35 8-14 0-0 1-4 4 4 8 1 4 0 4 1 17
> R. F 26 6-12 0-1 2-2 2 5 7 1 3 2 4 0 14
> Patterson
> Hor. C 36 0-3 0-0 2-2 0 6 6 1 2 0 2 0 2
> Grant
> Payton G 47 12-28 1-5 2-3 0 4 4 9 3 1 1 0 27
> B. Barry G 38 4-7 1-3 1-3 0 8 8 8 3 3 2 0 10
> Lewis 21 2-6 0-1 2-2 2 2 4 1 1 2 2 1 6
> G. Foster 14 4-4 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 3 1 0 1 2 8
> Davis 12 1-4 0-2 0-0 0 2 2 0 3 1 1 0 2
> McCoy 11 4-4 0-0 0-0 2 2 4 0 2 0 1 1 8
> Sh. DNP - Coach's Decision
> Williams
> Stepania DNP - Coach's Decision
> C. Person DNP - Coach's Decision
> TOTAL 240 41-82 2-12 10-16 10 34 44 24 22 9 18 5 94
> (50.0) (16.7) (62.5) Team Rebs: 9 Total TO: 18 (23
> Pts)
>
> SCORE BY PERIOD 1 2 3 4 Total
> Boston 28 21 22 20 91
> Seattle 23 21 25 25 94
>
> Technicals Boston: Anderson
> Disqualifications:
> Officials Tommy Nunez, Jim Kinsey, Monty McCutchen
> Location KeyArena
> Attendance 16,567
> Time 2:05
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:18:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dan Parker <danp@town.ipswich.ma.us>
> Subject: Portland Box Score
>
> Portland 105, Boston 92
> February 21, 2000
>
> CELTICS REBOUNDS
> PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
> A. Walker F 33 11-24 1-5 1-2 1 6 7 2 4 2 4 0 24
> Griffin F 25 3-6 0-0 2-2 3 3 6 2 3 0 2 1 8
> Potapenko C 20 3-10 0-0 0-0 1 2 3 0 4 0 0 1 6
> Pierce G 41 4-14 2-6 4-4 0 5 5 4 5 3 5 1 14
> K. G 36 1-7 1-2 6-6 0 1 1 7 3 2 4 2 9
> Anderson
> E. 30 5-8 0-0 4-5 3 0 3 1 2 1 3 0 14
> Williams
> Fortson 25 3-8 0-0 6-8 8 6 14 0 5 2 3 0 12
> Battie 17 1-5 0-0 0-0 0 2 2 0 2 2 1 0 2
> Barros 13 1-4 0-1 1-1 2 1 3 2 0 0 1 0 3
> McCarty DNP - Coach's Decision
> Ellison DNP - Coach's Decision
> Cheaney DNP
> TOTAL 240 32-86 4-14 24-28 18 26 44 18 28 12 23 5 92
> (37.2) (28.6) (85.7) Team Rebs: 9 Total TO: 23 (24
> Pts)
>
> BLAZERS REBOUNDS
> PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
> R. Wallace F 37 7-10 0-0 2-4 1 6 7 2 2 3 1 2 16
> Pippen F 34 4-8 0-2 4-6 1 2 3 8 1 4 3 0 12
> Sabonis C 25 7-8 0-0 5-5 0 8 8 2 4 1 1 0 19
> St. Smith G 28 5-10 1-2 4-5 1 2 3 1 2 0 2 0 15
> Stoudamire G 27 4-10 0-2 2-2 0 2 2 5 2 2 3 0 10
> Anthony 22 2-8 1-2 0-0 1 3 4 2 2 0 3 0 5
> Wells 20 3-6 0-0 2-2 0 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 8
> J. O'Neal 19 4-7 0-0 6-8 2 4 6 0 2 1 0 3 14
> Schrempf 14 0-3 0-0 3-4 1 2 3 2 2 1 3 0 3
> B. Grant 12 0-2 0-1 3-4 0 1 1 0 5 1 1 1 3
> Kleine 2 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0
> Augmon DNP - Coach's Decision
> TOTAL 240 36-73 2-9 31-40 7 32 39 24 25 13 19 6 105
> (49.3) (22.2) (77.5) Team Rebs: 12 Total TO: 19 (16
> Pts)
>
> SCORE BY PERIOD 1 2 3 4 Total
> Boston 23 20 24 25 92
> Portland 26 23 29 27 105
>
> Technicals Portland: Schrempf
> Disqualifications:
> Officials Joe Forte, David Jones, Hank Armstrong
> Location Rose Garden
> Attendance 20,453
> Time 2:22
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:18:30 -0500
> From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> Subject: Help me!
>
> I'm sick. This trade deadline has me obsessed. I latch onto each rumor and
> pore through stats to see if there's anything about (The Next Stiff Who
Soon
> Will Occupy Time On Our Bench With The Other Stiffs) that should excite
me.
> Tractor Traylor? Like it. Robert Horry? No! Danny Manning? Not without a
> pick. Kurt Thomas, Chris Childs and all the other Knicks garbage? Nooooo!
>
> It's exhausting. Is there a rehab center for this?
>
> Mark
>
> P.S. I do like the Tractor Traylor suggestion. Living in Ohio and a big
OSU
> fan, I saw Traylor play a lot at Michigan. His senior season he was a real
> terror. If it happens, you'll hear the "we traded one big, short PF for
> another big, short PF" but Traylor is no Danny Fortson. The guy I remember
> had really nimble, quick feet and great hands. He's also a legit 6-9, not
> 6-6 like Fortson. He was in the Pierce draft and I remember really hoping
he
> would fall into the Celtics' laps. Anyway, he fell into George Karl's
> doghouse and hasn't been able to get out (something Karl is notorious for
> with big guys). The only big man Karl ever appreciated was Shawn Kemp,
which
> is one reason his teams always flame out in the playoffs. That run and gun
> stuff plays OK in the regular season, but you better be able to bang when
> the playoffs start. My point is, I think Traylor is better than he's shown
> (or has been given the chance to show) and an upgrade over Fortson (Sean
> Marks may have been an upgrade over Fortson). This one gets my stamp of
> approval.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:56:06 -0500
> From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> No, not yet, but the Knicks are an example of how far you can go in this
> weak Eastern Conference. The road to the Championship Banner will come out
> of the West.
>
> At 06:17 AM 2/22/00 PST, you wrote:
> >>From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >>Jesus, I don't have to win a Championship, just let us make
> >>the playoffs. I don't think the 8th spot out of 15 teams is asking too
> >>much.
> >
> >I thought you were waiting until next year to become a Knicks fan. You
> >sound like one already.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >______________________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:50:53 -0800
> From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett@amcity.com>
> Subject: Re: Bowen waived
>
> opi@unesco.org wrote:
>
> > Maybe Paul Allen's pal Bill Gates might want to get into the game and
buy
> > the Boston Celtics. Gates must have a little bit more free time since
> > stepping down as Microsoft chairman.
>
> Follow Gaston's logic with me here. Dick Pond tells the Globe today that
the
> team lost $10 million last year, yet says Gaston "as a business man" has
> declined numerous offers to sell. Hmm, something doesn't seem to square
...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:02:03 +0800
> From: "Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr." <jaims@philonline.com>
> Subject: Fw: Bird not buying Celtics
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr. <jaims@philonline.com>
> To: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 1:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
>
>
> > Well, it may be too much to ask from Pitino as it is so obvious now that
> he
> > couldn't get us "there"(playoffs...how pathetic- whereas before we only
> talk
> > about who we will face in the championship!!!)
> >
> > It's really nice for Bird to "defend" Pitino...but it's odd for me to
hear
> > that considering his talks about hating Pitino lying and Pitino's
system.
> > And it just shows now that Pitino ain't capable!!!
> >
> > I am so tired of losing and considering fans know how many millions he
> > receives just to get us to the lottery land every year!!! Dang if he
> > doesn't step down!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> > To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Bird not buying Celtics
> >
> >
> > > I still wouldn't rule it out entirely, could just be posturing on
> Gaston's
> > > part. It's up to the people and media in Boston to get the message to
> > > Gaston. Maybe empty seats would change his way of thinking.
> > >
> > > Boston is not the market it used to be during and prior to the Bird
era.
> > > NY, LA, Seattle and throw in a few others have grown past Boston
> > Mass.,just
> > > witness the tv exposure. What happens in Boston these days, the Boston
> > > Marathon? Their baseball and hockey teams can't produce a winner, just
> > > teases. It's been a long time and people forget. It's not about
> tradition
> > > anymore. Celt fans talk about it because it's all we have. It's about
> > > winning and money. America loves winners and has no sympathy for
losers.
> > In
> > > short, the Boston Celtics have had in my opinion ample time to develop
a
> > > decent team. Jesus, I don't have to win a Championship, just let us
make
> > > the playoffs. I don't think the 8th spot out of 15 teams is asking too
> > much.
> > >
> > > At 07:23 PM 2/21/00 PST, you wrote:
> > > >>From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > >>Oh well, it was worth the rush. I must admit I'm disappointed.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, you were right on with your earlier post. Bird's comments were
> all
> > > >about generating public opinion for a sale that the owner wouldn't
> > otherwise
> > > >do. I didn't read that article that was posted about it, but I saw
> Bird
> > > >interviewed on TV. He was saying things like, "The Celtics aren't
for
> > sale,
> > > >and the Pacers aren't for sale, so I'm going to Florida". I think
he'd
> > like
> > > >to own either club. We lost him once, it would be a shame to lose
him
> > > >again.
> > > >
> > > >Celtics are Down 17 - 6. Uuugh. I'm going to bed.
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >______________________________________________________
> > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:02:48 +0800
> From: "Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr." <jaims@philonline.com>
> Subject: Re: Help me!
>
> Didn't Tractor enter the NBA as a junior???
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Berry, Mark S <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 1:18 AM
> Subject: Help me!
>
>
> > I'm sick. This trade deadline has me obsessed. I latch onto each rumor
and
> > pore through stats to see if there's anything about (The Next Stiff Who
> Soon
> > Will Occupy Time On Our Bench With The Other Stiffs) that should excite
> me.
> > Tractor Traylor? Like it. Robert Horry? No! Danny Manning? Not without a
> > pick. Kurt Thomas, Chris Childs and all the other Knicks garbage?
Nooooo!
> >
> > It's exhausting. Is there a rehab center for this?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S. I do like the Tractor Traylor suggestion. Living in Ohio and a big
> OSU
> > fan, I saw Traylor play a lot at Michigan. His senior season he was a
real
> > terror. If it happens, you'll hear the "we traded one big, short PF for
> > another big, short PF" but Traylor is no Danny Fortson. The guy I
remember
> > had really nimble, quick feet and great hands. He's also a legit 6-9,
not
> > 6-6 like Fortson. He was in the Pierce draft and I remember really
hoping
> he
> > would fall into the Celtics' laps. Anyway, he fell into George Karl's
> > doghouse and hasn't been able to get out (something Karl is notorious
for
> > with big guys). The only big man Karl ever appreciated was Shawn Kemp,
> which
> > is one reason his teams always flame out in the playoffs. That run and
gun
> > stuff plays OK in the regular season, but you better be able to bang
when
> > the playoffs start. My point is, I think Traylor is better than he's
shown
> > (or has been given the chance to show) and an upgrade over Fortson (Sean
> > Marks may have been an upgrade over Fortson). This one gets my stamp of
> > approval.
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
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