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Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V6 #449
10/31/99
predictions
jim-42 wins, maybe an 8th seed.
jonathan-38 wins, no playoffs
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Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V6 #449
>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Saturday, October 30 1999 Volume 06 : Number 449
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> predictions
> Re: BOB RYAN
> Re: Prediction time!!!
> Re: Prediction time!!!
> Mike Kahn: Calbert Cheaney Worst Sixth Man
> Re: Prediction time!!!
> Prediction
> Spre
> Re: Prediction
> Re: Prediction
> Re: Prediction time!!!
> Jamison V. Odom
> Re: Jamison V. Odom
> Re: Prediction
> Terry Davis
> Celtic tradition, Bob Ryan et. al.
> Prediction...
> follow up prediction
> URL: Orlando Sentinel: C's 7th In Atlantic
> Roland Lazenby: C's Not Making The Playoffs
> David Steele: Pitino Number Two On Coaching Hot Seat
> RE: Prediction time!!!
> Prediction
> prediction
> Re: Prediction
> Looking back to 97-98
> Re: URL: Orlando Sentinel: C's 7th In Atlantic
> Predictions
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:53:48 -0500
> From: Ken Kokubo <klist@harvard.edu>
> Subject: predictions
>
> 42 wins
>
>
> ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Josh Ozersky <josh_ozersky@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: BOB RYAN
>
> I've read practically everything Ryan ever wrote,
> including out of print books like The Pro Game and 48
> Minutes. I actually bought Peter May's awful,
> underreported quick money job "The Last Banner" and
> Shaughnessy's "Evergreen" as well. Ryan is a great
> talent, which as Alex is said makes it even more
> regrettable when he rants. The others aren't anything
> to brag about, and in any case, having written a good
> book hardly makes you immune from criticism. You're
> only as good as the last word you write. The best
> bball book in the last ten years, IMHO, was The Last
> Shot by Darcy Frey, followed up by Unfinished Business
> by Jack McCallum, who gets my vote, along with Tom
> Kertes, for best basketball writer in the business.
>
> - --- Andy Shaw <shaw@transmeta.com> wrote:
> > | From: Gregory Odegaard <grodeg@kalama.com>
> > | Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:21:08 -0700
> > |
> > | Bob Ryan, Peter and Dan are fine writers, always
> > have been. You
> > | critics out there clearly haven't read a single
> > tome from the huge
> > | library of Celtics material that these 3 alone
> > have contributed. Why
> > | not come back here with some respectful opinions
> > once you have. Until
> > | then get over yourselves.
> >
> > Unbelievable.
> >
> > I've read "Evergreen" by Shaughnessy and "Drive" by
> > Bob Ryan.
> >
> > Basically, both of them are sports books written by
> > sports
> > journalists. With few exceptions, sports
> > journalists are not very
> > good book writers. The main exception that comes to
> > mind is John
> > Feinstein. Ryan and Shaughnessy are not exceptions.
> >
> > Sports is great to watch or listen to on the radio,
> > it can be pretty
> > good to read in the paper or magazine, but it's not
> > really prime
> > material for books.
> >
> > As Alex said, Ryan and Shaughnessy (and MacMullen)
> > used to be decent
> > sports writers, but MacMullen's gone, and Ryan and
> > Shaughnessy have
> > gone downhill in a big way. Peter May just plain
> > sucks.
> >
> > I truly do not understand the visceral hatred that
> > Ryan and May seem
> > to have for Walker. Ryan seems to be living in the
> > past. I enjoyed
> > the Bird years, up to the very end, but please, it's
> > been almost 8
> > years. That's probably about the last time I read a
> > good sports
> > column by Bob Ryan. I was living in Japan at the
> > time, and I had a
> > friend send me a copy of the Globe the day that Bird
> > retired, with the
> > special section in it.
> >
> > Why can't sports reporters retire like athletes do,
> > after they're all
> > worn out and have no more good writing in them?
> >
> > -Andy
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:19:51 -0800
> From: damekmo@teleport.com
> Subject: Re: Prediction time!!!
>
> Having gone with 24 wins and 22 wins the last two years, the time has
come:
> 46-36, first round and out.
>
> Paul M.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:52:05 -0400
> From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@usit.net>
> Subject: Re: Prediction time!!!
>
> TJ:
>
> Did you keep up with the predictions we posted a few weeks ago? I don't
> remember mine.
>
> Jonathan Brainin wrote:
>
> > Having just gone through the schedule game by game, I predict
> > that the Celtics will finish with a 43w, 39l record and get the 8th
> > seed in the playoffs.
>
> - --
>
> Bentz Kirby
> bocelts@usit.net
> http://www.public.usit.net/bocelts/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:37:13 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Mike Kahn: Calbert Cheaney Worst Sixth Man
>
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> Based on his foul-proned, offensively woeful pre-season, CBS
> Sportsline's Kubla Kahn may have a point...
>
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>
> Previewing the best and worst of the 1999-00 NBA season
> Oct. 26, 1999
> By Mike Kahn
> SportsLine Executive Editor
>
>
> The countdown has begun for the tip-off of the 1999-2000 NBA season,
which
> means any number of things. <snips>
>
>
> Worst sixth man: Calbert Cheaney, Boston. Cheaney was supposed to be
a
> 10-year NBA starter with defensive acumen, shooting range and
ballhandling
> skills. After all, he was a great player for Bobby Knight at
Indiana. Then
> again, with the exception of Isiah Thomas (who was only there two
years),
> name another four-year player besides Quinn Buckner who played up to
his
> billing in the NBA? At least they all do get good jobs after
graduation.
>
>
>
> Copyright© 1999 SportsLine USA, Inc. All rights reserved.
> CBS "eye device" is a registered trademark of CBS Inc.
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:45:28 +1000
> From: Dave Hastings <hastingd@mail.ocean.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Prediction time!!!
>
> Prediction of 38 wins
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:25:48 +1000
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Prediction
>
> Hey all,
>
> 53 wins.. Conference semi finals losing to the Charlotte Hornets in 6
> tough games.
>
> Antoine Walker to have averages of 20, 8 and 6.
> Kenny Anderson or Tony Battie to win most improved player.
> Rick Pitino to win coach of the year.
>
> Warwick
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:33:12 -0400
> From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@usit.net>
> Subject: Spre
>
> Spre signed a 5 year deal worth about $61 million or so.
>
> http://espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/1029/139469.html
>
> - --
>
> Bentz Kirby
> bocelts@usit.net
> http://www.public.usit.net/bocelts/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:47:41 -0300
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> Subject: Re: Prediction
>
> What? You neglected the most obvious award winner:
>
> The Dreaded Nervous Pervis to win Comeback Player of the Year :-)
>
> Cecil (put me down for 49 wins)
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:25 AM
> Subject: Prediction
>
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > 53 wins.. Conference semi finals losing to the Charlotte Hornets in 6
> > tough games.
> >
> > Antoine Walker to have averages of 20, 8 and 6.
> > Kenny Anderson or Tony Battie to win most improved player.
> > Rick Pitino to win coach of the year.
> >
> > Warwick
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:45:49 +1000
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Prediction
>
> Cecil Wright wrote:
>
> > What? You neglected the most obvious award winner:
> >
> > The Dreaded Nervous Pervis to win Comeback Player of the Year :-)
>
> I dont know.... I mean theres Jayson Williams (if he comes back), Penny
> Hardaway (if the 'real' Penny comes back) and Vin Baker, et al to consider
> for that award too... Perhaps Robert Pack in Dallas.
> W
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:22:28 +1000
> From: "Simon Kean" <skean@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Prediction time!!!
>
> hmmm,
>
> a toughie
>
> 38 wins and just miss the playoffs
>
> Simon Kean
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Hastings <hastingd@mail.ocean.com.au>
> To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Prediction time!!!
>
>
> > Prediction of 38 wins
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:13:24 +1000
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Jamison V. Odom
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just saw the Golden State Warriors Vs. Clippers box score and recap -
> WOW!
>
> Jamison scored 41 (10 rebounds) and Odom scored 28 (11 rebounds) - what
> a display!
>
> W
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 03:20:23 EDT
> From: Georgek27@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Jamison V. Odom
>
> In a message dated 10/30/99 3:16:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> titans@ihug.com.au writes:
>
> << Jamison scored 41 (10 rebounds) and Odom scored 28 (11 rebounds) - what
> a display!
> >>
> There must have been a lively chorus of "Dee-fence, Dee-fence" at that
one!
>
> George
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Josh Ozersky <josh_ozersky@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Prediction
>
> God bless you, warwick. 43 wins. a losing pre break
> record, and then a winning post break record, with
> danny, and Kenny running the uptempo game.
>
> - --- W <titans@ihug.com.au> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > 53 wins.. Conference semi finals losing to the
> > Charlotte Hornets in 6
> > tough games.
> >
> > Antoine Walker to have averages of 20, 8 and 6.
> > Kenny Anderson or Tony Battie to win most improved
> > player.
> > Rick Pitino to win coach of the year.
> >
> > Warwick
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 02:08:07 PDT
> From: "gil moreno" <kuya_g@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Terry Davis
>
> The Magic just waived Terry Davis! The Celts should sign him up and waive
> Conlon. T Davis is no spectacular player but he is definitely an upgrade
> over Conlon especially in the rebounding department (which is something
the
> team needs for them to be competitive).
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:28:45 -0400
> From: "Thomas Murphy" <tfmiii@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Celtic tradition, Bob Ryan et. al.
>
> Hello Dorine,
>
> Let me take this opportunity to say I've always enjoyed your contributions
> to the list and you haven't disappointed this time round. I thought that
> what you had to say was well said and well worth the saying.
>
> I think your contributions in general and this one in particular exemplify
> the value and strengths of a "living tradition" - a community bound by a
> shared adherence to certain principles. A living tradition remains alive
> and flexible because it's adherents understand that there can be room for
> reasonable debate since such principles require adaptation to the
> exigencies of the present moment. A living tradition reflects a positive
> process of people coming together in order to further their shared
> principles. Bill Russell is a good example because he is literally the
> living embodiment of such a tradition centered on the principle of the
team
> concept.
>
> Unfortunately, a tradition can also become calcified. I think one can
> observe this when the term "tradition" is abused by those "defenders" who
> see it as a carte blanche to trumpet their own "virtue" by means of
beating
> up on others. In such situations a tradition no longer remains the site
for
> positive growth by means of exchange of ideas and rather degenerates into
a
> petty, vituperative contest for moral preferment. This negative concept of
> a tradition functions as a means of maintaining one's threatened feelings
> of self-worth through the denigration of others. Under such circumstances
a
> tradition can lose the life - the principled give and take - that sustains
> it and become a mere parody of itself: rigid, moralistic and
> self-righteous. (Trust me - with half of my family descended from the
> Mayflower I've had plenty of opportunity to observe this negative aspect
of
> tradition!)
>
> Now it should be obvious that I don't consider tradition per se to be a
> problem. It should also be obvious that I consider your contributions to
be
> an exemplar of what it takes to maintain a healthy living tradition - the
> kind of tradition that makes it a joy to be a member. Unfortunately some
> others seem to have lost touch with the meaning of a living tradition.
> Let's take Bob Ryan for example; his basic point may be sound (selfish
> basketball is bad basketball) but his means of expressing it obscures the
> validity his perspective has to offer - instead his focus seems to be
> almost entirely and unrelentingly negative, in a peculiarly pompous,
> self-congratulatory and self-righteous way. One comes away thinking that
> Ryan derives more joy than is healthy from the opportunity to bash the
> "undeserving". This presents quite the contrast with Bill Russell, who
> seems much more intent in actually "schooling" Antoine in a positive way -
> and I hardly think that Russell is some push-over!
>
> I have never thought that Ryan was a racist. That question was simply my
> silly ploy for goading Joe Hironaka (and any others he may have convinced)
> to rethink his earlier - and to my mind - baseless and irresponsible
> assertions of racism concerning the source of fan antagonism to Antoine
> Walker. In other words, how was such fan antagonism towards Walker any
> different than Ryan's? As a rule I enjoy everything Joe posts but his
> seemingly cavalier charges of racism in defense of Walker proved to be the
> exception. He and I had a series of amicable exchanges off-line on the
> subject where he told me his own set of truly horrible encounters with
> Boston racists and I tried to point out that although Boston is certainly
> racist, the claim - apparently elevated to the status of gospel over the
> past quarter-century - that Boston is especially racist actually
> perpetuates the comforting (for both "Hahvard types" as well as the rest
of
> the nation) stereotype of the Irish-racist-as-"worst"-racist. It was
> therefore all the more interesting to see in his defense of Bob Ryan that
> Joe inadvertently "de-racinated" the Irish Ryan, as pointed out by Andy
> Shaw, by assimilating him to the "true bleeding-heart Beantown/Hahvard
> liberal type".
>
> Racism, like hate, is a very strong word. I can understand the source of
> Bob Ryan's and the Fleet center fans' frustrations with Walker - even if I
> don't agree with their means of expressing it - and I honestly don't see
> that racism enters into EITHER situation. My spiel on tradition and "youth
> culture" was simply an attempt to explain why such frustrations -
justified
> or not - may sometimes boil over in such viscerally boorish ways.
>
> Best wishes - Tom Murphy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:13:00 +0800
> From: "Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr." <jaims@philonline.com>
> Subject: Prediction...
>
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> List me down under the 32 win season!!!
> It hurts my heart to predict that but...it's really sad but true...that =
> our current lineup won't just cut it
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> really sad but true...that our current lineup won't just cut=20
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:18:57 +0800
> From: "Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr." <jaims@philonline.com>
> Subject: follow up prediction
>
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> List me down under the 32 win season!!!
> It hurts my heart to predict that but...it's really sad but true...that =
> our current lineup won't just cut it
>
> Won't reach the playoffs...again
> Pitino either quits befor season ends or gets kicked out
>
> I really feel awful being this pessimistic but my heart just says so
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>List me down under the 32 win=20
> season!!!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It hurts my heart to predict that =
> but...it's=20
> really sad but true...that our current lineup won't just cut =
> it</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Won't reach the playoffs...again</DIV>
> <DIV>Pitino either quits befor season ends or gets kicked out</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:36:12 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: URL: Orlando Sentinel: C's 7th In Atlantic
>
> Seventh may be a little harsh, but after a malodorous pre-season where
> they only vanquished Utah missing Malone, Altlanta without Mutumbo,
> and Washington with half their team out, it's hard to project a
> high ranking....
>
> http://orlandosentinel.com/sports/magic/m102999_heat29a_17.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:00:27 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Roland Lazenby: C's Not Making The Playoffs
>
> Roland Lazenby
> Pro Sports XChange
> 10/29/99
> <snips>
>
> Denver, Houston, Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta and Boston
> will all be tough to read, mainly because they present a mishmash
> of incomplete rosters and gaping holes
> at key positions. For any of them to succeed would
> require a strong start over the first two months.
>
> Don't see it happening.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:06:20 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: David Steele: Pitino Number Two On Coaching Hot Seat
>
> David Steele
> San Francisco Chronicle
> <snips>
>
> On the Hot Seat
>
> These coaches,
> meanwhile, have the least job security - even the ones who,
> more or less, are their own bosses (like Rick Pitino and Don
> Nelson). Remember, the bosses always have bosses.
>
> 1. Don Nelson, Mavericks. Reputation has gone from mad genius
> to certifiable nut. This edition is nowhere close to contending.
> His young additions include Leon Smith, a high schooler who isn't even
> emotionally ready for college, much less the pros; and Chinese
> import Zhi-Zhi Wang, who continues Nellie's infatuation with
> everything foreign.
>
> 2. Rick Pitino, Celtics. What's he
> accomplished so far that M.L. Carr didn't? Besides throwing
> a ton of money at Antoine Walker and his dangerously inflated
> ego, that is? Of course, who knows dangerously inflated egos
> better than Rick himself?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:24:32 -0500
> From: "Darrell Hatfield" <darrell@greencis.net>
> Subject: RE: Prediction time!!!
>
> 39; I wonder if we will ever see a 50 win season...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:33:00 -0400
> From: "Anne Yates" <bceltics@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Prediction
>
> If Fortson did not go down, I would be more optimistic, but since they
will
> probably have a slow start, I will say.............. 39 wins.
>
> Anne
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:14:49 -0700
> From: "Troy Hash" <troyhash@kih.net>
> Subject: prediction
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> I am an optimist so I say they will win 50 games and get to the 2nd =
> round in playoffs. Troy
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:15:12 EDT
> From: Georgek27@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Prediction
>
> l think l may have posted a prediction several weeks ago but if l did l'm
not
> sure what it was. So this is my *official* prediction:
>
> 47 wins despite a slow start with Danny out
>
> The draft picks start burning a hole in Rick's pocket and he uses them for
a
> big addition possibly packaged with a player other than Walker, Pierce,
> Battie or Fortson.
>
> We lose to the Heat in the conference finals in 6 tough games, serving
notice
> that the torch is being passed.
>
> George
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:20:53 EDT
> From: Alex Wang <awang@mit.edu>
> Subject: Looking back to 97-98
>
> I've talked about how I feel that a better comparison for this upcoming
> season is the relatively successful 97-98 season rather than the
> disappointing lockout-influenced 98-99 season. Here are a few things
> that I'm reminded of as I look back.
>
> 1. The abysmal preseason. Judging by the 1-7 preseason that year, you
> might think that the Celtics would win about 15 games. Even the one
> win came after Chris Mills' breakthrough game, 7-9 from the field for
> 19 points, after which he was traded, so you could argue by "Ray
> reasoning" that it wasn't really a victory. The point is that the
> preseason record means nothing. We could just as easily have won
> the OT Charlotte game and the one point losses to Utah and Washington
> and have finished 6-2 in the preseason. It just gives the coaches time
> to tinker and the fans a chance to get a preview of the players and
> the team, but the record means nothing. Personally, I watched a couple
> of the games on tape (and will watch a few more this weekend) and came
> away pretty optimistic, and those were games without Fortson.
>
> 2. A superior home record. The Celtics were a 24-17 team at home in
> 97-98 and 12-29 away from home. Compare that with last year where
> they had a 10-15 record at home and 9-16 away - a one win home court
> advantage that was the worst in the league. I would guess that the
> reason was conditioning; when you are an uptempo, pressing team like
> the 97-98 Celtics, the home court is going to make a big difference
> because the home team tends to be better rested and can feast on teams
> on those 6 game road trips. On the other hand, when you are not in
> great shape, like the 98-99 Celtics, and furthermore have the fans
> booing your top player constantly, you are not going to get that
> home court edge. I believe that Pitino's second year Knicks team had
> a great home record. And how many true home games have the Celtics
> had this preseason? Two, I believe, and they were 1-1, losing to
> that very strong Charlotte team. I think the home court will be an
> advantage again this year because the team has depth, is in shape,
> and will press often.
>
> 3. Playoff contention. The Celtics were in playoff contention until
> mid-March 98 when a six game skid ended any chances of a postseason spot.
> The current Celtics just have to stay in contention until Fortson is
> back at full strength and he should provide the boost for them to
> cruise into the playoffs. Even without Fortson, they are a deeper
> and more experienced team that the 97-98 team. The important potential
> difference will be Walker's play: can he return to his double-double
> form on 97-98? If not, can Pierce step up to the All-Star level?
> Or can Anderson become a premier point guard again? We really just need
> one player to take his game up a notch.
>
> Alex
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:28:33 EDT
> From: Georgek27@aol.com
> Subject: Re: URL: Orlando Sentinel: C's 7th In Atlantic
>
> In a message dated 10/30/99 9:31:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> wayray@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
> << Seventh may be a little harsh, but after a malodorous pre-season where
> they only vanquished Utah missing Malone, Altlanta without Mutumbo,
> and Washington with half their team out, it's hard to project a
> high ranking.... >>
> Leave it to an Orlando paper to pick their sorry club over the Celts -
maybe
> if Bo Orlando leads the league in scoring. If preseason is any indication
> (which I don't think is the case) then the Knicks should be dead last
since I
> think they squeaked out 1 win and were spanked a few times.
>
> George
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 08:02:39 +1100
> From: "Patterson" <apatt@hawknet.com.au>
> Subject: Predictions
>
> Put me down for 43 hard fought wins. Well maybe a few blowouts.
>
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