Re: Walker, PJ Brown, Mashburn

[Sherry & Hart <hartleyo@ix.netcom.com>]

I live in Miami and I will tell you this if Pitino trades Walker for PJ
Brown and Mashburn, Pat Riley will kiss Pitino's ass in South Beach!
They can't wait to dump these 2 guys, one (Mashburn) is always hurt and
the other guy's best years are behind him and for Walker yet, they will
erect a statue of Riley here in front of the new arena they are
building.

Regards,
Hart



j.hironaka@unesco.org wrote:
> 
> Alex Wang wrote:
> 
> > Some notes on the rumored Walker for PJ Brown and Mashburn trade.
> >
> > 1) According to onhoops.com, PJ Brown made $3.8M last year and is
> > signed through 2003. Mashburn made $4.4M last year and is signed
> > through 2001. If Mark Strickland is included, he is a minimum-wager
> > who is signed through the end of this season. (etc...)
> 
> Alex is the man for balanced, rational analysis. I'm not.    :-)
> 
> PJ Brown turns 30 after this (rebuilding) season, so he could be a
> marginal factor by the time our Celtics are in championship contention
> again (I still believe they will be soon). He's also a career .449FG
> shooter, which is not so hot for a guy whose man double teams someone
> else. BTW, he's a career 7.2 rebouder while Antoine Walker is a career
> 20ppg and 9.6 rebound guy (who turns 23 next August). In some ways, the
> Pedro Martinez for Carl Pavano baseball trade made more sense to me. At
> least Montreal was getting a prospect with an "upside" in return. This
> is like the reverse (a young superstar for an aging nobody). The Celtics
> might as well throw in southpaw pitcher Babe Ruth.
> 
> And if you want to argue that this trade's all about "team chemistry"
> rather than pure talent, then why bring in another hotdog gunner like
> Mashburn (career .414FG shooter). The guy sees a high percentage shot
> opportunity the second he sits up in bed each morning. If the Celtics
> are lucky enough to add Jason Kidd and Jim Jackson to the mix, we might
> have just enough talent to compete with those great Dallas Mavericks
> lottery teams of the early 90s. The other "team chemistry" problem is
> the glut of small forwards. Either Ron or Paul (not to mention Bruce or
> Walter) better learn to sit down and shut up for 25 minutes a game,
> while Pitino-pet Mashburn guns away for 40 minutes a night.
> 
> Unless Miami's fans are butt-picking morons, they presently have all
> fingers and toes crossed hoping this nutty rumor is true. They will get
> a ferociously competitive young All Star rebounding machine for a guy
> (Mashburn) who had nothing to do with Miami's success last year. I'll
> bet most Heat fans don't even know or CARE that Mashburn is still a
> member of their team. Pierce for Mashburn is barely conceivable. Walker
> for PJ is ludicrous.
> 
> The best part for "El Greasy One" Riley is that he'll do all this at the
> expense of not just a moronic and inferior division rival, but the once
> proud Boston Celtics franchise.  It will come back to haunt the Celtics
> for at least 10-15 years. The leprechaun will probably say "to heck with
> this Boston traffic" and move down with 'Toine to sunny Miami. We'll all
> be dead before this curse is lifted. Our kids will be dead. Our cities
> and farmland will turn to dust. (Of course snide, simpering Peter May
> could care less how the Celtics do, since he's too busy bad-mouthing
> every present-day NBA player other than Keith Van Horn and Tim Duncan).
> 
> I know some guys whom I really respect on this list think this trade is
> the best we can do under the circumstances. I also sense that they are
> predicating this trade on the chance of simultaneously getting
> Olowokandi even up for Paul Pierce, or getting Mark Strickland (who BTW
> is not part of any rumoured trade package I've heard so far). I hope
> that's the case.
> 
> Otherwise, I say this trade stinks. And I really hope Jeremy Warren and
> Dan Forant (etc.)are right that a Walker trade won't happen. Even if
> they can't sign Walker after he plays out his contract, I say fine. At
> least we'll have a clearer picture by the end of this season what his
> actual market price is and what we've got in him in terms of talent.
> Plus I'll bet we can get Mashburn for next to nothing in a couple of
> years.
> 
> Okay, next post I'll tell you all how I REALLY feel about trading Toine.
> :-)   I guess I've been pretty one-track lately.
> 
> Joe Hironaka
> 
> p.s. There are a lot of big slow guys over here in Europe who are great
> outside shooters (I mean great). It's like the NBA in the days of Barry
> (not "Jon"), Westphal, Petrie, Bill Bradley etc.
> 
> ****