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- Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #19
- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:51:35 -0500 (EST)
I have tried several times to get off the list with no luck. Please take
me off.
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com wrote:
>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest Saturday, 18 January 1997
> Volume 04 : Number 019
>
> In this issue:
>
> Laettner
> Re: Antoine's Game
> Re: Leatner
> Walker
> Dr. J
> Jerry West
> Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #18
> Re: next year will be something
> What a Farce
> Re: Red and Russell
> Re: Page
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:29:53 -0500
> Subject: Laettner
>
> Dorine:
>
> My point is that we need someone with the arrogance. Do you not think
> that Bird and McHale were arrogant? Bird was a notorious trash talker
> who just did it under his breath. Ainge was arrogant too. Laettner has
> that same quality and just hates to lose. I haven't heard anything
> about him whining now that he is out of MN and is winning. He expects
> 110% every play and gives the same. I think he could kick Walker in the
> tail and get him playing every night and not just when the stars are
> properly aligned and his mood is correct. (Walker may become the Axel
> Rose of the NBA, uuuuhhh coach, I am not in the mood to play tonight.
> I'll just wait til the second half to see if the vibes are right then.)
>
> Laettner's attitude is one that was born of winning and gave him the
> desire to want the ball and make that shot at the end of the KY game in
> the NCAA's. Who on the Celtics has that attitude now. Answer, noone.
> Laettner's attitude is not one like Jim Jackson, Isaih Rider, etc.
>
> Besides, he knows how to play team ball.
>
> That is all.
>
> Bentz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Starke R. Farrell" <sfarrell@dixie-net.com>
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:36:38 -0600
> Subject: Re: Antoine's Game
>
> Almost right is still wrong. wrote:
> >
> > >Am I the only person who has noticed how bad Antoine is playing recently?
> >
> > This is odd. I thought he had been playing better lately. Granted I haven't
> > seen but one of two of the last half-dozen games or so, but when I saw him he
> > was looking better.
> >
> > > None of the celtics media outlets have mentioned it. Aside from his uneven
> > >free throw shooting, he is blowing layups, putbacks, open jumpers -- even his
> > >little bank shot misses the rim. Worse stilll, he is losing his dribble
> > >right and left.
> >
> > Very true, but he's been doing this since day one. To me, it hasn't suddenly
> > gotten any worse.
> >
> > >He beats his man whenever he wants to, but he can't seem to
> > >buy a basket. What is going on? Is it just nerves? And what is with all
> > >this weak shit Antoine is bringing to the basket, finger rolls, left handed
> > >half hooks, etc.?
> >
> > I would think nerves would have worn off by now. At this point it looks like
> > the best Antoine could develop into is a Dominique Wilkins-like player. Great
> > speed, quickness, can get 7-9 boards, streaky shooter. He takes threes but
> > doesn't have the range, brings the ball up the court a lot but doesn't have
> > the control. He seems to have a nice passing touch. To me, the defining
> > moment of which way Antoine's career will blow will be in the off-season.
> > Will he work on his range and ball-control or eat cheesecake a la Eric
> > Williams?
> >
> > He's putting up nice numbers, but they're just that - numbers. I've never
> > had the sense that has was anywhere near taking control of a game. He
> > certainly doesn't look like a franchise player, but there's no reason he
> > couldn't be a key piece to the puzzle.
> >
> > There have been grumlbings about his attitude, but he seems to be taking the
> > Celtics's losing situation well - I thought he'd be more discouraged by now
> > but he seems to still play with a lot of hustle and enthusiasm. He also
> > hasn't complained about playing center which is a good sign.
> >
> > Yes, he's extremely young, but again, the best I can see him developing into
> > is Dominique in his prime.
> >
> What exactly do you guys expect? AW is a mere 20 years old. Do you
> think Birdy was playing his best at 20? Walker has the ability to
> develop into a premier player, maybe even more. That all depends on his
> coaching and desire. AW has shown tremendous instinct and ability.
> This has to be developed and honed. Let's hold off on the premature
> judgements and predictions. Patience, my fellow fans.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: David Gamble <ope@pemberton.magnolia.net>
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:57:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: Leatner
>
> The bottom line with Laettner is that he is a winner. Sure he played
> for Minnesota, but as an individual he does what it takes to win. I
> don't think, though, Lenny Wilkins will be interested in trading him.
> First of all, the Hawks are playing too well to experiment with
> changes. Secondly, I think Wilkins is a fan of Laettner's game.
> Wishful thinking never hurt anyone. Duncan and Van Horn in the draft.
>
> Ope
>
> Dorine Pratt wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure how to spell Christian's last name. Have never liked him,
> > he was supposed to be such a hot shot, but acted like a spoiled brat in
> > my observation. However, have to admit he is playing well for the
> > Hawks. Just saw a piece about the Hawks, I think it was on ESPN last
> > night. They're going great right now and doubt very much if they'd part
> > with him, because he's an important part of their current success. Just
> > my opinion, but I still believe there's a Celtic Type of player and he's
> > not the type. Can't afford to be fussy I know, at this point in time,
> > but I'd rather pick someone a bit less arrogant, even if we could get
> > him.
> > Dorine
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:52:09 -0500
> Subject: Walker
>
> If anyone is interested, there is a chat with Antoine Walker at
> www.nba.com. I just found it and have not read it. But if it merits
> any further review, I shall return. If someone else has already
> mentioned this, I apologize for the repetition.
>
> Bentz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:00:20 -0500
> Subject: Dr. J
>
> The chat with Dr. J is better than Walker's. But Walker's is
> interesting and he "says" the right things.
>
> Peace,
>
> Bentz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:03:44 -0500
> Subject: Jerry West
>
> Sorry for the multiple posts, but I am surfing throught the NBA site at
>
> http://www.nba.com/
>
> As a young Celtic fan, I hated the Lakers and Jerry West. And I knew
> that West was a great player. But, I did not realize that for his
> career, he AVERAGED 29.1 ppg. Now that is an awesome stat.
>
> But, hey, the Celtics won!
>
> Bentz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Andrew E. Friedman" <aefriedm@mailbox.syr.edu>
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:37:00 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #18
>
> I recieved one share of stock from my brother for Chanukah. I agree it is
> nothing more than a nice souvenir (that I definitely wanted.) My last
> dividend was one dollar... Andy
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com wrote:
>
> >
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest Saturday, 18 January 1997
> > Volume 04 : Number 018
> >
> > In this issue:
> >
> > A couple of questions.
> > Celtics stock
> > Has this been posted yet?
> > Re: A couple of questions.
> > (no subject)
> > Future
> > Salary cap yet again
> > Celtics / Heat game
> > Re: Future
> > Leatner
> > Re: Page
> > RE: Antoine's Game
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: allitchy@cland.net
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:58:28 -0800
> > Subject: A couple of questions.
> >
> > Recently, a friend and I were discussing NBA salaries. Does anyone know
> > much money a player makes on a 10-day contract?
> >
> > Also caught some highlights of the Miami game last night. Was the
> > Walker "bounce pass" to Barros really a pass? Or was it a lucky
> > bounce? Anyone who saw the game would know what I'm talking about. If
> > it was a pass, then I am truely impressed.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Adam "Draft anyone but Koul" Litchy
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: BWAREHAM@mpr.org
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:02:00 -0600 (CST)
> > Subject: Celtics stock
> >
> > I'm a reporter at Minnesota Public Radio examining the Minnesota Twins
> > offer of 49-percent of team to the public in exchange for stadium
> > financing.
> >
> > One possibility is that the equity might be offered up as public stock,
> > similiar to the Celtics stock. Now, I've heard from a couple folks that
> > Celtics stock makes a nice souvenier, but not a particularly good
> > investment. Are there any financial professionals/Celtics fans out there
> > who could confirm or deny the stock's value? Please respond privately to
> > bwareham@mpr.org
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Bill Wareham
> >
> >
> > | Bill Wareham | Internet: bwareham@mpr.org |
> > | | Voice: 612-290-1462 |
> > | Reporter/Producer | FAX: 612-290-1295 |
> > | Minnesota Public Radio | |
> > | 45 East 7th Street | |
> > | St. Paul, MN 55101 | Reporters have no opinions. |
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: chrisl@mjr.com (Chris Littlefield)
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 13:51:40 -0500
> > Subject: Has this been posted yet?
> >
> > This may be of interest to people, and I'm sorry if it's already been posted:
> >
> > THE OLDEST RIVALRY IN BASKETBALL JUST HIT THE NET!
> > ==================================================
> > The New York Times on the Web and Boston.com bring you a unique interactive
> > site devoted to the 50 year rivalry between the Knicks and the Celtics.
> > Basketball fans won't want to miss "Knicks/Celtics: One-on-One." As the
> > NBA marks its 50th anniversary, these two teams - the only teams remaining
> > in their original cities since the very first season - are matched up
> > one-on-one on the World Wide Web. The site will feature:
> >
> > - - Top moments from both teams' histories chosen by sportswriters from
> > The New York Times and The Boston Globe
> > - - Interactive photo gallery of the greatest games and players
> > - - 360-degree images of the Fleet Center and Madison Square Garden
> > - - Chat and message boards
> > - - Video clips of highlights from the teams' histories
> > - - 50 years of statistics for creating your own side-by-side comparisons
> > - - Interactive quizzes, crosswords and polls
> >
> > Step onto the court: http://newyork.boston.com
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: ChomS@tiac.net (Steve Chomicz)
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:57:55 GMT
> > Subject: Re: A couple of questions.
> >
> > The bounce pass was a mistake. It hit his foot and bounced over to
> > Barros. At first I thought it was a great showtime pass then in slow
> > mo you see it hit his foot. Another example of his dribbling
> > deteriorating.
> >
> > - -steve
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:58:28 -0800, you expressed these thoughts:
> >
> > >Recently, a friend and I were discussing NBA salaries. Does anyone know
> > >much money a player makes on a 10-day contract? =20
> > >
> > >Also caught some highlights of the Miami game last night. Was the
> > >Walker "bounce pass" to Barros really a pass? Or was it a lucky
> > >bounce? Anyone who saw the game would know what I'm talking about. If
> > >it was a pass, then I am truely impressed.
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >Adam "Draft anyone but Koul" Litchy
> > >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > The Boston Celtics will hang banner #17 in the FleetCenter by 2001!
> > You Can't Keep A Good Leprechaun Down forever...
> > http://www.tiac.net/users/ChomS/celtics.html
> >
> > I've broken on through to the other side...
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: "Scott P. Krause" <spkrause@fgd.cummins.com>
> > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:18:13 -0800
> > Subject: (no subject)
> >
> > When you guys get a chance, you have to go to www.nba.com, and vote in
> > the Tournament of champions. The '86 C's are facing the '96 Bulls, and
> > the final winner is announced at All-Star weekend. Vote for the C's and
> > vote often! We wouldn't want to affirm national perceptions of the Bulls
> > and Jordan being a better than our Celtics. Forward this to all Celtics
> > fans.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:31:07 -0500
> > Subject: Future
> >
> > Recently someone had a good post about the future of the Celtics and
> > made the comment that ML is doing a good job. In a bizarre way, I want
> > to echo those sentiments. I believe that exactly what the front office
> > wants to happen is happening. My guess is this:
> >
> > 1. ML will coach this year and maybe one more. The length of time will
> > depend upon the results of the draft and the progress made by DJ.
> >
> > 2. DJ is being trained by KC as the real coach. (This initial trend
> > might be disturbing.)
> >
> > 3. The hope is that we will get Duncan in the draft. We then will have
> > a good core with Wesley, Walker, Williams (this W trend might be
> > disturbing) and Duncan. Dino will be good offense and some rebounding
> > off the bench.
> >
> > 4. About the time DJ will be ready to take over as coach, this team will
> > be coming together. Also, Larry will move up in the front office
> > because of his relationship with DJ.
> >
> > 5. While Dana will also be good offense off the bench, and Todd Day will
> > be a good 10 or 11 man on the bench, the team will still need a valid
> > point guard and dependable players.
> >
> > 6. The missing ingredient is the requisite "Tough competitor" who wants
> > the ball in his hands and is a leader. Therefore, I suggest the
> > following two trades which will fill all needs except for the point
> > guard. That need should be addressed with a first round draft choice.
> >
> > A. First, trade for Christian Lattner. He is a leader, who you may not
> > like, but can and will take and make the big shot. He has that fearless
> > attitude that the Celtics lack.
> >
> > B. Second, trade for Jamie Watson of Utah. He can play the two or
> > three spot, can score, can jump, and does not create problems. Not to
> > mention the fact that he can play defense.
> >
> > That would give the Celtics the nine core players they need, add in a
> > point guard, together with a Joe Klein--Scott Wedman type and you have a
> > team that can contend for it all. And, ML will have done his job
> > exactly as it was planned.
> >
> > At least, with everything that is going on, I hope the plan is something
> > like this and what we see on the Court is not what is the core that we
> > really want to see.
> >
> > Also, with the first round picks the Celtics have, does that not make it
> > difficult for us to make a trade. I am sure that anyone who takes Dee
> > Brown, or some others will only do so if they get draft picks. Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Bentz
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: lamphier@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Marc Lamphier)
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:19:00 +0900
> > Subject: Salary cap yet again
> >
> > At 10:31 PM 97.1.17 -0500, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
> >
> > >Also, with the first round picks the Celtics have, does that not make it
> > >difficult for us to make a trade. I am sure that anyone who takes Dee
> > >Brown, or some others will only do so if they get draft picks. Just a
> > >thought.
> > >
> > >Bentz
> >
> > I remember this came up before. In theory, could the Celts simply release
> > Dee and swallow his salary? If they did so would his salary still count
> > aginst the salary cap? If remember correctly, the answer to the latter
> > question was yes -- Dee's salary would still count against the cap, thus it
> > makes no sense simply releasing him.
> >
> > However, when the Knicks traded Charles Smith to the Spurs they also agreed
> > to pay part of his salary. This was the incentive the Spurs needed to agree
> > to the trade. My understanding is that the Knicks did this to free up room
> > under the cap. This is from Peter May's column:
> >
> > ********
> > [Peter May, Boston Globe]
> >
> > The Knicks started their overhaul by moving Charles Smith to San Antonio
> > for J.R. Reid and Brad Lohaus. Smith was, like Brown, Radja and Barros,
> > presumed to be untradeable because of a huge, long-term salary. The Knicks
> > offered to pay Smith's salary, knowing that San Antonio, already committed
> > deeply to David Robinson and Sean Elliott and not a top revenue producer,
> > would welcome the move. In addition, the Spurs will not be in a position to
> > get under the salary cap for years, so Smith's salary was immaterial as
> > long as they weren't paying it. That is perfectly allowable under NBA
> > rules.
> >
> > What could Boston do? The object is to find a team that can use a player
> > you have and, if you have to get a player in return, which usually is the
> > case, then make sure the new player is (a) serviceable and (b) on the final
> > year of his contract.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > The Celtics could then offer one of their players, continue to pay his
> > salary, and in return receive some short-term help. Impossible you say?
> > That's what everyone told the Knicks when they were trying to move Smith.
> >
> > ``There are teams out there willing to do just that,'' Checketts said. ``No
> > one wanted Charles Smith. But we found a spot for him. But you have to be
> > creative.''
> >
> > And you have to have the money. The Knicks are owned by ITT. Riley has a
> > budgetless basketball operation in Miami. The Celtics have the money to
> > absorb such a hit, too.
> >
> > *********
> >
> > Have I missed something here? If you release a player and continue to pay
> > his salary it still counts against the cap, but if you trade a player an
> > agree to continue to pay his salary it does not count against the cap?
> >
> > Could the Celts move a few players out AND free up salary under the cap by
> > agreeing to pay the salary of the traded player?
> >
> > - -Marc
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Michael Jacobs <myfrog@gate.net>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:23:35 -0500 (EST)
> > Subject: Celtics / Heat game
> >
> > After watching the Celtics / Heat game thursday night, I came away more
> > confussed than ever. What the hell is ML Carr all about? What a loser. He
> > should be giving MAJOR minutes to Szabo and Conlon. They are the future of the
> > team, not Fox, Brown or Barros. Walker doesn't look as good as he should
> > because he's playing out of position. Szabo and Conlon both have the desire and
> > hustle to play big time. Its amazing how good they can look with such limited
> > playing time. IMO, Brett Szabo could develope into a really fine PF. If he
> > gained 40 more pounds, the #5 position could be his. Since the season is a wash
> > anyway, ML should take the opportunity to play the life out of Szabo and
> > Conlon. Also, and this is a very big point, the Celtics brass had better get
> > into gear and re-sign Wesley to a hugh contract before we lose him to another
> > team. Wesley could be the best PG since D.J. He sure was Mr. Clutch against the
> > Heat. After seeing Wesley's performance, losing to the Heat wasn't as bad.
> > MJ / in FLA
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: M.J.Gill@uea.ac.uk (Matthew Gill)
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:53:44 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Future
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:31:07 -0500, you wrote:
> > >6. The missing ingredient is the requisite "Tough competitor" who wants
> > >the ball in his hands and is a leader. Therefore, I suggest the
> > >following two trades which will fill all needs except for the point
> > >guard. That need should be addressed with a first round draft choice.
> > >
> > > A. First, trade for Christian Lattner. He is a leader, who you may not
> > >like, but can and will take and make the big shot. He has that fearless
> > >attitude that the Celtics lack.
> > >
> > > B. Second, trade for Jamie Watson of Utah. He can play the two or
> > >three spot, can score, can jump, and does not create problems. Not to
> > >mention the fact that he can play defense.
> >
> > I agree that both these trade would be good, as Lattner is playing
> > really well since he moved to his true position PF. And I really like
> > what I've heard of Watson, but I am wondering what we would have to
> > give up to get either, I mean for Lattner Dino + someone else at
> > least, of mybe Dino + a first round pick, but do we want to give this
> > up?
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Mat.
> > **************************************************************
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:53:15 -0600
> > Subject: Leatner
> >
> > I'm not sure how to spell Christian's last name. Have never liked him,
> > he was supposed to be such a hot shot, but acted like a spoiled brat in
> > my observation. However, have to admit he is playing well for the
> > Hawks. Just saw a piece about the Hawks, I think it was on ESPN last
> > night. They're going great right now and doubt very much if they'd part
> > with him, because he's an important part of their current success. Just
> > my opinion, but I still believe there's a Celtic Type of player and he's
> > not the type. Can't afford to be fussy I know, at this point in time,
> > but I'd rather pick someone a bit less arrogant, even if we could get
> > him.
> > Dorine
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: jwt2@lehigh.edu (jwt2@lehigh.edu)
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:23:37 EST
> > Subject: Re: Page
> >
> > >>
> > >> Forget about him...with Iverson gone he feels he needs to take over to
> > >make up
> > >> for all the bad shots and turnovers that Iverson was responsible for last
> > >> year. He's a sucessful college payer but right now his game is way too
> > >raw
> > >> for the NBA.
> > >>
> > >> Jeff
> > >
> > >I remember them saying the same thing about Iverson 2 years ago.
> > >
> > >John
> >
> > So, what's your point? They could say the same thing about Iverson now and it
> > would be true. He's leading the league in turnovers, and the team who he's
> > running the show for is the worst in the NBA.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: "Almost right is still wrong." <DANP@accint.com>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:16:18 -0500 (EST)
> > Subject: RE: Antoine's Game
> >
> > >Am I the only person who has noticed how bad Antoine is playing recently?
> >
> > This is odd. I thought he had been playing better lately. Granted I haven't
> > seen but one of two of the last half-dozen games or so, but when I saw him he
> > was looking better.
> >
> >
> > > None of the celtics media outlets have mentioned it. Aside from his uneven
> > >free throw shooting, he is blowing layups, putbacks, open jumpers -- even his
> > >little bank shot misses the rim. Worse stilll, he is losing his dribble
> > >right and left.
> >
> > Very true, but he's been doing this since day one. To me, it hasn't suddenly
> > gotten any worse.
> >
> >
> > >He beats his man whenever he wants to, but he can't seem to
> > >buy a basket. What is going on? Is it just nerves? And what is with all
> > >this weak shit Antoine is bringing to the basket, finger rolls, left handed
> > >half hooks, etc.?
> >
> > I would think nerves would have worn off by now. At this point it looks like
> > the best Antoine could develop into is a Dominique Wilkins-like player. Great
> > speed, quickness, can get 7-9 boards, streaky shooter. He takes threes but
> > doesn't have the range, brings the ball up the court a lot but doesn't have
> > the control. He seems to have a nice passing touch. To me, the defining
> > moment of which way Antoine's career will blow will be in the off-season.
> > Will he work on his range and ball-control or eat cheesecake a la Eric
> > Williams?
> >
> > He's putting up nice numbers, but they're just that - numbers. I've never
> > had the sense that has was anywhere near taking control of a game. He
> > certainly doesn't look like a franchise player, but there's no reason he
> > couldn't be a key piece to the puzzle.
> >
> > There have been grumlbings about his attitude, but he seems to be taking the
> > Celtics's losing situation well - I thought he'd be more discouraged by now
> > but he seems to still play with a lot of hustle and enthusiasm. He also
> > hasn't complained about playing center which is a good sign.
> >
> > Yes, he's extremely young, but again, the best I can see him developing into
> > is Dominique in his prime.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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> From: Jason Drisko <drisko@ics.com>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:58:43 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: next year will be something
>
> [Glenn Han wrote]
>
> > 2 through the draft (maybe not immediate impact players)
> > b. forward (keith vanhorn would be awesome)
>
>
> Glenn,
>
> We're you the same guy who thought Michael Smith was an awesome draft
> choice back in 1989? Every time I see Van Horn play all I can think of is
> the second coming of Michael Smith. All offense, zero defense. The last
> thing this team needs is another guy playing Matador Defense (ole!). Let's
> try and find someone who has more to contribute.
>
>
> Laytah,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Jeremy P. Ryan" <jeryan@mailbox.syr.edu>
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:43:50 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: What a Farce
>
> I cannot believe that there are that many idiots out there who think that
> the '96 Bulls would beat the '86 Celtics by such a wide margin (approx.
> 70%-30%). If you look down the rosters, it is a hell of a lot more even
> than that....
>
> PG-Johnson over Harper
> SG-Jordan over Ainge
> SF-Bird over Pippen
> PF-McHale over moron
> C- Parish over Longley
>
> DJ and Harper are very close in my book, but DJ gets it because of his
> experience. Jordan kills Danny in nearly every aspect of the game. Larry
> and Scottie would have problems guarding each other, but Larry is a
> superior player in the clutch. Kevin would manhandle camera-boy, and the
> Chief would run circles around Quasi Modo.
>
> Bench-Walton, Wedman, Kite, Roberts, Shicting (whatever) over
> Kukoc, Kerr, Caffey, Brown, Buechler
>
> Other than Walton and Kukoc, the benches are pretty lame.
>
> I'm sure that you guys agree with me. What do y'all think?
>
>
> - -Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: jpacuska@epix.net
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:35:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: Red and Russell
>
> Nunnally, John wrote:
> >
> > Just a little story...
> >
> > I live in DC and went to a presentation at the Smithsonian Museum tonight
> > that featured a "roundtable discussion" with Red Auerbach, Bill Russell,
> > David Stern, Billy Cunningham and Marty Glickman (longtime Knicks
> > broadcaster) celebrating the NBA at 50 thing.
> >
> > It was basically Red telling stories about his entire reign in Boston and he
> > was brilliant. Russell told some great stories, and Cunningham and Stern
> > chimed in as well, but Red just told hilarious story after hilarious story.
> > As he neared the end of each one, he'd all of a sudden change the subject
> > and say "which reminds me of another time, when...." The rest of the panel
> > and the entire audience was cracking up the whole two hours.
> >
> > I don't live in Boston and am not exactly a Celtic expert, but one of the
> > more interesting stories he told was about his famous victory cigar. I am a
> > huge (and fairly longtime) NBA fan, but had never heard about the
> > origination of his cigar. He said he used to watch some coaches who were
> > winning by 20 points with a minute left in the game and they would be
> > ranting and raving and calling plays etc... Red said he would always yell
> > "The game's over for crissakes, sit down!" So he decided that to show how
> > ridiculous these guys were, he wanted to look as relaxed as humanly possible
> > when the game was "over" and so he came up with leaning back in his chair
> > and lighting up a cigar.
> >
> > Russell's highlight was a bunch of stories about his yearly contract
> > negotiations that were a riot.
> >
> > Anyway, it was just a night of reminiscing and reliving old memories and it
> > was completely delightful. Just thought I'd share.
> >
> > -- Nunn
>
> Anybody know where we can get a transcript of the evening? I'd love to
> get one.
>
> Joe.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: jwt2@lehigh.edu (jwt2@lehigh.edu)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:16:12 EST
> Subject: Re: Page
>
> John Lyell wrote:
>
> >Yes, but I think a lot of Celtic fans would love to have him & his
> >potential, maybe I'm wrong. I sure as hell would take him over Walker, he
> >is a player that can seriously push the ball up the floor, get hot and
> >shoot the lights out, and as you stated get sloppy also. But I would take
> >the down side with the good.
>
> Well, i sure wouldn't want Iverson running the point for my team. Maybe i'd
> take him as a 2 guard (although at his height that would be a stretch), but he
> hasn't shown me that he can be an true point guard at the NBA level. Even at
> the college level he wasn't a true point guard. Don't get fooled by his
> points per game average or the highlights you see on sportscenter. My college
> is in the Philly TV market so i see sixers games a lot. Iverson makes bad
> decisions and plays out of control too much.
>
> To contrast, look what Stephon Marbury is doing in Minnesota. He may not
> average as many points per game as Iverson, or even as many assists as Iverson,
> but he takes care of the ball and has an amazing understanding of the game.
> As a result, he makes less mistakes and better decisions and it has shown in
> the team's record. While Philly once again has one of the worst records in
> the league, the T-wolves are in position to actually make the playoffs.
>
> >1 star player (or 3 as Dallas has learned) does not make a successful team
> >in the NBA. Chemistry is the key, taking a couple of stars & building a
> >good supporting cast that works good together as Chicago & Houston have,
> >and the Lakers & Miami are hoping to do. It is usually the role players
> >the Cedric Maxwell's, Walton's, Sichting's, Paxson's, Kucoc's, Elie's,
> >Cassell's that have put the good teams over the top, along with a lot of
> >help from the stars of course.
>
> These are all good points. I think that Philly has the type of role player
> that you are talking about in Clarence Weatherspoon. It will take some time
> for the team to gel, but still there's really no good excuse for them to be
> playing as bad as they are with the players they have.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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