[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #260



- ----------
> From: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
<Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com>
> To: Celtics-Digest@igtc.com
> Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #260
> Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 1:53 AM
> 
> 
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
>  Friday, August 8 1997 Volume 04 : Number 260
> 
> 
> 
> In this issue:
> 
> 	Re: Announcers
> 	Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #259
> 	announcers
> 	Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #259
> 	Re: Announcers
> 	Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #259
> 	Billups article
> 	Commentators...
> 	Fox
> 	Predictions
> 	Announcers
> 	re:Announcers
> 	Re: Announcers- Antoine Walker
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:32:07 +1000
> From: giants <giants@magnafield.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Announcers
> 
> Dorine Pratt wrote:
> > 
> > I like Gorman.  Keep in mind that his role is not "color man" or
> > > > commentator, but play-by-play.  He tries to get to issues, I
believe,
> > > > although he is probably too diplomatic about it.  I've heard him
try to pull
> > > > comments out of Heinson, but Heinson just "rah-rahs" about the
Celtics,
> > > > instead of being truthful about their poor play.
> > > >
> > Any comments?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I would have to say the Chicago Bulls announcers, although its easy
to
> > > be good at that when you've got such a good team.
> > >
> > > Warwick
> > 
> > Their announcers are okay, but their Public Address Announcer ought to
> > be gagged.
> > I like our announcers just fine, thank you.  Heinsohn sometimes gets on
> > our nerves, but he and Cooz are CELTICS!  Also, I believe Mike Gorman
to
> > be a fine announcer, and he's also quite honest about the Celtics when
> > you listen to him in discussions with the other announcers on
> > Sportschannel in the pregame shows, etc.  I hope they never replace
him.
> > Dorine
> 
> I was not bagging the CELTICS announcers, I also think they are just
> fine, but the Bulls ones are good. Whats wrong with the Bulls PA
> Announcer??? He has the most famous call in the World of basketball. 
> 
> Warwick
> 
> - -- 
> MZ
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:05:24 +0900
> From: lamphier@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Marc Lamphier)
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #259
> 
> >Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 10:47:07 +0000 (DST)
> >From: "J. Mark Estepp" <esteppjm@conrad.appstate.edu>
> >Subject: [none]
> >
> 
> 
> >
> >It might be an interesting discussion during this slow period....  What
team
> >has the best announcers?
> >
> >Any comments?
> 
> Chuck Hearn of the Lakers is excellent. He knows the players, he has been
> around for a long time and is knowledgable about basketball, he is
> even-handed and mentions his own team's defects as well as their
strenghts
> and he is gracious towards the rival teams. However he is almost a little
> too low-key at times; funny that he would end up announcing for the
> showtime Lakers. 
> 
> He and Johnny Most must have made quite a contrast!
> 
> 
> - -Marc 
> 
> p.s. a group of NBA all-stars is appearing here in Tokyo next week:
Charles
> Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Shaquille O'Neal, Dikembe Mutombo, Alonzo
Mourning,
> and about 10 others are going to play an NBA "all-star" game. Tickets
start
> at about $80 and go up to about $300 for courtside seats. I tempted, but
> somehow can't seem to work up that much enthusiasm for an exhibition
game.
> Seems more like going to see a bunch of rock stars rather than a
basketball
> game. 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:41:27 -0400 (EDT)
> From: JOzersky@aol.com
> Subject: announcers
> 
> Bostonian Steve used to say that Tommy considered all the players his
long
> lost sons, but so did Johnny Most.  This is the celtics, after all, and
Tommy
> was usually right about the strengths of the players, even though he
> overlooked their weaknesses.  Chicago has great announcers/commentator's
in
> Norm Van Lier and Red Kerr, and New York has my all time favorite in Walt
> Frazier, "Ewing is omnipotent and omniscient in the post" "Wilkins
spinning
> and winning."  Nationally, I hate to hear Hubie Brown's voice, but he
knows
> more than anybody else about the game.  Walton is a pain in the ass. 
Steve
> Jones hates the celtics....I don't know who the best is.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:11:30 -0400
> From: Donald_A_Liles@mail.bankone.com (Donald A Liles)
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #259
> 
> Which Bulls announcers would qualify as the best? Surely, you do not mean
Red 
> Kerr and Tom Doer, they are such homers it is ridiculous. I am not saying
that 
> they are not decent, but not a shred of objectivity. And with regards to
their 
> general abilities as broadcasters, I would classify them as right "up"
there 
> with Bill Walton. On radio, you might have something or at least half of 
> something. Neil Funk who does the Bulls play by play is indeed very very
good. 
> However, his rotating radio sidekick generally is pathetic. Whomever was
doing 
> last couple of years with him (Derek something?) was miserable with
mostly one 
> syllable statements and responses. 
> 
> Perhaps we should split the question into two parts: best radio and tv.
> 
> The Pacers radio commentators in my opinion, paint a good picture.
> What do others think?
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> 
> 
> I would have to say the Chicago Bulls announcers, although its easy to 
> be good at that when you've got such a good team.
> 
> Warwick
> 
> - - -- 
> MZ_
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:43:11 -0400
> From: jmc@ptc.com (Jonathan McIntyre)
> Subject: Re: Announcers
> 
> > > >>I don't know about everyone else, but I think Cousey and Heinson
are
> > > terrible commentators. Heinson is not that bad, but he always
> > > exaggerate. Cousey doesn't sound too exciting. I think the worst one
is
> > > Mike Gorman, he say some of the most non-creative, generic
things...>>
>  
> > I pretty much agree.  Although I like Cousy better than Heinson because
he
> > is more honest in his comments.  If the C's stink, he pretty much says
so.
> > Heinson's support of Day always drove me nuts.
> > 
> > I like Gorman.  Keep in mind that his role is not "color man" or
> > commentator, but play-by-play.  He tries to get to issues, I believe,
> > although he is probably too diplomatic about it.  I've heard him try to
pull
> > comments out of Heinson, but Heinson just "rah-rahs" about the Celtics,
> > instead of being truthful about their poor play.
>  
> I agree that Heinson (Heinsohn?) is way too one-sided.  He's always
harping 
> on the officials for missing calls that go against the Celtics.  Often
> times he's clearly wrong on the replay, but he still won't admit to
> it.  In addition to supporting Day too much, he was a major advocate of
> Acie Earl, saying he was going to make a great NBA center, when clearly
> Acie didn't have it.
> 
> Cousy's honesty is refreshing in the world of sports announcers.  He
doesn't 
> sugar-coat his commentary, he tells it like he sees it, and he has the
ability 
> to discern the good from the bad.  Sure, his voice is funny, and his
> tone of voice is not exciting most of the time, but he hasn't had much
> to get excited about lately.  When the C's did have brief flashes of
> quality, fundamentally sound, exciting basketball last year, Cousy
> *would* raise his voice and sound excited, making the impact even
> greater since it wasn't the norm.  Cousy was the greatest point gaurd
> of his time and has an understanding of the game that far exceeds most
> NBA players or even coaches today.  I don't think he'd make that great
> of a coach because he doesn't have the charisma or intensity to
> motivate players, but I'd bet he'd be valuable as an assistant coach,
> although he probably finds announcing more relaxing.  I hope Cousy
> keeps announcing as the Celtics get better so we can hear him raise his
> voice in praise some more.
> 
> I like Mike.  Gorman is like a friendly buddy coming over to watch the
game 
> with you.  He's clearly a fan and not a basketball insider, but he knows 
> enough to do intelligent play-by-play and is not too biased in his
coverage, 
> giving credit to the other team's players when it's due. 
> 
> Jon McIntyre
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:10:01 -0500
> From: Adam Litchy <allitchy@cland.net>
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #259
> 
> Got to agree with you Donald.  The bulls anouncers are pathetic.  I
> think that the old guy is senile. and the other uses such pathetic
> descriptions it makes me sick.  I actually heard him say "Niffty Buggy
> Whip Dunk."  Niffty?  Pulease...  These guys are a pain.
> 
> Adam Litchy
> 
> Donald A Liles wrote:
> 
> > Which Bulls announcers would qualify as the best? Surely, you do not
> > mean Red
> > Kerr and Tom Doer, they are such homers it is ridiculous. I am not
> > saying that
> > they are not decent, but not a shred of objectivity. And with regards
> > to their
> > general abilities as broadcasters, I would classify them as right "up"
> > there
> > with Bill Walton. On radio, you might have something or at least half
> > of
> > something. Neil Funk who does the Bulls play by play is indeed very
> > very good.
> > However, his rotating radio sidekick generally is pathetic. Whomever
> > was doing
> > last couple of years with him (Derek something?) was miserable with
> > mostly one
> > syllable statements and responses.
> >
> > Perhaps we should split the question into two parts: best radio and
> > tv.
> >
> > The Pacers radio commentators in my opinion, paint a good picture.
> > What do others think?
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
> > _________________________________
> >
> > I would have to say the Chicago Bulls announcers, although its easy to
> >
> > be good at that when you've got such a good team.
> >
> > Warwick
> >
> > - --
> > MZ_
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:39:22 -0400
> From: "Jan Crocker" <jan@netgworld.com>
> Subject: Billups article
> 
> Things are slow so here is a little article I pulled off the Denver Post
> Site on Chaucey Billups. Seems like a nice guy, hope he can play.
> 
> JC
> 
> 
> 
> These kids are just wild about Billups 
> 
>                   By Tom Kensler
>                   Denver Post Sports Writer 
> 
>                   Aug. 6 - WESTMINSTER - Those wide eyes of 7-year-old 
> 
> Kirstin Mayoral grew almost as big as green basketballs when she spotted 
> Chauncey Billups walking into the gym. "It was pretty neat to see him
dunk,'' 
> she said with a giggle. 
> 
> Green basketballs? 
> 
> Hey, Billups is now a Boston Celtic and it's his camp. 
> Six weeks after he was taken third overall in the NBA draft, Billups said
> his head is still spinning. But reality can sink in rather quickly when
the 
> questions come from a tough crowd. 
> 
> "What's your favorite team? I like the Lakers,'' a youngster said after 
> raising his hand. 
> Billups smiled. "You know what, when I grew up I hated the Celtics,'' he 
> said."I was a big Lakers fan, too. But you need to get rid of those Laker

> shorts you're wearing and get some green shorts and become a Celtics fan 
> now.'' Billups delighted more about 150 kids, grades 1-12, as the
inaugural
>                   
> Chauncey Billups Basketball Camp began Tuesday morning with sessions at
> Eaglecrest High School in Aurora and Mandalay Middle School in
Westminster. 
> Billups spent about 1" hours at each session and worked up a serious
sweat
> while demonstrating some drills that basketball players of any level can
and
> should practice on their own. Two dribbles left and shoot. Two dribbles
right
> and shoot. A cross-over dribble and pull-up jumper. Then, of course,
Billups
> had to treat his mesmerized audience to a couple of dunks. 
> 
> "To see awesome skills like that, you can't imitate those skills but it's
fun 
> to try,'' said Joe Mousseau, 15, of Boulder. 
> 
> "I thought I'd better pay attention since he's a pro,'' added Adam
Thoutt, 
> 12, of Westminster. 
> 
> Billups, a prep legend at Denver's George Washington High School, elected
> to forgo his final two years of eligibility at the University of Colorado
> and fulfill his dream of playing in the NBA. Billups said he expects to
sign
> a contract by the time a Celtics minicamp begins Aug. 18. Under the
league's 
> bargaining agreement, as the No. 3 pick Billups is guaranteed a
three-year 
> deal worth at least $6.86 million. Teams can go up from there by as much
as 
> 20 percent. 
> 
> Billups is sharing a Boston apartment with a cousin, Jermaine Carter,
> "because we grew up together and he'll be able to help me and be there
for
> me and be my right-hand man.'' But, Billups said, Denver will continue to
be
> his home. He intends to build a house in Denver and become one of the
city's
> biggest fans of CU and the Broncos. And he plans to return each summer
and
> put on a basketball camp. 
> 
> "I'd really like to have some influence on these kids,'' Billups said. "I

> hope they look up to me. I grew up in northeast Denver, in probably the
worst 
> end of town, and if I can make it, anybody can make it. I just want to
let 
> the kids know that. 
> 
>                   
> "I've seen it all. From gangs to killings, I've seen it. As long as these
> kids focus on something it will help. Maybe it's not basketball, but I
want
> to give kids something to keep them busy and off the streets.'' 
> Billups recalled when, as a sixth-grader, he attended a basketball camp
> conducted by the Nuggets at the University of Denver. "They had some
> coaches there and you listened, but everybody really got excited when
Sean
> Elliott came in,'' he said. 
> 
> "It's different when it's somebody everybody talks about, somebody you've
> seen play on TV. You want to hear what he has to say. Then when you see
> them play you feel like you're part of them. 
> 
>                   
> "That's the good thing about doing something like this - a lot of kids
look
> up to you. You become a role model for kids growing up.'' 
> Among the coaches at Tuesday's session here were two of Billups' former
> George Washington High School teammates, Derek Washington (Wyoming)
> and Billy Hessel (Adams State), and two incoming CU recruits: guards
> Dwight Jones from Dodge City (Kan.) Community College and Kenny Price
> from Westark Community College in Fort Smith, Ark. 
> 
> "When these kids see Chauncey, their eyes light up,'' Price said. "They
love
> him. All these kids can look up to him because he's from around here.'' 
> 
> Billups already has participated in one Celtics rookie camp. He said
Boston
> coach Rick Pitino reminds him of CU coach Ricardo Patton in that they are
> both guard-oriented, they are demanding in practice, they love to
pressure
> on defense and they allow the freedom to freelance on offense. 
> 
> "To think that I went in the top three of the draft is still amazing to
me,'' 
> Billups said. "I think that says a lot about the decision I made to go to
CU. 
> A lot of people said four years wouldn't even be long enough for me to go
in 
> the first round. It says a lot about going to a place where you're a
> priority, a place where they care about you, a place you take a lot of
pride
> in. People see what that did for me and hopefully that will spin off.'' 
> 
> Most of these campers are a long way from worrying about college. Just
> seeing a local hero in person is enough."What I really like about him
coming
> out here is that it shows he cares, even though he's a pro,'' said
Tiffany
> Campbell, 13, of Broomfield.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:04:05 -0400
> From: Jim Hill <jahill@leasingservice.com>
> Subject: Commentators...
> 
> >>I don't know about everyone else, but I think Cousey and Heinson are
> terrible commentators. Heinson is not that bad, but he always
> exaggerate. Cousey doesn't sound too exciting. I think the worst one is
> Mike Gorman, he say some of the most non-creative, generic things...>>
> 
> I totally disagree.  I think Gorman is the best around.  As much as I 
> enjoy Cooz' and Heinson (though I agree with the Todd Day comment in 
> another post..)  I think Gorman's basketball knowledge is outstanding.
> 
> Anyone else?
> 
> - -- 
> ********************************************************************
> James A. Hill, President  
> MAILTO:jahill@leasingservice.com    http://www.leasingservice.com
> Private Label Leasing, Inc.    V-800/451-6567    F-508/453-7679
> Developers and implementors of "Private Label" leasing programs for 
> Manufacturers and Distributors of equipment and/or software.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:52:27 -0600 (CST)
> From: Sashi Kumar <kumarsas@duke.usask.ca>
> Subject: Fox
> 
> CNNSI's Phil Taylor is saying that Fox is hot commodity in
> the remaining free agent market, with interest from a lot
> of teams like Lakers, Sonics, Pacers etc.
> 
> But the interesting note is that the article says that Celtics
> are still interested; but Fox has to sit out 56 days of the
> season to go back to Celts!!
> 
> What is the scoop here ? could Fox be signed and traded to Celts
> after the season starts ? Also note that all the interested teams
> are prepared tp pay Fox only the $1 million exception; at least as
> per the report.
> 
> And finally why does Pitino want Fox back now, since Walker and
> Williams and even Mercer and Minor and "sleeper' Bruce are on board ?
> 
> Interesting to say the least !!!!			Sashi.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:54:31 -0400
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Subject: Predictions
> 
> As we look at personnel and make predictions about next year and what
> will transpire, I have let my mind drift back to last year.  Many on the
> list were upset thinking that LA was going to win because they had
> obtained Shaq.  I believe it is very difficult to predict team
> chemistry.  In response to TJ's question, I think I predicted 30 wins.
> But there is no way that we can predict how well this team is going to
> play together.  I am sure that fundamentally, they will play much
> better.  But they could end up being a decent team and making a decent
> run at the playoffs if they gell.  On the other hand, they may really
> stink.
> 
> On Shaq, Iverson and others of great talent, I would like to point out
> that basketball is a team game.  One player can not carry a team unless
> he plays a complete game.  Shaq does not, and Iverson does not.  Jordan
> does.  Unless Shaq ends up playing with Jordan, he may never win a
> championship, unless he learns to play all facets of the game.
> 
> Players who hang together and play for the team, who are unselfish and
> who know their roles win championships.
> 
> So the question is, do the players we have do this, or not?  Pressure
> will tell.
> 
> 
> 
> - --
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Bentz
> bocelts@scsn.net
> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:36:53 -0400
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Subject: Announcers
> 
> I remember the Boston v. Houston series when Heinhson was still with
> CBS.  He pointed out early in the game that DJ could take the ball from
> Robert Reid, and that DJ was taking him to a spot on the floor that was
> dead and would do it there.  He described how DJ was the master of
> sizing up this type of situation and would make his move at a crucial
> time.
> 
> Then, I believe it was in the 4th quarter, Heinshon actually made the
> call, when Houston strarted up the court he said that he thought that DJ
> would go for the steal this time.  And DJ did, and he stole the ball and
> he iced the game.
> 
> Tom has never been "polished" but a lot of polished guys talk and say
> nothing.  I always appreciated Tom's insight into the players and the
> game and thought he added to the show.  I can't speak for what he does
> on TV.
> 
> Maybe they just ought to promote "Coach", I wish I could remember his
> name, but he might be good.
> 
> 
> - --
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Bentz
> bocelts@scsn.net
> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:14:28 -0400 (EDT)
> From: DJessen33@aol.com
> Subject: re:Announcers
> 
> Kevin Cadbrillo(sp) is the best play-by-play announcer I have ever heard.
He
> does the Sonics TV and radio. He comes from the old school where the
> play-by-play guys have to recreate the action by words like the old radio
> guys like John Most and Chick Hearn. Marquis Johnson is his color guy and
> they fit well together. The greatest part was when Kemp would be taking
it
> the rack and Cadrillo would put together all these different phrases to
> describe the dunk. Cadrillo would really get excited about the play and
carry
> on  and it would make it exciting for you.
> The guys on NBC are extremely boring, Marv Albert included. Tommy
Heinsoln
> was much better when he was on network. He is much better when he is
tempered
> by Cousy. Tommy is definitely guilty of bragging up the Celtic players
which
> causes him to lose his credibility. 
> The network guys are plain just too much vanilla.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 13:47:08 +1000
> From: giants <giants@magnafield.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Announcers- Antoine Walker
> 
> Dorine Pratt wrote:
> > 
> > > >
> > > > Their announcers are okay, but their Public Address Announcer ought
to
> > > > be gagged.
> > 
> > I was not bagging the CELTICS announcers, I also think they are just
> > > fine, but the Bulls ones are good. Whats wrong with the Bulls PA
> > > Announcer??? He has the most famous call in the World of basketball.
> > >
> > > Warwick
> > >
> > All those drawn out calls, the exageration, etc.  Bet if the Celtics'
PA
> > announcers did that, nobody would like it.  I just don't like that sort
> > of thing.  The one in Orlando is even worse.  He is really obnoxious.
> > Dorine
> 
> AT POWER FORWARD, From KENTUCKY, 6-8, ANTOINNNNNNNNNE WALLLLLLLLLKKKKER
> 
> I like the sound of that!! :D
> 
> - -- 
> MZ
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #260
> *****************************************************
> 
> To unsubscribe to The Boston Celtics Digest, send mail to
majordomo@igtc.com
> with the following in the body of the message:
> 
> unsubscribe celtics-digest
> 
> A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
> subscribe to that instead of the digest, send the mail to
majordomo@igtc.com
> with the follwing lines in the body of the message:
> 
> unsubscribe celtics-digest
> subscribe celtics
> 
> Archives are available in two formats:
>     Hypermail at http://www.igtc.com/archives/celtics/
>     Anonymous FTP at ftp://ftp.igtc.com/pub/pmm/celtics
How do I get off this list? I've tried everything!